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[Taboo]

I think they expected me to read all of the novels.

What's worse is that they say this is best place to start the Trilogy.

And then they make changes like this.

wat

[flemm]

As far as a new installment being "a good place to start" is concerned, I think ME2 and ME3 are an interesting comparison, especially the opening of the game. ME2's opening is brilliant, but disorienting. ME3's opening tries hard to be simpler, but is far less intriguing.

Lesson (to my mind): just make it awesome, people will be intrigued enough to figure it out for themselves. I think that's especially true since everyone is used to picking up a story in the middle. Happens all the time in pop culture, whether it be that tv series that your friend told you about, or that game series that didn't really get popular until the second installment, or whatever.



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Modifié par flemm, 25 juillet 2012 - 10:37 .

[Taboo]

Well I knew someone who played ME2 and that's how I got involved but I always start from the beginning just so I can well versed. I bought ME1 and loved it and then bought ME2 when I was ready.

And then I waited patiently like the rest of you for the third.

ME2 will always be my favorite.

[hot_heart]

flemm wrote...
Lesson (to my mind): just make it awesome, people will be intrigued enough to figure it out for themselves. I think that's especially true since everyone is used to picking up a story in the middle. Happens all the time in pop culture, whether it be that tv series that your friend told you about, or that game series that didn't really get popular until the second installment, or whatever.

A hundred times this.

Some of the direction of the game utterly confounds me.

[LanceSolous13]

And the Trial idea was fine. It didn't have the Normandy Destruction on ME2 or even Project Lazerus. Just have each character give a testemoney for Shepard's trial explaining who they are, and their relation to Shepard. This also would help with the VS giving their opinion of Shepard.

It reminds old players where their loyalties lay and new players on how everything works. A trial alows extreme ammounts of exposition and allows characters like a Lawyer to ask obvious answer questions and say things like "And for those in the Jury who don't know what that means...?"

[Taboo]

I knew were my loyalties lay...

Bioware had other ideas it seems...

[flemm]

hot_heart wrote...
A hundred times this.

Some of the direction of the game utterly confounds me.

I was reminded of this when I played Assassin's Creed 2 for the first time fairly recently. Still haven't played 1. Doesn't matter. I get that there are some story bits that are missing, but it's par for the course, really. This happens all the time.

Same with ME2, except better: I was intrigued. So intrigued that I bought 1, and played that, too

Reminds me a bit of a well-known argument (for Star Trek fans) about whether the Trek tv shows should be serialized. The classic argument was always: seriliasation makes the show less accessible. But Ron Moore, who was a writer in favor of more serialisation (I'm summarizing here) argued: that is misreading the target audience. The target audience enjoys dealing with the continuity and will have no problem sorting it out.

I think that basically applies here as well.

Modifié par flemm, 25 juillet 2012 - 10:50 .

[Taboo]

It's okay to allow some people some speculations but Jesus is it sudden.

And you're imprisoned regardless of what you do.

At least Miranda thought about coming to see Shepard.

[CEO Fun Buttons]

Trial. Yes. This. It makes almost too much sense, but then again, that's probably why BioWare cut it.

Speaking of novels, who's read them? Are they any good?

[Taboo]

From what I understand the first three are a good introduction to lore.

But the fourth book can cause cancer or something.

Metaphorical cancer.

[Vertigo_1]

CEO Fun Buttons wrote...

Trial. Yes. This. It makes almost too much sense, but then again, that's probably why BioWare cut it.

Speaking of novels, who's read them? Are they any good?

Read them all, the latest one Deception is bad...really really bad...written by Dietz

The others before were from OK to good (written by Drew Karpyshyn)

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 25 juillet 2012 - 10:56 .

[Chaotic-Fusion]

I've read the first. The plot is interesting, even though Karpyshyn's prose is mostly average. I'd recommend it to a fan of the ME universe., though.

Regarding the trial, that would have been some much better than what we got. the entire opening sequence is so incredibly bad and devoid of any meaning. And watching Anderson's running animation made me laugh way too much.

Edit: *running animation

Modifié par Chaotic-Fusion, 25 juillet 2012 - 11:04 .

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...

Miranda's death is bungled because they were going for redemption but neglected to specify what she needed redemption for. If I were doing that (and my pleas for a different arc were unheard) I'd have her reveal she did install the chip, but never used it. Leng then uses it to disable Shep's abilities during the Thessia battle. So the loss becomes Miranda's fault.

If the tech used to "enhance" TIM's troops was based off of the Lazarus tech Miranda created or the control chip she wanted to use on Shepard was being used to conscript innocent people against their will into the ranks of Cerberus then I would understand why she'd want to seek redemption. 

What confuses me is that her codex entry and the written material about her in-game paint her as this incredibly driven individual who does the impossible on a regular basis, then you have the voice-acted stuff that paints her as this tragic figure who just wanted to be loved. Jay Watamaniuk's work with romance dialogue is a huge improvement from ME2 but I prefer Patrick Weekes' version of the character. 

