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[LanceSolous13]

Taboo-XX wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

You know, I've been thinking about the whole Creators vs. Synthetics thing the Catalyst told us...

Reapers = Synthetics
Creators =/= Organics

What if the Reapers and the Catalyst killed eachother?

He presents a logical fallacy known as appeal to probability.

A is possible/ Therefore A is absolute.

Nothing he says has any bearing on reality.

I don't think the Reapers are aware of his presence to be honest.

I never said I believed in his bull****tery. But, I like the loophole abuse.

Catalyst: "The Created will always rebell against their creators!"

Shepard: "Then what is stopping the Reapers from killing you?"

*White light changes to a brilliant gold and Husks crawl up around Shepard and hold him*

Catalyst: "You are an organic! I am the Vanguard! I created the Reapers! I control the Reapers!"

*A Reaper Spider lands on the Crucible in view of the Catalyst. Husks looks confused and drop Shepard*

*The Catalyst looks around in fear as more Reaper Spiders land near by*

Catalyst: "I. AM. YOUR. CREATOR! I. CONTROL. YOU!" *voice changes to deeper synthetic voice*

Shepard: "Exactly."

*Catalyst looks in fear*

*Harbinger lands on the Citadel and looks down to the Catalyst*

*Harbinger powers up his laser*

Harbinger: "I am the Vanguard of your distruction."

*cut away as Crucible explodes and the Reapers die*

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Miranda's death is bungled because they were going for redemption but neglected to specify what she needed redemption for.

Well, that's true, but making it a redemption story is in itself a highly questionable choice. I might like it better if it had been handled differently. But... I don't think your example really works. Too incidental.

[hot_heart]

ME3's development always puzzled me. I mean, I know it's not like film where things aren't done chronologically but you think they'd have paid more attention to the very beginning of the game (metrics probably told them lots of people don't finish games, so leave the ending until later). I mean, that section has some of the most atrocious writing I've ever witnessed.

[flemm]

hot_heart wrote...

ME3's development always puzzled me. I mean, I know it's not like film where things aren't done chronologically but you think they'd have paid more attention to the very beginning of the game (metrics probably told them lots of people don't finish games, so leave the ending until later). I mean, that section has some of the most atrocious writing I've ever witnessed.

It's bad... I think the beginning may be mangled from what they originally intended to save disk space. (There was supposed to be a trial or something along those lines, I believe.)

[Taboo]

To be honest I blame quite a bit of this on Drew Karpyshyn leaving.

He wrote part of ME2 which was enough to save it from Mac Walters, who takes himself far, far too seriously.

Walters has a tendency to...create emotion through action rather than reflection. He's just grim.

The child in the dreams is a great example of forced symbolism and an inability to express emotional concepts. All I can do is laugh at how stupid the dreams are.

[LanceSolous13]

Taboo-XX wrote...

They assigned a really bad stereotype to be honest.

But I always play as Sheploo so it isn't much of an issue. I'm happy for Jacob. I have no idea what Dr. Cole sees in him though.

Also, Pro-Tip, dating someone who is terminally ill isn't' a good idea. As awful as that sounds. But from what I understand they kind of dropped the ball on that one...

If they were going to kill off one of their better romances no matter what, He should never have been a romance. Same goes for Jacob. If this is the end result, Their status as LI is invalidated and pointless.

There are numerious reasons why Thane was likely to survive. There are three Chekhov's Gun cure in Mass Effect for Thane. Cure from the very first conversation with Thane, Lung Transplant from Lair of the Shadow Broker, Medi-gel for the Lungs.

Even then, The idea of having an LI just for it to mean nothing next time you see them, Its rediculious.

BTW, The Thane Make out Scene, Its the same animations as the Jack one.

[LanceSolous13]

flemm wrote...

hot_heart wrote...

