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[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...
The idea of Cerberus spamming their symbol everywhere is ludicrous anyway.

Altough this is never explained in the game, their symbol actually belongs to Binary Helix, an honest front corporation that funds Cerberus. I imagine that only after ME3 would that symbol become associated with Cerberus.

Dr. Doctor wrote...
The Phoenix adept and vanguard both have a Cerberus logo that's split down the middle on their armor.

That doesn't mean anything. Kai Leng's armor splits the symbol as well.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Oh god, I'm so nervous hearing Miri in a different Language, I've been playing ME1 for weeks, and I haven't seen Cutscenes with Miri in a LONG Time. Damn you, ME1.

Maybe I'll save it for later. I kinda want to hear her Polish Voiceover. Maybe it's still Yvonne?

I hope Miri is a popular Character in Australia. I should ask PinkFoxx.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 24 juillet 2012 - 04:17 .

[Stalker]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Oh god, I'm so nervous hearing Miri in a different Language, I've been playing ME1 for weeks, and I haven't seen Cutscenes with Miri in a LONG Time. Damn you, ME1.

Maybe I'll save it for later. I kinda want to hear her Polish Voiceover. Maybe it's still Yvonne?

I hope Miri is a popular Character in Australia. I should ask PinkFoxx.

lol no. They would never pay a celebrity for a voice over that only a very small fragment of people will hear.

Here she is. It's not Yvonne.

[Taboo]

The only thing worse than my German is my French.

Do NOT attempt to sing David Bowie's Heroes/Helden to German's while drunk.

I was supposed to sing..

Du
konntest du schiwmenn

I sang:

Du
Konntest du scheisse.

Needless to say I haven't done much multilingual singing. I failed conjugation and everything.

I can't imagine hearing Miranda speaking in German.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 24 juillet 2012 - 05:07 .

[Ieldra]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Luis, you don't want to hear the German voice of Miranda, believe me.

BTW, if you have the CE, can't you switch languages? I can.

I don't it's that bad

Only thing that bothers me is, that her German VA is rather famous and can be heard all over German TV already.

Not that bad? I guess the voice itself is ok, but I don't think I have heard dialogue that stilted for a long time. Not even in a game. That also goes for femShep. BTW, who is it? I don't recognize the voice.

[CrutchCricket]

fiendishchicken wrote...
That definitely works, and Phoenix is definitely a viable reincarnation of Cerberus. But Miranda is a Cerberus loyalist in ME2, it makes sense as to why she would wear it as a badge of achievement. And while Cerberus spamming their insignia everywhere doesn't make much sense for an organization that is supposed to be a shadow group wanted for terrorism by the mainstream galaxy, Corporations and Militaries do it all the time, plus Cerberus is the kind of group with people that have large ego's. Then again, look at the alliance. They stick all their stickers all over the Normandy SR-2 like a jealous child stealing another kid's toy. 

The Alliance isn't a "shadow group wanted for terrorism"^_^

Try again.

Anyway, first rule of the new clandestine organization: No symbols anywhere. Ever. Also, do not talk about the clandestine organization.

[fiendishchicken]

How do you think the relationship between Miranda and Shepard would work with her being smarter than him? I was taking an online intelligence test (for ****s and giggles) and I got into looking at celebrity geniuses (despite the fact she was a straight A student, Yvonne wasn't on the list. Don't drop your hopes, she may be one.), and then started thinking about guys who have girlfriends smarter than them (I have a buddy who's an E-5 from Oklahoma who dropped out of high school, and he's engaged to a Yale grad who's Mensa, and making 6 figures. He's kind of intimidated of her, but he's more of the natural leader kind of guy). I thought it would be interesting if Shepard is kind of trying to be smart or something and Miranda finds it cute when he struggles.

It can be argued that Shepard is possibly a genius himself, but then again not all geniuses are interested in Math, Science, or Arts. But Miranda is clearly far more intelligent than he, and most humans. Shepard is more of the common sense kind of guy, and he's good at grasping higher concepts with a rudimentary but effective understanding.

I have a high IQ, but I'm not a genius, but like my pal, I'm more of the leader kind of person.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 24 juillet 2012 - 05:54 .

[fiendishchicken]

CrutchCricket wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...
That definitely works, and Phoenix is definitely a viable reincarnation of Cerberus. But Miranda is a Cerberus loyalist in ME2, it makes sense as to why she would wear it as a badge of achievement. And while Cerberus spamming their insignia everywhere doesn't make much sense for an organization that is supposed to be a shadow group wanted for terrorism by the mainstream galaxy, Corporations and Militaries do it all the time, plus Cerberus is the kind of group with people that have large ego's. Then again, look at the alliance. They stick all their stickers all over the Normandy SR-2 like a jealous child stealing another kid's toy. 

The Alliance isn't a "shadow group wanted for terrorism"^_^

Try again.

Anyway, first rule of the new clandestine organization: No symbols anywhere. Ever. Also, do not talk about the clandestine organization.

I clearly didn't say that the alliance is a terrorist organization. What I should have clarified is look at the ME3 SR-2. There are alliance emblems all over the place, like the alliance is overly trying to deny the SR-2's previous owners.