[jtav]

Doc, doesn't everybody? She's not even tragic, just pathetic.

[CEO Fun Buttons]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Read them all, the latest one Deception is bad...really really bad...written by Dietz

The others before were from OK to good (written by Drew Karpyshyn)

Man, I liked Dietz's Halo novels, but maybe I just liked them because I was like 14 and didn't know any better?


And am I the only one that didn't mind the direction Miranda's character took in ME3?

[Vertigo_1]

CEO Fun Buttons wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Read them all, the latest one Deception is bad...really really bad...written by Dietz

The others before were from OK to good (written by Drew Karpyshyn)

Man, I liked Dietz's Halo novels, but maybe I just liked them because I was like 14 and didn't know any better?

Ah you've read "Halo: The Flood" too? I kinda liked that because it added to the game with what the Marines were up to during Halo.  The scene where they go back to the Autumn to get supplies/vehicles and (especially this part) come back was my favorite. 

ME: Deception is just bad though...he didn't do a good job on that one

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 25 juillet 2012 - 11:34 .

[CEO Fun Buttons]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

CEO Fun Buttons wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Read them all, the latest one Deception is bad...really really bad...written by Dietz

The others before were from OK to good (written by Drew Karpyshyn)

Man, I liked Dietz's Halo novels, but maybe I just liked them because I was like 14 and didn't know any better?

Ah you've read "Halo: The Flood" too? I kinda liked that because it added to the game with what the Marines were up to during Halo.  The scene where they go back to the Autumn to get supplies/vehicles and (especially this part) come back was my favorite. 

ME: Deception is just bad though...he didn't do a good job on that one

Wait... I meant Eric Nylund. The Flood wasn't bad, but it wasn't my favorite either. The Fall of Reach and First Strike, however, were some of my most favorite guilty pleasure books at the time.

[Vertigo_1]

CEO Fun Buttons wrote...

Wait... I meant Eric Nylund. The Flood wasn't bad, but it wasn't my favorite either. The Fall of Reach and First Strike, however, were some of my most favorite guilty pleasure books at the time.

Yeah those were my favorite too...if he had written Deception, it would have been a lot better than anything Drew has written.  I think he's just that good

We seem to be going a little OT:

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Modifié par Vertigo_1, 25 juillet 2012 - 11:54 .

[Dr. Doctor]

 I'd actually like to see a ME story written by Karen Traviss. She wrote the books in the Republic Commando series that were pretty good sci-fi novels and she was the lead writer on Gears of War 3. She's really good at telling millitary sci-fi stories.

If anyone is looking for a story in the same vein as ME then I recomend the Commonwealth Saga by Peter F. Hamilton. The first book Pandora's Star is pretty long at 900 pages and can be slow at times but the second book Judas Unchained makes all of that set up worth it.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

 I'd actually like to see a ME story written by Karen Traviss. She wrote the books in the Republic Commando series that were pretty good sci-fi novels and she was the lead writer on Gears of War 3. She's really good at telling millitary sci-fi stories.

If anyone is looking for a story in the same vein as ME then I recomend the Commonwealth Saga by Peter F. Hamilton. The first book Pandora's Star is pretty long at 900 pages and can be slow at times but the second book Judas Unchained makes all of that set up worth it.

Wasn't there some sort of big controversy with her star wars books? She called those who disagreed with her "tali-fans", how well do you think she'd fare with BSN?

[flemm]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
Jay Watamaniuk's work with romance dialogue is a huge improvement from ME2 but I prefer Patrick Weekes' version of the character. 

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

*ahem*

Sorry.

But anyway, that gets my vote for understatement of the ****ing millenium.

Modifié par flemm, 26 juillet 2012 - 12:27 .

[Dr. Doctor]

flemm wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...
Jay Watamaniuk's work with romance dialogue is a huge improvement from ME2 but I prefer Patrick Weekes' version of the character. 

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

*ahem*

Sorry.

But anyway, that gets my vote for understatement of the ****ing millenium.

Do I get a commerative plaque? Or maybe a cake?

Jay did pretty well for his first crack at writing, it's just that he has lines that fall flat or don't get elaborated on (see Cerberus' former second in command).

[flemm]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Do I get a commerative plaque? Or maybe a cake?

I'll bake you a cake. You might not want to eat it, but I'll bake it

[jtav]

flemm, remember when we were convinced the script was incomplete and we had all these cool ideas based on literary analysis? I miss those days.

I still like the idea of Miranda suffering to redeem Cerberus.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

flemm, remember when we were convinced the script was incomplete and we had all these cool ideas based on literary analysis? I miss those days.

I still like the idea of Miranda suffering to redeem Cerberus.

I'm still convinced it's incomplete

In fact, I know it is.

But yes, good times

Modifié par flemm, 26 juillet 2012 - 12:45 .