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[Taboo]

yesikareyes wrote...

Yes, sadly ME2 romances got the short end of the stick. However, I admit that while the ExtCut didn't give us a clear reunion scene... it was enough for me to come up of ways Shep and Miri could find each other based on how I want it to go down. I think it's better that way.

Wouldn't you like Mac Walters steering you into Miranda's Liara's arms? 

I for one, am glad they didn't touch it.

In fact, Jessica Merizan said the reason they didn't have one is because they didn't want to do cookie cutter reunions for everybody...

[Taboo]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Black and white? I don't think so. For instance, Cerberus in ME2 was grey, and the genophage problem is definitely not black and white.

I worded it poorly.

I was referring to Shepard's ability to express either extreme kindness or anger only. He's either pissed off or hugging you.

There were no neutral options what so ever.

[wright1978]

yesikareyes wrote...

Yes, sadly ME2 romances got the short end of the stick. However, I admit that while the ExtCut didn't give us a clear reunion scene... it was enough for me to come up of ways Shep and Miri could find each other based on how I want it to go down. I think it's better that way.

I would have liked a re-union scene but don't mind imagining that but I'm still bitter that they couldn't be bothered to show Shep getting out of the rubble because they were wedded to the same ambiguity that made people despise their original endings.

[LanceSolous13]

yesikareyes wrote...

Yes, sadly ME2 romances got the short end of the stick. However, I admit that while the ExtCut didn't give us a clear reunion scene... it was enough for me to come up of ways Shep and Miri could find each other based on how I want it to go down. I think it's better that way.

And, A reunion scene can be written to be a bit more open ended. Writing something that doesn't have a whole ton of dialogue but conveys a lot in very little can easily keep things open enough for interpretation.

A memorial scene is going on. Everyone is sad and depressed as they burry Shepard's belongings. Miranda is crying an ocean into someone's shoulder.

Cut back away a bit for a nice long distance shot of the group. Someone that looks a lot like Shepard walks past the Camera towards the group. Everyone turns and is silent. Eyes widen in surprise and joy.

Cut to Shepard smiling happily.

Cut to black.

[LanceSolous13]

Taboo-XX wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...

Yes, sadly ME2 romances got the short end of the stick. However, I admit that while the ExtCut didn't give us a clear reunion scene... it was enough for me to come up of ways Shep and Miri could find each other based on how I want it to go down. I think it's better that way.

Wouldn't you like Mac Walters steering you into Miranda's Liara's arms? 

I for one, am glad they didn't touch it.

In fact, Jessica Merizan said the reason they didn't have one is because they didn't want to do cookie cutter reunions for everybody...

Erm.....They did do Cookie Cutter Reunions in a way....The entire EC is in cookie cutter format...

[Taboo]

As a film guy that would have made me pretty frustrated. Nothing is worse than forced sappiness. Except forced symbolism. Okay they're both equally terrible.

I for one, am glad I can do it in my head, with many, many possibilities occurring.

[hot_heart]

MisterJB wrote...
For instance, Cerberus created a drug capable of supressing biotic abilities. This has, of course, many practical uses in every day society and even more should Earth ever fight Thessia. What they did, however, was use it to discredit an influential asari matriarch who argued for biotic supremacy. This was only accomplished after brutal experiments on captured asari.

Oh, really? Was this in Cerberus Daily News or somewhere else?

[Taboo]

hot_heart wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
For instance, Cerberus created a drug capable of supressing biotic abilities. This has, of course, many practical uses in every day society and even more should Earth ever fight Thessia. What they did, however, was use it to discredit an influential asari matriarch who argued for biotic supremacy. This was only accomplished after brutal experiments on captured asari.

Oh, really? Was this in Cerberus Daily News or somewhere else?

I still haven't figured out why it was necessary.

Probably one of the books.

[LanceSolous13]

Taboo-XX wrote...

As a film guy that would have made me pretty frustrated. Nothing is worse than forced sappiness. Except forced symbolism. Okay they're both equally terrible.

I for one, am glad I can do it in my head, with many, many possibilities occurring.

I'm not saying its the best thing in the world and would have left me frustraighted as it does have plot holes, But my intention was to leave things up to interpretation enough for there to still be closure but at the same time its left open.

[Taboo]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

As a film guy that would have made me pretty frustrated. Nothing is worse than forced sappiness. Except forced symbolism. Okay they're both equally terrible.

I for one, am glad I can do it in my head, with many, many possibilities occurring.

I'm not saying its the best thing in the world and would have left me frustraighted as it does have plot holes, But my intention was to leave things up to interpretation enough for there to still be closure but at the same time its left open.

The scenes are out of order for a reason.

It goes like this.

