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[enayasoul]

CrutchCricket wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...
 James and Kasumi will be dating (I SHIP IT!).

No.

I thought that was James and Ashley?  

Good thing Kasumi stayed away from that cheating Jacob.   I actually shipped them two together. OH well! 

Shepard really is a better man that Jacob? Or is he?    That is unless you had Shep sleep with every female on board the Normandy in all three games.

[LanceSolous13]

Why is it that bad of shipping? I think they'd be great together. Kasumi likes guys with nice bodies, she enjoys humor, and James has a heart of gold. I'm also not the only one to have this shipping as I've found fan art of the shipping as well as an RP Group with Kasumi and Vega together.

This shipping mostly comes out of the fact that Kasumi still isn't over Keiji no matter what you do so I wanted to pair her off with SOMEONE.





Also, so much better of a pairing than Kasumi and Jacob. Oh god. I had joked with myself during ME2 that the Kasumi Jacob thing happens if you don't romance him. Now......Oh god. Kasumi! That could have been you! OH GODS!

[CrutchCricket]

dtrain24 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...
Well....You don't have to ship it...I ship. I ship it good.

Well I suppose I can't stop you... but I do suddenly have an urge to have Commander introduce ol' Jim to some dragon teeth...

Or I hear the fallout on Vrmire's particularly nice this time of year:devil:

Not to mention the debris around the remains of the Collectors base are a nice tourist spot.

Sure thing. I'll just recalibrate the Omega 4 Relay to get him a lot closer to the action. And by "action" I mean the core.

Oh and no Reaper IFF is needed.

Speaking of the Collectors though, I wonder if I can still dig up data on that plague they were cooking up. It was based on genetic markers right? Just need to tweak it a bit:whistle:

[fiendishchicken]

dtrain24 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Interestingly enough what frustrates me more is that Shepard appears to be capable of violent mood shifts in ME3.

It's either REALLY positive or REALLY negative.

No neutral options.

Yeah. ME1 was great with this. Shepard never spoke without your concent.

ME2, he talks a bit without your consideration but it never became painfully obvious like in ME3. : /

This.

Anybody read that thread by the one douche who thinks auto-dialogue makes the game better?

[CrutchCricket]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Why is it that bad of shipping? I think they'd be great together. Kasumi likes guys with nice bodies, she enjoys humor, and James has a heart of gold. I'm also not the only one to have this shipping as I've found fan art of the shipping as well as an RP Group with Kasumi and Vega together.

This shipping mostly comes out of the fact that Kasumi still isn't over Keiji no matter what you do so I wanted to pair her off with SOMEONE.





Also, so much better of a pairing than Kasumi and Jacob. Oh god. I had joked with myself during ME2 that the Kasumi Jacob thing happens if you don't romance him. Now......Oh god. Kasumi! That could have been you! OH GODS!

I have nothing against Vega himself. But I do not approve of this ship and I don't see it working at all. I don't think Kasumi goes for just beef. The Jacob thing was a crush, a coping mechanism (though I'm this close to purposefully killing him in the SM for that ME3 comment).
Point is, she's not just going to fall for the next meathead she sees. There is no character currently in existence that I see as a good pair for her. Doesn't mean she'll be alone forever.

But if you want to talk more about this we really should move it to the Kasumi thread.

As a final word though, just to show there's no hard feelings: I'd be ok with Vega and Kelly.

[LanceSolous13]

fiendishchicken wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Interestingly enough what frustrates me more is that Shepard appears to be capable of violent mood shifts in ME3.

It's either REALLY positive or REALLY negative.

No neutral options.

Yeah. ME1 was great with this. Shepard never spoke without your concent.

ME2, he talks a bit without your consideration but it never became painfully obvious like in ME3. : /

This.

Anybody read that thread by the one douche who thinks auto-dialogue makes the game better?

 Aw hell naw.

[LanceSolous13]

CrutchCricket wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Why is it that bad of shipping? I think they'd be great together. Kasumi likes guys with nice bodies, she enjoys humor, and James has a heart of gold. I'm also not the only one to have this shipping as I've found fan art of the shipping as well as an RP Group with Kasumi and Vega together.

This shipping mostly comes out of the fact that Kasumi still isn't over Keiji no matter what you do so I wanted to pair her off with SOMEONE.