[Taboo]

I don't know. Shepard has a tremendous understanding of economics. To the point that I was suprised.

Intelligence is not a knowledge of all things.

For example, if you were to talk to me in real life, you notice that I have an opinion on just about everything, as Ieldra can attest to. I can comprehend a great deal of things without much effort. Music and films are a no brainer, as is philosophy. Language structure is a quick study for me.

But no one is good at everything. No one. In fact, the smarter you get the more problems you have. Although my mother is probably the cause of my OCD, it's rooted directly into complex thought patterns, which is common with people who have OCD.

Shepard is just not smart in the same areas as she is. A ****** would not be put in charge of military operations as large as this. Shepard is very smart, but in certain areas.

[CrutchCricket]

I don't think the difference between their intelligence is relevant enough to have an impact. It's not a genius-moron relation. And as you said there's different areas of intelligence.

[CrutchCricket]

fiendishchicken wrote...
I clearly didn't say that the alliance is a terrorist organization. What I should have clarified is look at the ME3 SR-2. There are alliance emblems all over the place, like the alliance is overly trying to deny the SR-2's previous owners.

Interpretation based on bias. The Alliance sticks their logo on everything but it's not an issue for them because they're not supposed to be a secret. The SR-2 is no exception, one way or another.

[Taboo]

I can do just about anything you want me to. But I wouldn't advise putting me in charge of numbers.

But I can have a ten page essay on European Nihilism in Ieldra's Synthesis thread by tomorrow if you wanted.

[Stalker]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Luis, you don't want to hear the German voice of Miranda, believe me.

BTW, if you have the CE, can't you switch languages? I can.

I don't it's that bad

Only thing that bothers me is, that her German VA is rather famous and can be heard all over German TV already.

Not that bad? I guess the voice itself is ok, but I don't think I have heard dialogue that stilted for a long time. Not even in a game. That also goes for femShep. BTW, who is it? I don't recognize the voice.

The dialogues in ME3 are really a bit stiff... compared to the professionals of the original of course.

It also annoys the hell out of me that German is such a "long" language they have to cut off important dialogue mid-sentence.


Regarding the VA: I don't know her name, but I hear her very often. Most memorable role: 

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't know. Shepard has a tremendous understanding of economics. To the point that I was suprised.

Intelligence is not a knowledge of all things.

For example, if you were to talk to me in real life, you notice that I have an opinion on just about everything, as Ieldra can attest to. I can comprehend a great deal of things without much effort. Music and films are a no brainer, as is philosophy. Language structure is a quick study for me.

But no one is good at everything. No one. In fact, the smarter you get the more problems you have. Although my mother is probably the cause of my OCD, it's rooted directly into complex thought patterns, which is common with people who have OCD.

Shepard is just not smart in the same areas as she is. A ****** would not be put in charge of military operations as large as this. Shepard is very smart, but in certain areas.

We're two of a kind. I'm good at grasping concepts quickly and effectively. Start talking formula's and mathematics (algebra and calculus) and you lose me completely though. Higher Mathematic principles are easy to grasp, but the actual structure and developments of it are really hard for me to get.

Intelligence is more of a capacity to learn and retain and utilize it effectively. I'm a trained classical musician (high school) so I'm good at music interpretation as well, and good at theory. Same with language. Philosophy, to me at least, is kind of pseudo-science. I take a lot of life at face value, and don't bother intrepreting hidden meanings in a lot of things because it's just not practical to me.

An argument could be said for Miranda, but then she's not good at dealing with adversity or things not going according to her plan. Look at the LM, when a complication occurs, she starts to lose it. 

I think Shepard also has a natural, almost legendary charisma and ability to lead. But Miranda has the capacity to excel in almost every field.

As for your dumbasses in the military brass... They're geniuses on paper but they lack common sense. period. These are the same people that think the UCP on the ACU is a good idea.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 24 juillet 2012 - 06:09 .

[fiendishchicken]

CrutchCricket wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...
I clearly didn't say that the alliance is a terrorist organization. What I should have clarified is look at the ME3 SR-2. There are alliance emblems all over the place, like the alliance is overly trying to deny the SR-2's previous owners.

Interpretation based on bias. The Alliance sticks their logo on everything but it's not an issue for them because they're not supposed to be a secret. The SR-2 is no exception, one way or another.

But you have to admit, they really went overboard with the number of logo's on the ship.

[Taboo]

Charisma requires intelligence. At least in the capacity that Shepard has.

Also, for the amount of tactical information that he is capable of, he's no slouch either. You also don't reach the rank of Commander by being a ****** either. He could easily make Captain one day. But my Shepard isn't staying in the military.

I also don't think Miranda is going to be dating Forrest Gump either, so she's got a fair grasp on what he's capable of.

But your Shepard is also as smart as you want him to be.

[CrutchCricket]

fiendishchicken wrote...
But you have to admit, they really went overboard with the number of logo's on the ship.

Again, I didn't notice it as a bigger logo spam than anything else I've seen, Alliance or Cerberus.

Maybe gratuitous logo spam is just "the thing" in the future...

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Charisma requires intelligence. At least in the capacity that Shepard has.