ME3's development always puzzled me. I mean, I know it's not like film where things aren't done chronologically but you think they'd have paid more attention to the very beginning of the game (metrics probably told them lots of people don't finish games, so leave the ending until later). I mean, that section has some of the most atrocious writing I've ever witnessed.

It's bad... I think the beginning may be mangled from what they originally intended to save disk space. (There was supposed to be a trial or something along those lines, I believe.)

It's illogical for them to even cut the Trial in the first place. That was said to happen in the BRIDGING DLC. It even serves the same purpose as the Comic from ME1; to sumerise the events of the previous game for new players and to also explain where everyone is on the metephorical chess board.

[hot_heart]

I've always wondered about the IT stuff though. Were they really hints, or just ineptitude?

I mean, "You can't save me" is something no child would say ever, but then during that same section you have the "Thanks, I owe you one", "You owe me more than one" exchange.

[Taboo]

Perhaps the writers thought that three LI's dying would been too grim? I have no idea. I thought that Thane's death scene was one of the most moving in the game. And the prayer that you can offer is an example of doing proper foreshadowing. At least it was for me, as I choose Destroy.

[Taboo]

hot_heart wrote...

I've always wondered about the IT stuff though. Were they really hints, or just ineptitude?

I mean, "You can't save me" is something no child would say ever, but then during that same section you have the "Thanks, I owe you one", "You owe me more than one" exchange.

It's an attempt to create an emotional resonence with the child. It's just bad.

Mac Walters wrote the opening.

[LanceSolous13]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Perhaps the writers thought that three LI's dying would been too grim? I have no idea. I thought that Thane's death scene was one of the most moving in the game. And the prayer that you can offer is an example of doing proper foreshadowing. At least it was for me, as I choose Destroy.

The fight was poorly coriagraphed. The bedside death brought tears to my eyes though. I'm not saying make it impossible for Thane to die but make it possible for him to live.

[Taboo]

Most things involving Kai Leng are terrible.

He is a complete pansy when he isn't in cutscenes.

All I had to do was charge and shoot. Rinse and repeat. It's pathetic.

[hot_heart]

LanceSolous13 wrote...
The fight was poorly coriagraphed. The bedside death brought tears to my eyes though. I'm not saying make it impossible for Thane to die but make it possible for him to live.

I think it would have been pretty neat if Thane being cured was romance-exclusive, since that's where you see that hopeful side of him.

Though my sadistic side would still want to see him go out like a badass, regardless. Obviously, just with a much better scene.

[LanceSolous13]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Most things involving Kai Leng are terrible.

He is a complete pansy when he isn't in cutscenes.

All I had to do was charge and shoot. Rinse and repeat. It's pathetic.

Not to mention Thane, Shepad, and the Squaddies losing track of Kai Leng when he cloaks. Thane has a slight pass for diving forward but Shepard and Squad are looking intently straight forward...

[Taboo]

Actually, the only people who die in my playthrough are...Mordin, Thane and EDI.

I can safely say that that's three too many but it's nice to know I have some semblance of control over the situation.

[LanceSolous13]

hot_heart wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...
The fight was poorly coriagraphed. The bedside death brought tears to my eyes though. I'm not saying make it impossible for Thane to die but make it possible for him to live.

I think it would have been pretty neat if Thane being cured was romance-exclusive, since that's where you see that hopeful side of him.

Though my sadistic side would still want to see him go out like a badass, regardless. Obviously, just with a much better scene.

I would rather it not be romance exclusive. I play Bro!Shepard. Romance not compatable. And Thane was my Bro....

You're really going to explain to me how running at a melee opponent while weilding a pistol means he went out like a badass....

[Taboo]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Most things involving Kai Leng are terrible.

He is a complete pansy when he isn't in cutscenes.

All I had to do was charge and shoot. Rinse and repeat. It's pathetic.

Not to mention Thane, Shepad, and the Squaddies losing track of Kai Leng when he cloaks. Thane has a slight pass for diving forward but Shepard and Squad are looking intently straight forward...

Mac Walters wrote him too. He was supposed to be a badass. 