It's presented as this

Rebuild -> Plaque Scene -> Breath Scene

When it takes place in this order

Breath Scene -> Plaque Scene -> Rebuild

It's called a cross cut. Each cut belays a time lapse of days, hours or even years.

Shepard is alive and is going to be rescued.

The rest is up to you.

[wright1978]

Taboo-XX wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

As a film guy that would have made me pretty frustrated. Nothing is worse than forced sappiness. Except forced symbolism. Okay they're both equally terrible.

I for one, am glad I can do it in my head, with many, many possibilities occurring.

I'm not saying its the best thing in the world and would have left me frustraighted as it does have plot holes, But my intention was to leave things up to interpretation enough for there to still be closure but at the same time its left open.

The scenes are out of order for a reason.

It goes like this.

It's presented as this

Rebuild -> Plaque Scene -> Breath Scene

When it takes place in this order

Breath Scene -> Plaque Scene -> Rebuild

It's called a cross cut. Each cut belays a time lapse of days, hours or even years.

Shepard is alive and is going to be rescued.

The rest is up to you.

It is called laziness. Basically they couldn't be arsed to integrate the Shep lives ending properly into the destroy epilogue and dumped breath scene at the end like a piece of garbage.

[LanceSolous13]

Taboo-XX wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

As a film guy that would have made me pretty frustrated. Nothing is worse than forced sappiness. Except forced symbolism. Okay they're both equally terrible.

I for one, am glad I can do it in my head, with many, many possibilities occurring.

I'm not saying its the best thing in the world and would have left me frustraighted as it does have plot holes, But my intention was to leave things up to interpretation enough for there to still be closure but at the same time its left open.

The scenes are out of order for a reason.

It goes like this.

It's presented as this

Rebuild -> Plaque Scene -> Breath Scene

When it takes place in this order

Breath Scene -> Plaque Scene -> Rebuild

It's called a cross cut. Each cut belays a time lapse of days, hours or even years.

Shepard is alive and is going to be rescued.

The rest is up to you.

I got that they're out of order.

The issue is, There is no closure there... And its bad writing expecting the audience to write their own closure. It should not be up to me to write THEIR damn endings.

There are rules for endings but two I'd like to point out are...

Closure.
Keep things relativly open.

If they had given us a passionate perfect reunion in the base game, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be saying 'The rest is up to you'.

[Taboo]

It would also disprove the IT. Which would upset the most... bizarre people on this site.

The intention and inflection comes from the way the scene is cut together.

[LanceSolous13]

Besides, When was the last time we actually thought that the conversations we see in game were all there was to each relationship? XD

I know I've written a few one shots of Shepard eating dinner with the crew or getting drunk with Kasumi.

[Ieldra]

hot_heart wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
For instance, Cerberus created a drug capable of supressing biotic abilities. This has, of course, many practical uses in every day society and even more should Earth ever fight Thessia. What they did, however, was use it to discredit an influential asari matriarch who argued for biotic supremacy. This was only accomplished after brutal experiments on captured asari.

Oh, really? Was this in Cerberus Daily News or somewhere else?

LotSB, Shadow Broker dossiers, entry about Cerberus. Project Trapdoor.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:40 .

[Ieldra]

Taboo-XX wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...

Yes, sadly ME2 romances got the short end of the stick. However, I admit that while the ExtCut didn't give us a clear reunion scene... it was enough for me to come up of ways Shep and Miri could find each other based on how I want it to go down. I think it's better that way.

Wouldn't you like Mac Walters steering you into Miranda's Liara's arms? 

I for one, am glad they didn't touch it.

In fact, Jessica Merizan said the reason they didn't have one is because they didn't want to do cookie cutter reunions for everybody...

Mac Walters: "We'll make a reunion scene with Liara. People can always imagine someone else to replace her."


At least the EC Miranda flashback is a very nice one.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:44 .

[Ieldra]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...
I see no reason for the Citadel for stay in Sol for very long. : / Its stupid for it to be there. And, this also makes the Widow Relay pointless as nothing else is there.

Paragon Shepard would see it gets moved back somehow.

Stupid? Didn't you watch the Destroy epilogue? They're using the beam as a space elevator. Very neat.

Considering where the beam leads too, That's not a good idea.

It leads to a corridor within the Citadel. What's so bad about that? Of course they'd need to block access to Citadel Control, but that's easily done.

And how many other doors in that hallway are there?

Besides, Space Elevator is stupid. Unless the Citadel is moving in perfect time with Earth and ete...Not going to work right.

Would you please stop calling things stupid you obviously know nothing about. A space elevator is at the border of hard SF and real-world technology. It has so far been unrealizable for lack of proper materials. Lately, carbon nanotubes have been discovered, a material which is strong enough but can't currently be produced in large enough quantities. The space side of the elevator would be anchored by an object in geostationary orbit (that's 36000 km out). Place the Citadel there and you won't even have a problem with the material since there is none.