Also, for the amount of tactical information that he is capable of, he's no slouch either. You also don't reach the rank of Commander by being a ****** either. He could easily make Captain one day. But my Shepard isn't staying in the military.

I also don't think Miranda is going to be dating Forrest Gump either, so she's got a fair grasp on what he's capable of.

But your Shepard is also as smart as you want him to be.

Oh no he's no slouch and he's no idiot. He's the kind of guy though where you can have a team of genius scientists make the ultimate problem or whatever, and he'd beat it on the first try. 

I guess what I'm trying to get islikening Shepard and Miranda's relationship kind in this regard to that one family guy episode (I know ****ty show) where Brian dates Lauren Conrad. I'll be the first to admit, I'm kind of intimidated by the thought of dating a woman smarter than me. It comes with my ginormous ego.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 24 juillet 2012 - 06:21 .

[fiendishchicken]

CrutchCricket wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...
But you have to admit, they really went overboard with the number of logo's on the ship.

Again, I didn't notice it as a bigger logo spam than anything else I've seen, Alliance or Cerberus.

Maybe gratuitous logo spam is just "the thing" in the future...

Like lens flare. And the alliance sure likes to makes it's crew go blind in the dim light of their ships. 

[Taboo]

Actually the issue I have is dating women who know what I'm talking about. Ieldra can also attest to this. Not the dating part but the talking.

A girl once propositioned me for sex in High School if I put my hair into Corn Rows.

I couldn't understand it intellectually. I don't regret not doing it by the way.

It would have been a terrible relationship. She thought Theodore Roosevelt invented the light bulb.

[wright1978]

fiendishchicken wrote...

How do you think the relationship between Miranda and Shepard would work with her being smarter than him? I was taking an online intelligence test (for ****s and giggles) and I got into looking at celebrity geniuses (despite the fact she was a straight A student, Yvonne wasn't on the list. Don't drop your hopes, she may be one.), and then started thinking about guys who have girlfriends smarter than them (I have a buddy who's an E-5 from Oklahoma who dropped out of high school, and he's engaged to a Yale grad who's Mensa, and making 6 figures. He's kind of intimidated of her, but he's more of the natural leader kind of guy). I thought it would be interesting if Shepard is kind of trying to be smart or something and Miranda finds it cute when he struggles.

It can be argued that Shepard is possibly a genius himself, but then again not all geniuses are interested in Math, Science, or Arts. But Miranda is clearly far more intelligent than he, and most humans. Shepard is more of the common sense kind of guy, and he's good at grasping higher concepts with a rudimentary but effective understanding.

I have a high IQ, but I'm not a genius, but like my pal, I'm more of the leader kind of person.

My view is Miranda is more gifted academically than my Shep. I don't think he's a genius but he's no slouch. What he has is presence, the thing elevates him and makes people believe in him and follow him. Don't see him being intimidated and don't think the difference in IQ is large enough that it would be any issue in their relationship.

[enayasoul]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Dealing with her father most like.

I'd imagine Kai Leng is long gone by that point and the gunshots + Biotic Explosion explain why Miranda was on the ground.

Yeah, it seems like Miranda was probably throwing her biotic explosion or whatever at Mr. Lawson... Orianna fired the shots that broke the glass, and Miranda got thrown back on to the ground...  but it could have went any various of ways... would have been interesting too see that bioware!  

But I understand the suspense... from Shep not knowing what happened.

[o Ventus]

On the topic of Miranda's intelligence vs. Shepard's intelligence, I see it this way:

Miranda seems to be more of a planner and an information gatherer. She has foreknowledge of the situation at hand and can act appropriately. In terms of any specific fields, it's apparent that Miranda is more scientifically apt than Shepard (biologically, at least).

Shepard is more of a do-er. Given how Shepard acts in-game, he goes into situations with very little foreknowledge, if any at all. I would say that Shepard is more of an outright fighter than Miranda (not saying that Miranda can't fight), but the two balance each other out.

Shepard seems to be more able to adapt (not saying Miranda can't), but Miranda is stronger is preparing herself so that she may not necessarily need to adapt. The two balance similarly each other out.

Of course, I pulled this out of my ass, so take it for what you will.

edit: But my God, Shepard did take a bit of a general IQ dump in ME3. There's no arguing that.

Modifié par o Ventus, 24 juillet 2012 - 08:14 .

[Skullheart]

quote from ME1: "can you mate with your own species?"

[flemm]

wright1978 wrote...
My view is Miranda is more gifted academically than my Shep. I don't think he's a genius but he's no slouch. What he has is presence, the thing elevates him and makes people believe in him and follow him. Don't see him being intimidated and don't think the difference in IQ is large enough that it would be any issue in their relationship.

Well, I would say my Shepard admires Miranda's intelligence but is not intimidated by it. I think for most everyday things there is no noticeable difference, but in a research lab or for certain types of analytical thinking you would start to see a difference.

As for how Shepard comes across in game... Well... Shepard's intelligence is rarely emphasized but I think allowances can be made for the protagonist needing to be a bit of a blank slate in that regard.

Modifié par flemm, 24 juillet 2012 - 08:28 .