Also, so much better of a pairing than Kasumi and Jacob. Oh god. I had joked with myself during ME2 that the Kasumi Jacob thing happens if you don't romance him. Now......Oh god. Kasumi! That could have been you! OH GODS!

I have nothing against Vega himself. But I do not approve of this ship and I don't see it working at all. I don't think Kasumi goes for just beef. The Jacob thing was a crush, a coping mechanism (though I'm this close to purposefully killing him in the SM for that ME3 comment).
Point is, she's not just going to fall for the next meathead she sees. There is no character currently in existence that I see as a good pair for her. Doesn't mean she'll be alone forever.

But if you want to talk more about this we really should move it to the Kasumi thread.

As a final word though, just to show there's no hard feelings: I'd be ok with Vega and Kelly.

By the way, What happened to her between games. She looks....XD

[CrutchCricket]

LanceSolous13 wrote...
By the way, What happened to her between games. She looks....XD

Way different even before you tell her to change her identity? No kidding.

I may be remembering wrong but I think she looks more like herself after the new identity.

I like Kelly though. I see her as genuinely sweet. I think she's a good match for Vega. Both are good looking but ordinary compared to everyone else.

That may be a clearer reason why I don't see Kasumi and Vega. She's exotic, he's... plain.

Funny enough before ME3 I thought Jacob and Kelly might work too. lol Jacob...

But enough of that. Miranda!

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 21 juillet 2012 - 05:30 .

[LanceSolous13]

Kelly looked perfect in ME2. The orange hair with the lighter streaks worked perfect for her. But...Ugh. She looks so different in ME3. And...Why is she wearing that? Persioanly, I never liked that bonus outfit for Shepard. But, Why is she wearing that?

Anyways, back to Miranda.

As I was saying, Where do you think they'd get married?

[Vertigo_1]

LanceSolous13 wrote...
By the way, What happened to her between games. She looks....XD

Kelly?
Yeah she looks different before the ID change.  Even her VA sounds different, though it's the same as in ME2.

[fiendishchicken]

enayasoul wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't even know if my Shepard wants to talk to the Normandy Crew once they get back to Earth.

He just needs to go away...

Anyone else feel the same way?

Yes, I think my Shepard would feel like that.  He'd probably suffer from some sort of PTSD but he'd work through it... I can also see Shepard just wanting it to all go away and leave him the **** alone.   He did his job... He needs a nice refreshing vacation with Miranda..

My Shepard is kind of like Captain Kirk in the regard that he was meant to explore the galaxy as a starship captain. It's his true passion in life. Sure, he'll want to stay out of the public eye, and for all intents and purposes, he's done with the alliance and the council. He'll keep his Spectre status for the reason of staying in charge of the Normandy as he continues his journeys as the Commander of the Normandy forever. And Miranda wouldn't want to be anywhere else either. For me, my headcanon has the series ending exactly the way it started:


A view of Earth through a window.

NEW COUNCILLOR (V.O.)
I have to admit, I’m a little nervous -- Shepard? After all that’s happened to him, do you think he’s still the right man to protect the galaxy? 

INT. NORMANDY, CIC
Shepard is walking past crew members on his way to the cockpit. They nod as he passes by and one hands him a datapad with a status report.
He nods and walks up to Miranda, his XO, and wraps his arm around her waist pulling her close for 
a brief kiss. He then gives the order to set course.
Joker is at the controls with him and EDI bickering playfully with each other.

HACKETT (V.O.)
Space is a harsh mistress. We can survive out here, but only if we help each other. No one understands that better than him. He's more than a hero or a symbol. He's a guardian, the man we can depend on to always be on 
watch. And when the galaxy is once more in danger, and our alliances have fallen and treaties failed, he'll be there once more to fight for the galaxy when it needs him.


NEW COUNCILLOR (V.O.)
Then the galaxy is in safe hands?

EXT. SPACE
The Normandy takes off across the Solar System, towards a Mass Relay.

HACKETT (V.O.)
Since the day Commander Shepard stepped onto the Normandy...

The Relay charges.

HACKETT (V.O.) (CONT’D)
...it always has.

The Normandy blasts off into the dark unknown.

play the End (reprise) from ME1 Soundtrack during the speach

Das Malefitz by Faunts as the credits roll

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 21 juillet 2012 - 05:51 .

[CrutchCricket]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Kelly looked perfect in ME2. The orange hair with the lighter streaks worked perfect for her. But...Ugh. She looks so different in ME3. And...Why is she wearing that? Persioanly, I never liked that bonus outfit for Shepard. But, Why is she wearing that?

