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[Jebel Krong]

Arijharn wrote...

I am interested to see how you resolve Overlord, I'm going to assume that Shephard will put him in the care of the Academy just because of the way he's handled himself so far.

As much as I think Dr. Archer is a jerk, I think he does have a point when he says that the project has a strong potential to save a million mothers mourning a million sons, and there's no guarantee that the Geth wont be a threat at a later date too. Still, merely a punch to the face is probably not enough to persuade Dr. Archer to keep on the straight(er) and narrow.

1. even as a renegade i saved him - it would have been just malicious not to.
2. this dlc contravenes everything previously established about the geth and the way they actually work, so i remain unconvinced by cerberus' 'solutions'.

[Arijharn]

I've done both honestly. Funnily enough I feel worse about leaving him in overlord than I do saving the CB. At the end of the day I reason that Overlord is useless if the Geth aren't otherwise hostile, and Cerberus has too small a footprint to try something stupid (nor do I think they'd want to rock the galactic boat too much... but that's just a personal thought).

I would imagine though that Cerberus would bend over backwards to make sure that it doesn't stuff up again, and the best way they can do that is to make sure that David is properly looked after. In a way, David is more valuable than even Shephard, who essentially remains a grunt (who happens to be the walking incarnation of Death, but still just a grunt), which is why I think that they'd want to actually look after it, since Dr. Gavin's efforts proved afterall the validity of the project. If it was Dr. Archer's impetuousness that lead to the disaster in the first place, now that the project has 'proved' itself, I doubt it would be as polarizing.

[Made Nightwing]

Realised why I always felt like getting along with Miranda, even when she acts cold. It's her accent. Yeah, I get it, she's Australian and I'm Australian, but it's something even more coincidental. Yvonne Strahvsoki, Miranda's voice actress, was born and raised in Campelltown, Western Sydney. That's less than fifty kilometres from where I grew up.

Guess that Machievelli was right, we do get along better with people when they have the same accent as us.

[Arijharn]

I'm not sure if she actually has an Australian accent anymore lol

[Ieldra]

Arijharn wrote...
I bet the decision that strongly decides what to do at the end of Overlord is the actual ending of the DLC. I think it was obvious that the intended effect was to shock you into making one of two decisions.

Yeah....as far as I'm concerned that backfired. My reaction was more like "You [Bioware] can't be serious". 

You can't even fault the underlying theory really about Overlord either, since a paragon shephard does nearly the same an even worse thing when he re-writes the geth

Yes, which is why I think Miranda wouldn't be convinced by Overlord to rethink her Cerberus loyalty.

I don't think Miranda nor Shephard should *change*, but I think they should start respecting each other's position. I would have thought (and I told you as much in the PM's I think) that Shephard should probably be a little bit more careful when throwing stones in glass houses at worst, and at best have a bit of a more open minded philosophy since he's undoubtedly been called to commit many assassinations as an Infiltrator.

+1
To say nothing about Arrival, btw..

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 juillet 2011 - 09:21 .

[Sebby]

Ieldra2 wrote...

LuxDragon wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

LuxDragon wrote...
http://www.fanfictio...t/s/5750868/54/

Oh, oh....things are heating up.

You asked if you laid it on too thick. Not exactly, but it would have been better had this happened earlier. I find it hard to imagine how that can be patched up in the time remaining. If Miranda changes her mind too fast, that will be very unconvincing. Also, Shepard comes across as self-righteous here - I think he should concede some of her points and they should meet somewhere in the middle in the end. Otherwise Miranda would be diminished and relegated to the role of a follower. You know what I think about that.

Arguements aren't really rational. Shepard came off as self-righteous to defend his opinion, but Miranda has already dimishished herself as the role of a follower (Cerberus) to defend hers. See what I did there? It's interesting how people say she's so self-confident and independent. And she is... until a point. Can you really imagine her saying 'no' to TIM prior to ME 2 (Oriana notwithstanding)? I don't. Last I checked, that makes her a follower anyway.

