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[lillitheris]

SpectresHonour wrote...

Quick question; What rank is Shepard in ME3 does anybody know? Is s/he still an Lieutenant Commander?

It’s not stated; theoretically she (or I suppose he for the most of you) could be a Staff Commander.

[wright1978]

lillitheris wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

It is called laziness. Basically they couldn't be arsed to integrate the Shep lives ending properly into the destroy epilogue and dumped breath scene at the end like a piece of garbage.

I don’t disagree with this sentiment, as applicable as it is to the game, but it’s specifically left last because it’s intended to evoke an emotional reaction—which it wouldn’t, if it actually happened chronologically. In other words, ART. It could maybe have been achieved in the correct order, too, but that would have required a more extensive epilogue.

It’s dumb as all hell, but not pure laziness. Not sure which is worse, really.

I get that it was supposed to evoke an emotional reaction in the original ending. However once you add a 200 year epilogue leaving it tacked on the end isn't anything to do with art. It is either laziness or contempt. I don't need to see Miranda by Shep's bedside but i do need to see Shep lives integrated into the epilogue via something like Shep voicing the epilogue in high EMS.

[hot_heart]

Ieldra2 wrote...
LotSB, Shadow Broker dossiers, entry about Cerberus. Project Trapdoor.

D'oh. I'd read the first part of that timeline, for a bit of background, but had neglected to read the rest. Thanks!

[Taboo]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...

Yes, sadly ME2 romances got the short end of the stick. However, I admit that while the ExtCut didn't give us a clear reunion scene... it was enough for me to come up of ways Shep and Miri could find each other based on how I want it to go down. I think it's better that way.

Wouldn't you like Mac Walters steering you into Miranda's Liara's arms? 

I for one, am glad they didn't touch it.

In fact, Jessica Merizan said the reason they didn't have one is because they didn't want to do cookie cutter reunions for everybody...

Mac Walters: "We'll make a reunion scene with Liara. People can always imagine someone else to replace her."


At least the EC Miranda flashback is a very nice one.

I was on the verge of tears when I saw that Miranda had replaced Liara when I shot the pipe.

One thing that truly upset me was seeing Liara the first time I finished the game by stumbling into the Synthesis beam.

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...

Yes, sadly ME2 romances got the short end of the stick. However, I admit that while the ExtCut didn't give us a clear reunion scene... it was enough for me to come up of ways Shep and Miri could find each other based on how I want it to go down. I think it's better that way.

Wouldn't you like Mac Walters steering you into Miranda's Liara's arms? 

I for one, am glad they didn't touch it.

In fact, Jessica Merizan said the reason they didn't have one is because they didn't want to do cookie cutter reunions for everybody...

Mac Walters: "We'll make a reunion scene with Liara. People can always imagine someone else to replace her."


At least the EC Miranda flashback is a very nice one.

I was on the verge of tears when I saw that Miranda had replaced Liara when I shot the pipe.

One thing that truly upset me was seeing Liara the first time I finished the game by stumbling into the Synthesis beam.

Yeah me too. I wonder how many people fell for synthesis the first time? 

[Taboo]

I just walked in.

The presentation was so terrible I just went into the middle.

Then I got up, went online and realized the problem was not just mine.

And that's why I'm here.

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I just walked in.

The presentation was so terrible I just went into the middle.

Then I got up, went online and realized the problem was not just mine.

And that's why I'm here.

I remember when I got hit by Harbinger's beam. I was certain I had failed the mission and was waiting for the Critical Mission Failure screen. After I got up though, I had a growing level of disbelief, because, up until that point Mass Effect 3 had been perfect. That was the moment when I was like, "Oh ****, they're gonna ****ing railroad me into my death. And then RGB came and went. I was in shock all day. I didn't even bother to leave my bed, and I called some friends and told them I was cancelling plans that we had. I beat the game early on the morning of March 8th, before the ****storm really took off. I was in utter shock for a couple of days. As I looked on the internet, more and more people started ****ing about the ending, and I knew that it wasn't just me. It came as a complete alpaca out of ****ing nowhere, the ending.

And BioWare actually defended that ending?