To fit in with the refugee camp thing they had going on? But yeah that outfit never seemed to belong in ME. I mean you go to some pretty shady places throughout the trilogy and no one really dresses like that.

Anyways, back to Miranda.

As I was saying, Where do you think they'd get married?

Well I think I've posted this before but I imaged a fairly sizable wedding on Earth or maybe Eden Prime, everyone we know there, having a good time. And then during the reception, Shep and Miranda pull a Bilbo and disappear and are never seen again. I initially had them fake their death via tragic accident but that's a bit too morbid I think.

But anyway they disappear and though they may still act through indirect means, no one knows what happened to them.

Of course this was way before ME3. As things stand I don't see a wedding in the cards, even in destroy.

[LanceSolous13]

Out of curiosity, Why?

[enayasoul]

fiendishchicken wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't even know if my Shepard wants to talk to the Normandy Crew once they get back to Earth.

He just needs to go away...

Anyone else feel the same way?

Yes, I think my Shepard would feel like that.  He'd probably suffer from some sort of PTSD but he'd work through it... I can also see Shepard just wanting it to all go away and leave him the **** alone.   He did his job... He needs a nice refreshing vacation with Miranda..

My Shepard is kind of like Captain Kirk in the regard that he was meant to explore the galaxy as a starship captain. It's his true passion in life. Sure, he'll want to stay out of the public eye, and for all intents and purposes, he's done with the alliance and the council. He'll keep his Spectre status for the reason of staying in charge of the Normandy as he continues his journeys as the Commander of the Normandy forever. And Miranda wouldn't want to be anywhere else either. For me, my headcanon has the series ending exactly the way it started:


A view of Earth through a window.

NEW COUNCILLOR (V.O.)
I have to admit, I’m a little nervous -- Shepard? After all that’s happened to him, do you think he’s still the right man to protect the galaxy? 

INT. NORMANDY, CIC
Shepard is walking past crew members on his way to the cockpit. They nod as he passes by and one hands him a datapad with a status report.
He nods and walks up to Miranda, his XO, and wraps his arm around her waist pulling her close for 
a brief kiss. He then gives the order to set course.
Joker is at the controls with him and EDI bickering playfully with each other.

HACKETT (V.O.)
Space is a harsh mistress. We can survive out here, but only if we help each other. No one understands that better than him. He's more than a hero or a symbol. He's a guardian, the man we can depend on to always be on 
watch. And when the galaxy is once more in danger, and our alliances have fallen and treaties failed, he'll be there once more to fight for the galaxy when it needs him.


NEW COUNCILLOR (V.O.)
Then the galaxy is in safe hands?

EXT. SPACE
The Normandy takes off across the Solar System, towards a Mass Relay.

HACKETT (V.O.)
Since the day Commander Shepard stepped onto the Normandy...

The Relay charges.

HACKETT (V.O.) (CONT’D)
...it always has.

The Normandy blasts off into the dark unknown.

play the End (reprise) from ME1 Soundtrack during the speach

Das Malefitz by Faunts as the credits roll

I can get behind this idea. Nice!   Shepard has come full circle and reminder of ME1... It also ends on a happier note and who knows what the future would hold.  I like.

Modifié par enayasoul, 21 juillet 2012 - 06:10 .

[CrutchCricket]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Out of curiosity, Why?

Well before ME3 came out I already was hard at work developing my headcanon for after. And it involved a lot of things staying the same. In fact it was so set on status quo you could say it ignored the Reaper war completely.

I now realize that was pretty naive.

I mean regardless of how unpredictable the endings could've been something on the scale of the Reapers invading necessarily means great change. And I played through ME3 going through the major arcs of the species I soon realized that if even if we won, it wouldn't just be happiness and chocolates with everyone dancing with small furry animals.

Even leaving aside the devastation wrought by the Reapers, I am now convinced an age of strife between the races is just around the corner. Think about it, no species comes out of this war clean. Everyone has something to answer for.
Asari hording tech
Salarians for genophage and experimenting with uplifting yahg
Turians for the genophage
Krogan will be feared to start new rebellions (and who knows how long Wrex can keep them in check and God help you if you have Wreav instead)
Geth for the Reapers and general antagonism.
Quarians for the Geth including the pointless war with them while the Reapers were invading. Not to mention that if you secured peace they are now the biggest superpower in teh galaxy with the most intact homeworld. They will be feared.
Batarians and minor races will pretty much hate everyone that didn't get wiped out/**** on them respectively.
And last but not least, lovable little humans who allowed Cerberus to nearly hand over this cycle on a silver platter and possibly for Shepard's last actions themselves in teh case of synthesis or control if the truth is found out.