You have a point. I guess the point I was trying to make is that if she changes her mind too fast for too little reason, her loyalty would become meaningless. What do you think would make her reconsider that fast? I don't see Overlord doing it. Not on its own. Perhaps add some evidence that Teltin was sanctioned by TIM. I think nothing less will suffice. 

Making up is about concessions. And sometimes more physical pursuits, hopefully easing jtav's problems.(Probably not)

More physical pursuits? If you're thinking about sex, I don't think Miranda's attraction to Shepard should overshadow her value system and her thoughts about Cerberus. That's just cheesy. I ask: what would it say about Miranda if she disregarded the bigger issues (which, I mind remind you, are the Reapers and humanity's place in the galaxy) for her attraction to Shepard?

Don't forget about Overlord. People can change quickly enough if given the metaphorical slap in the face.

The problem is that it's too easy to justify Overlord (see Arijharn's post above). Likely, after meeting Legion, Miranda would agree it is no longer necessary, but I can't see her loyalty to Cerberus being seriously challenged by it.

Legion never guarantees long term peace/cooperation with organics and TIM notes in the mission complete screen if the heretics are rewritten "long term cooperation unlikely". The fact that not even Legion itself knows what the endgame for their dyson sphere is another cause for concern.

[Made Nightwing]

Arijharn wrote...

I'm not sure if she actually has an Australian accent anymore lol

I am slightly confused? You mean Ms. Strahovski? Oh yeah, she does sound a lot more American now days. Adaptive mechanisms of the human mind. Kind of like my sister, she's been in England for two years, and her accent is now tinged with Nottingham drawl whenever she calls home. But it doesn't take long to get the old 'Ow Ya going Mate, all right?' back into gear.

[Arijharn]

Yeah Ms. Strahovski, especially since I don't think they (aka; BioWare) have ever actually come out and confirmed that Miranda is Australian, we just sort of assumed it because of the VO roots. Iirc, they've said in the past that she was originally intended to be Miranda Sunholme (sp?) and be of scandinavian origin, but that changed when Yvonne was cast.

[Made Nightwing]

Arijharn wrote...

Yeah Ms. Strahovski, especially since I don't think they (aka; BioWare) have ever actually come out and confirmed that Miranda is Australian, we just sort of assumed it because of the VO roots. Iirc, they've said in the past that she was originally intended to be Miranda Sunholme (sp?) and be of scandinavian origin, but that changed when Yvonne was cast.

The voice went pretty well with the character. She had the exact kind of upper class, but not aristocratic, projection that made her seem both unapproachable and superior. I liked the blonde hair of the original concept art, but I have to agree with the switch to black, It went better with the costume.

[Arijharn]

Yeah, I think Yvonne aced the VO pretty well for the same reasons you've outlined. The fact that Miranda's also intelligent certainly didn't hurt either imo.

[Made Nightwing]

Arijharn wrote...

Yeah, I think Yvonne aced the VO pretty well for the same reasons you've outlined. The fact that Miranda's also intelligent certainly didn't hurt either imo.

Yvonne seems to be born to play intelligent women. Can't wait to see 'The Killer Elite'. I could see some aspects of her character in Chuck coming in to play in Mass Effect 2, but Miranda is colder and more ruthless than Sarah Walker.

[t3HPrO]

The best thing the BW people did was to have Yvonne Strahovski as Miranda.

[Arijharn]

Not just intelligent imo, but individually strong women (not necessarily in physical strength, but emotional strength). This is partly why I think Miranda is an attractive woman, not just because of her (considerable) sex appeal, nor just because she's got a head on those shoulders of hers, but because she's well, rational, mature, she's confident in herself and her abilities. She doesn't constantly second guess herself (well, I think she does, but she doesn't make it obvious) which in my personal books makes her sexy as hell.

[Made Nightwing]

t3HPrO wrote...

The best thing the BW people did was to have Yvonne Strahovski as Miranda.