[Td1984]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Td1984 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Perhaps the writers thought that three LI's dying would been too grim? I have no idea. I thought that Thane's death scene was one of the most moving in the game. And the prayer that you can offer is an example of doing proper foreshadowing. At least it was for me, as I choose Destroy.

The line from Shep saying to Thane that he won't be alone long is also major foreshadowing.

I still can't figure out how to interpret that. Shepard has gone really depressed and is a Death Seeker or is Shepard talking about the innocents that will die in this war following Thane?

I had always interpreted it (prior to the EMS being lowered to 3100 making survival shockingly easy to attain) as Shep believing they weren't going to survive the end of the war. 

[Stalker]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I just walked in.

The presentation was so terrible I just went into the middle.

Then I got up, went online and realized the problem was not just mine.

And that's why I'm here.

I remember when I got hit by Harbinger's beam. I was certain I had failed the mission and was waiting for the Critical Mission Failure screen. After I got up though, I had a growing level of disbelief, because, up until that point Mass Effect 3 had been perfect. That was the moment when I was like, "Oh ****, they're gonna ****ing railroad me into my death. And then RGB came and went. I was in shock all day. I didn't even bother to leave my bed, and I called some friends and told them I was cancelling plans that we had. I beat the game early on the morning of March 8th, before the ****storm really took off. I was in utter shock for a couple of days. As I looked on the internet, more and more people started ****ing about the ending, and I knew that it wasn't just me. It came as a complete alpaca out of ****ing nowhere, the ending.

And BioWare actually defended that ending?

Too bad the bolded doesn't fit for me. I was just thinking after Haringer arrives "Now this boring **** finally gets interesting" (Earth mission in general) and looking back through the game, I just couldn't find a single point out of Tuchanka and Rannoch where I would have said that ME3 is the game I expected it to be.

However, I agree with the "shock" thing: I had symptomps of depression even... for 2 weeks it was really bad.


Oh, and my experience is almost the exact same as Taboo's: Out of complete confusion I just stumbled to the middle and minutes later I raged here. At least got me one positive thing: I discovered how awesome BioWare Social is. 

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:08 .

[Td1984]

Ieldra2 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Td1984 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Perhaps the writers thought that three LI's dying would been too grim? I have no idea. I thought that Thane's death scene was one of the most moving in the game. And the prayer that you can offer is an example of doing proper foreshadowing. At least it was for me, as I choose Destroy.

The line from Shep saying to Thane that he won't be alone long is also major foreshadowing.

I still can't figure out how to interpret that. Shepard has gone really depressed and is a Death Seeker or is Shepard talking about the innocents that will die in this war following Thane?

It's meant as foreshadowing Shepard's death, showing him as having a premonition of his possible death, and accepting it. Which is why I hate this line. I'm sure my Shepard's not the only one for whom this is out of character.

Yeah, regardless of which Shep I'm playing as, that line makes me facepalm. None of my Sheps were overly close to Thane (they talked to him in ME2 on the recruitment and loyalty missions only) but didn't miss a conversation with him in ME3. Why they'd suddenly be content with realizing this is a war that they won't survive just because Thane died, I don't know. 

I'm thinking it was meant to be spoken by a Shep who romanced Thane, but like for so many other things that make sense only as romance-exclusive, for whatever reason (time, laziness, resources) it was not set to romance-only.

Modifié par Td1984, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:12 .

[CrutchCricket]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Well, I don't believe there was anything saying it couldn't be moved in the first place and nothing to suggest they can't move it back. Plus, Citadel in Alliance Space, as 'coincidental' as it is, doesn't look good...That's sort of why it was in the Widow in the first place; Nothing else is there.

Nobody said it couldn't be moved (though no one imagined it moving either). But the Reapers moved it. And in destroy you don't have their resources. So it'll stay where it is for the time being.

Not that it will help humans much in the coming age of strife.

[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...
The presentation was so terrible I just went into the middle.

This made me lol

So true.

Modifié par flemm, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:22 .

[hot_heart]

It's surprising actually. I think a lot of people were seriously bummed out by the ending. I didn't expect a game (series) to have that much of an impact on me. I'm sure, personally-speaking, there were a few external factors for my feeling a bit depressed, though I won't bore you with those.