Add to all this that most species individual governements and infrastructure got wiped out (along with a sizeable chunk of their populations) and yeah, you've got a huge vacuum of pissd off, exhausted people who are going to start blaming each other pretty damn soon.

So no, against this backdrop I don't see Shepard and Miranda (even if they come out the other side shining and dirt free) just trying the knot and buggering off somewhere. The war's over but the cleanup ain't gonna be pretty.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 21 juillet 2012 - 06:14 .

[LanceSolous13]

Oh god. That just made me start thinking. If Miranda was on the Normandy for ME3, I think that could cause huge tension between the two. I think They would disagree on everything. Sabatage the Genophage and get Salarian support? Miranda would probably argue with Shepard that they could cure the Genophage later and get both Salarien and Krogan Support now.

....The potential of this is....astounding. Why this was never thought of during game development is rather suprising now that I think about it.

[Vertigo_1]

LanceSolous13 wrote...
....The potential of this is....astounding. Why this was never thought of during game development is rather suprising now that I think about it.

I remember reading something from Mac Walters in an xbox magazine (jeff you might remember this as I think you posted the interview on BSN) where they said they spent about 3 months early in dev figuring out what to do with the ME2 squad in ME3.  I assume at that point they had already decided they wouldn't be in the squad to begin with =\\

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 21 juillet 2012 - 06:46 .

[LanceSolous13]

Actually, That isn't entirely correct. After reading and anaylsing the art book a million times over, It seems very much like Jack was going to be a squaddie as well. They out right state that they didn't know her role until very late in the game development. She's the only character from ME2 that got a complete redesign.

[Ieldra]

LanceSolous13 wrote...
Anyways, back to Miranda.

As I was saying, Where do you think they'd get married?

Easy. Not at all.

Edit:
Having just read CrutchCricket's Bilbo scenario, *that* would be a very nice alternative. I like it!

Edit2:
fiendishchicken, your scenario also works very nicely.

Great headcanon ideas on this page. Hmm, I realize I haven't thought about a post-Destroy headcanon for the Shepard I'm currently playing.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 juillet 2012 - 08:05 .

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
I think there are good reasons why Miranda might pick Control. I am not prepared to say she would for certain but I do deny she'd rule it out.

Miranda would rule neither option out, but what's your reasoning? I can see her supporting the other two options, but I have hard time seeing her argue for Control.

@Taboo:
It's not genetic tailoring Miranda has a problem with. Miranda appreciates her genetic gifts professionally, and after ME2 she's made her peace with them existentially as well. It's the "controlling another's life" aspect she doesn't like. Her description of her childhood makes that totally clear.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 juillet 2012 - 08:48 .

[wright1978]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't even know if my Shepard wants to talk to the Normandy Crew once they get back to Earth.

He just needs to go away...

Anyone else feel the same way?

Nah mine will be ectastic once they limp into port and he hears they aren't dead as feared.
Catching up with them will have to be done on the run as he will be busy pulling together the resources for the relay fixing project and co-ordinating with the project lead(miranda)

[Ieldra]

Damn it. I want Miranda to be with Shepard when he wakes up from the last dream. Not for the first time, I wonder what got into the ME3 writers to waste the opportunity to put Miranda on the Normandy after Sanctuary, at least temporarily. It couldn't have been that hard.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Taboo:
It's not genetic tailoring Miranda has a problem with. Miranda appreciates her genetic gifts professionally, and after ME2 she's made her peace with them existentially as well. It's the "controlling another's life" aspect she doesn't like.

That's where the enphasis is in 3 as well. Notably in the 3rd dialogue.

[Taboo]

Yes. You're controlling someone elses life by tailoring them genetically.

That's what I meant. They have no control over it.

[Ieldra]

Except that that isn't how it works, Taboo, as Miranda's story shows all too well. In fact, it's the point of Miranda's story that you are your choices rather than only your genes. "Yes, your father gave you gifts, but you can be proud of what you've done with them".

I think that Miranda has learned that.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 juillet 2012 - 03:34 .