Now he's just a chicke**** coward.

Oh, and why didn't Shepard turn the car over when they were in the Citadel? Kai Leng would have fallen a good fifty feet into the water below.

[LanceSolous13]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Actually, the only people who die in my playthrough are...Mordin, Thane and EDI.

I can safely say that that's three too many but it's nice to know I have some semblance of control over the situation.

And Legion.

What makes Mordin's death powerful is that you CAN save him. Or, its atleast one of the factors. Thane and Legion die no matter what and you'll see that every playthrough and it gets annoying.

[Taboo]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Actually, the only people who die in my playthrough are...Mordin, Thane and EDI.

I can safely say that that's three too many but it's nice to know I have some semblance of control over the situation.

And Legion.

What makes Mordin's death powerful is that you CAN save him. Or, its atleast one of the factors. Thane and Legion die no matter what and you'll see that every playthrough and it gets annoying.

Selling Legion leads to some interesting outcomes. I do it sometimes just to mix up the playthroughs.

It means you can't make peace but it does lead to an interesting surprise on Cronos Station...

Legion has been turned into an assassin. Well the name is "Legion Assassin" but still.

[LanceSolous13]

Taboo-XX wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Most things involving Kai Leng are terrible.

He is a complete pansy when he isn't in cutscenes.

All I had to do was charge and shoot. Rinse and repeat. It's pathetic.

Not to mention Thane, Shepad, and the Squaddies losing track of Kai Leng when he cloaks. Thane has a slight pass for diving forward but Shepard and Squad are looking intently straight forward...

Mac Walters wrote him too. He was supposed to be a badass. 

Now he's just a chicke**** coward.

Oh, and why didn't Shepard turn the car over when they were in the Citadel? Kai Leng would have fallen a good fifty feet into the water below.

Or why doesn't he fire his gun AFTER Leng takes down his arm/shields?

Or why doesn't Shepard fire at Leng when he gets in the elevator?

And where is Kirahee, who takes Thane's place if Thane is dead, during this madess?

While I'm writing Thane a better death, Its better to have Thane die saving Shepard rather than just die for no reason.

[LanceSolous13]

Taboo-XX wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Actually, the only people who die in my playthrough are...Mordin, Thane and EDI.

I can safely say that that's three too many but it's nice to know I have some semblance of control over the situation.

And Legion.

What makes Mordin's death powerful is that you CAN save him. Or, its atleast one of the factors. Thane and Legion die no matter what and you'll see that every playthrough and it gets annoying.

Selling Legion leads to some interesting outcomes. I do it sometimes just to mix up the playthroughs.

It means you can't make peace but it does lead to an interesting surprise on Cronos Station...

Legion has been turned into an assassin. Well the name is "Legion Assassin" but still.

He still died did he not?

[Taboo]

I didn't even know who Kai Leng was until they announced that he was in the game with a screenshot.

He came out of nowhere.

Thane should have shot him point blank. ALAS...

[Taboo]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

He still died did he not?

After I Nova'd him into the pit yes.

A Geth VI replaces him. With the exact same voice...

[hot_heart]

LanceSolous13 wrote...
I would rather it not be romance exclusive. I play Bro!Shepard. Romance not compatable. And Thane was my Bro....

You're really going to explain to me how running at a melee opponent while weilding a pistol means he went out like a badass....

I should clarify my point. By much better scene, I meant as in what causes/accelerates his death, since the Kai Leng stuff sucks. Thought my earlier post covered that.

[LanceSolous13]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I didn't even know who Kai Leng was until they announced that he was in the game with a screenshot.

He came out of nowhere.

Thane should have shot him point blank. ALAS...

I didn't know who he was till they said his name...

I haven't so much as looked at the books nor do I plan on reading them at this point.

Novel content is perfectly fine as long as its EXPLAINED.

On Cronos Station, They mention this Greyson person. I don't know who the hell that is nor does Shepard.