Agreed. She and Courtney Taylor (Jack's VA), put such a huge amount of work into their characters. Her killing Niket would just seem like a random event in the game, unless you could hear the pain of the betrayal in Miranda's voice on the way up to see Orianna. And I was thunderstruck at how realistic Jack's romance scene was, at the agony she was expressing as her 'tough b1tch' facade came crumbling down. Genuinely good choices by Bioware.

[Made Nightwing]

Arijharn wrote...

Not just intelligent imo, but individually strong women (not necessarily in physical strength, but emotional strength). This is partly why I think Miranda is an attractive woman, not just because of her (considerable) sex appeal, nor just because she's got a head on those shoulders of hers, but because she's well, rational, mature, she's confident in herself and her abilities. She doesn't constantly second guess herself (well, I think she does, but she doesn't make it obvious) which in my personal books makes her sexy as hell.

Second guessing herself, but keeping it well hidden behind an aggressive facade. I don't know who said video games can never portray characters as well as films, but they were wrong.

[Arijharn]

I think Courtney Taylor was better as Scarlett Lake actually, Jake was a character that while I think Courtney did a fantastic job on, I just didn't want to get to know her. I mean, I got as far as I could without going into romance territory, but I wasn't even interested in taking it that other step.

[Jebel Krong]

australian is a pretty good accent to use because it is kind of classless in sound - it can fit anywhere and doesn't denote background, whereas english is pretty easy to identify (see lara croft) background, and american is, well, grating.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 27 juillet 2011 - 11:50 .

[jtav]

Overlord is the decision I can never justify, and I would despise any squad mate who advocated it. And I could live with the deaths on that.

[The Elder King]

jtav wrote...

Overlord is the decision I can never justify, and I would despise any squad mate who advocated it. And I could live with the deaths on that.

What decision? The start of the project? Or one of the decisions at the end?

[jtav]

Keeping it going. Monstrous, perhaps the only such choice in the game. And it hits close to home for me because I'm also dependent on a caretaker.

As for Strahovski, she seems stiff at times, but does well on the icy parts.

[Melra]

I thought the stiffness was part of the character. She's had quite a bit more experience, when/if she comes to VA in ME3 anyway.

[Arijharn]

Jebel Krong wrote...

australian is a pretty good accent to use because it is kind of classless in sound - it can fit anywhere and doesn't denote background, whereas english is pretty easy to identify (see lara croft) background, and american is, well, grating.

Are you saying I'm classless?!

I didn't think Yvonne was speaking in a decidedly Australian accent in ME2 though. I think a couple of times it shone through (like, when she's saying "You ****!" during her LM) but I didn't think it was 'Australian. Maybe it's because I'm actually Australian though that I don't hear it, and the stereotypical Australian is actually bush Australia, which means us cityslickers really hear it, which means it's just as funny for us as it is for everyone else when we do...

[Arijharn]

jtav wrote...

Overlord is the decision I can never justify, and I would despise any squad mate who advocated it. And I could live with the deaths on that.

Even millions of deaths? I understand your position, but that's something I couldn't share in that situation. It's not as if I don't feel for the position David is put in, it's just that at the end of the day, he's in a position to save more lives. Only if he's properly looked after though... which means get out of that freakin machine for a good period of time.

[jtav]

I told you. I don't believe the ends justify the means. Which is why I have such a complex relationship with Miranda. I don't agree with her worldview.

[naledgeborn]

Women and their shirt stealing ways... I will never understand. 

Arijharn wrote...

jtav wrote...

Overlord is the decision I can never justify, and I would despise any squad mate who advocated it. And I could live with the deaths on that.

Even millions of deaths? I understand your position, but that's something I couldn't share in that situation. It's not as if I don't feel for the position David is put in, it's just that at the end of the day, he's in a position to save more lives. Only if he's properly looked after though... which means get out of that freakin machine for a good period of time.

I think Overlord was more than just a throwback to ME1's exploration. Yeah leaving David plugged in is monstrous, but so is sacrificing Kate Bowman and her co-workers to capture/kill Balak. It's all matter of persepctive. Let David suffer so that millions of human colonists can be spared the pain in conflict with the Geth, or let him out and shut that cesspool of a project down.