[Dr. Doctor]

CrutchCricket wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Well, I don't believe there was anything saying it couldn't be moved in the first place and nothing to suggest they can't move it back. Plus, Citadel in Alliance Space, as 'coincidental' as it is, doesn't look good...That's sort of why it was in the Widow in the first place; Nothing else is there.

Nobody said it couldn't be moved (though no one imagined it moving either). But the Reapers moved it. And in destroy you don't have their resources. So it'll stay where it is for the time being.

Not that it will help humans much in the coming age of strife.

If we're going to go grimdark we might as well do it right

Although when the Catalyst said that the Reapers were his solution to chaos I thought he was talking about the "Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne!" chaos, not the whole machines vs. organics thing.

Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 26 juillet 2012 - 05:31 .

[Joe1962]

Td1984 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Td1984 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Perhaps the writers thought that three LI's dying would been too grim? I have no idea. I thought that Thane's death scene was one of the most moving in the game. And the prayer that you can offer is an example of doing proper foreshadowing. At least it was for me, as I choose Destroy.

The line from Shep saying to Thane that he won't be alone long is also major foreshadowing.

I still can't figure out how to interpret that. Shepard has gone really depressed and is a Death Seeker or is Shepard talking about the innocents that will die in this war following Thane?

I had always interpreted it (prior to the EMS being lowered to 3100 making survival shockingly easy to attain) as Shep believing they weren't going to survive the end of the war. 

I always took that line to mean that Kia Leng would be joining him in death soon.

That's the way my Shep meant it, anyway. Like, "Your killer will be joining you soon."

My Shep always plans on surviving any mission.

[fiendishchicken]

Mr Massakka wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I just walked in.

The presentation was so terrible I just went into the middle.

Then I got up, went online and realized the problem was not just mine.

And that's why I'm here.

I remember when I got hit by Harbinger's beam. I was certain I had failed the mission and was waiting for the Critical Mission Failure screen. After I got up though, I had a growing level of disbelief, because, up until that point Mass Effect 3 had been perfect. That was the moment when I was like, "Oh ****, they're gonna ****ing railroad me into my death. And then RGB came and went. I was in shock all day. I didn't even bother to leave my bed, and I called some friends and told them I was cancelling plans that we had. I beat the game early on the morning of March 8th, before the ****storm really took off. I was in utter shock for a couple of days. As I looked on the internet, more and more people started ****ing about the ending, and I knew that it wasn't just me. It came as a complete alpaca out of ****ing nowhere, the ending.

And BioWare actually defended that ending?

Too bad the bolded doesn't fit for me. I was just thinking after Haringer arrives "Now this boring **** finally gets interesting" (Earth mission in general) and looking back through the game, I just couldn't find a single point out of Tuchanka and Rannoch where I would have said that ME3 is the game I expected it to be.

However, I agree with the "shock" thing: I had symptomps of depression even... for 2 weeks it was really bad.


Oh, and my experience is almost the exact same as Taboo's: Out of complete confusion I just stumbled to the middle and minutes later I raged here. At least got me one positive thing: I discovered how awesome BioWare Social is. 

What I meant was that when I first played the game, I was mostly in the HOLY CRAP I'M PLAYING MASS EFFECT 3 phase. Once I beat it and started to replay it did I start seeing a lot of the negative stuff.

[Stalker]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I just walked in.

The presentation was so terrible I just went into the middle.

Then I got up, went online and realized the problem was not just mine.

And that's why I'm here.

I remember when I got hit by Harbinger's beam. I was certain I had failed the mission and was waiting for the Critical Mission Failure screen. After I got up though, I had a growing level of disbelief, because, up until that point Mass Effect 3 had been perfect. That was the moment when I was like, "Oh ****, they're gonna ****ing railroad me into my death. And then RGB came and went. I was in shock all day. I didn't even bother to leave my bed, and I called some friends and told them I was cancelling plans that we had. I beat the game early on the morning of March 8th, before the ****storm really took off. I was in utter shock for a couple of days. As I looked on the internet, more and more people started ****ing about the ending, and I knew that it wasn't just me. It came as a complete alpaca out of ****ing nowhere, the ending.

And BioWare actually defended that ending?