BTW, doors and corridors can be added.

(I'd like to know the real reason for your being so opposed to the idea of the CItadel staying in the Sol system. Your arguments smell of being pretextual)

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 juillet 2012 - 09:54 .

[LanceSolous13]

Because that leaves the Citadel in Human Space......Which means its technically under human control.....And I really hate how forced the "Humans are special!" and ete stuff is.....And I played Mass Effect with the "Unite the Galaxy to kill the Reapers" idea in mind, not "Unite the Galaxy under Human control".

[wright1978]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Because that leaves the Citadel in Human Space......Which means its technically under human control.....And I really hate how forced the "Humans are special!" and ete stuff is.....And I played Mass Effect with the "Unite the Galaxy to kill the Reapers" idea in mind, not "Unite the Galaxy under Human control".

Because the old citadel building is repurposed by earth civilisation that doesn't mean that galactic government is moved to earth. I'd fully expect a replacement galactic hub to be built where the old citadel used to stand once teh relay network is back up and running.

[LanceSolous13]

wright1978 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Because that leaves the Citadel in Human Space......Which means its technically under human control.....And I really hate how forced the "Humans are special!" and ete stuff is.....And I played Mass Effect with the "Unite the Galaxy to kill the Reapers" idea in mind, not "Unite the Galaxy under Human control".

Because the old citadel building is repurposed by earth civilisation that doesn't mean that galactic government is moved to earth. I'd fully expect a replacement galactic hub to be built where the old citadel used to stand once teh relay network is back up and running.

....Why though? The Citadel was designed to be the perfect hub and throne of Galactic Civilisation in every way.

...So we just build a new one and let the humans keep the giant perfectly usable old one?

[lillitheris]

wright1978 wrote...

It is called laziness. Basically they couldn't be arsed to integrate the Shep lives ending properly into the destroy epilogue and dumped breath scene at the end like a piece of garbage.

I don’t disagree with this sentiment, as applicable as it is to the game, but it’s specifically left last because it’s intended to evoke an emotional reaction—which it wouldn’t, if it actually happened chronologically. In other words, ART. It could maybe have been achieved in the correct order, too, but that would have required a more extensive epilogue.

It’s dumb as all hell, but not pure laziness. Not sure which is worse, really.

Modifié par lillitheris, 26 juillet 2012 - 10:45 .

[wright1978]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Because that leaves the Citadel in Human Space......Which means its technically under human control.....And I really hate how forced the "Humans are special!" and ete stuff is.....And I played Mass Effect with the "Unite the Galaxy to kill the Reapers" idea in mind, not "Unite the Galaxy under Human control".

Because the old citadel building is repurposed by earth civilisation that doesn't mean that galactic government is moved to earth. I'd fully expect a replacement galactic hub to be built where the old citadel used to stand once teh relay network is back up and running.

....Why though? The Citadel was designed to be the perfect hub and throne of Galactic Civilisation in every way.

...So we just build a new one and let the humans keep the giant perfectly usable old one?

Original Citadel was handy that was all. Now its broken and stranded on earth. Moving it back would be a massive operation in itself, never mind the repair bill. Building a new hub makes far more sense and leave the humans to spend a fortune to repurpose and clear up the mess of the original citadel that's on their doorstep.

Really should get back on correct topic though, the wonderfulness that is Ms Lawson.

Modifié par wright1978, 26 juillet 2012 - 11:17 .

[Ieldra]

LanceSolous13 wrote...
Because that leaves the Citadel in Human Space......Which means its technically under human control

That does not follow. If it continues to be the hub of galactic civilization, it will continue to be exterritorial.

And I really hate how forced the "Humans are special!" and ete stuff is.....

With humans - and one human in particular - being so instrumental in ending the war, I'd say a special regard for humans is more justified post-War. I have much more of a problem with the intrinsic specialness hinted at in ME1 and ME2.

And I played Mass Effect with the "Unite the Galaxy to kill the Reapers" idea in mind, not "Unite the Galaxy under Human control".

That does not follow from the Citadel's presence in the Sol system. I like the idea of the Sol system becoming the hub of a new galactic civilization, but as for actual power, it doesn't say much. Humans will gain a lot of political influence (justifiedly, see above) but the other species still outnumber them greatly. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 juillet 2012 - 11:17 .

[Ieldra]

Another random screenshot from my Miranda collection...

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 juillet 2012 - 11:19 .

[SpectresHonour]

Quick question; What rank is Shepard in ME3 does anybody know? Is s/he still an Lieutenant Commander?