Too bad the bolded doesn't fit for me. I was just thinking after Haringer arrives "Now this boring **** finally gets interesting" (Earth mission in general) and looking back through the game, I just couldn't find a single point out of Tuchanka and Rannoch where I would have said that ME3 is the game I expected it to be.

However, I agree with the "shock" thing: I had symptomps of depression even... for 2 weeks it was really bad.


Oh, and my experience is almost the exact same as Taboo's: Out of complete confusion I just stumbled to the middle and minutes later I raged here. At least got me one positive thing: I discovered how awesome BioWare Social is. 

What I meant was that when I first played the game, I was mostly in the HOLY CRAP I'M PLAYING MASS EFFECT 3 phase. Once I beat it and started to replay it did I start seeing a lot of the negative stuff.

Yes I get where you were coming from, but not even that was the case for me...

Sure, I was astonished since I was playing the last part of the trilogy I love so much and rated everything above normal parameters, but not even that could hide how bad the game was in my very first playthrough. I found myself shutting the xbox off ealier than I have to... for MASS EFFECT. 

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 26 juillet 2012 - 05:57 .

[Taboo]

I thought I had failed to when I was hit by Harbinger's beam.

I was like, "Yeah, no this is really ****ed up. I don't plan on dying here, I have promises to keep."

I wandered into the Synthesis beam and then the two people who were with me on the run to the beam stepped out of the Normandy. I thought I was being trolled.

And then I realized that it was indeed that bad and I had NOT suffered a stroke.

[Lawrence0294]

I chose destroy form the beginning though my Shepard didn't survive since i hadn't played mulitplayer. At first i was like "huuu....ok, that was a bit weird but not as bad as what people say" but then i talked to my brother and he made me see all the horrors they had done. The following month was really bad.

[Skullheart]

kratos0294 wrote...

The following month was really bad.

For, it's still bad.

[Taboo]

The closest thing to a narrative comparison that I can find is a film called The White Ribbon.

It has an ambiguous narrative with a literal interpretation that you're supposed to speculate about.

Except that Haneke was courteous enough to provide information to the audience, or at least enough of it to provide proper speculation.

It's also quite evident how they felt about characters in the flashbacks. Miranda didn't even have one in the game files.

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The closest thing to a narrative comparison that I can find is a film called The White Ribbon.

It has an ambiguous narrative with a literal interpretation that you're supposed to speculate about.

Except that Haneke was courteous enough to provide information to the audience, or at least enough of it to provide proper speculation.

It's also quite evident how they felt about characters in the flashbacks. Miranda didn't even have one in the game files.

I can guarantee Anderson and EDI are not in my Shepard's mind. Maybe Joker, but not Anderson or EDI. Legion would be more appropriate. But if I could, Miranda would be all the flashback would consist of.

[Ieldra]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
At least the EC Miranda flashback is a very nice one.

I was on the verge of tears when I saw that Miranda had replaced Liara when I shot the pipe.

Yeah, me too, after jumping into the beam. Miranda's there with a wink and that trademark enigmatic smile. One of the best Miranda cuts in two games. It was very sad when my Shepard had to go without having fulfilled his promise, but in a good way.



I have no idea why I always get Thane as well though.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 juillet 2012 - 06:59 .

[Taboo]

To be fair I was fighting for everyone, but at the end of the day, regardless of what people say, it will always, always be about the person you care about most in stories and it always will be.

I would have preferred Garrus, Javik and then Miranda.

I've been planning on doing a write up about this, as I feel it needs to be addressed.

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The closest thing to a narrative comparison that I can find is a film called The White Ribbon.

It has an ambiguous narrative with a literal interpretation that you're supposed to speculate about.

Except that Haneke was courteous enough to provide information to the audience, or at least enough of it to provide proper speculation.

It's also quite evident how they felt about characters in the flashbacks. Miranda didn't even have one in the game files.

Well ME3 vanilla without an import was probably how Bioware wanted the game to be played. 

BTW, anyone on 360 want to share gamertags? I'd be pretty nice to actually talk to some people who know the game and the lore. All I ever get on Bronze is nerds correcting each other, Silver is the same with people who don't talk, and gold is People who've never played the SP. I think I told everyone about the time I played with a guy who was like "This game's multiplayer sucks! Why would anyone ever buy this game? Who's Commander Shepard?" I thought he was a troll, but he had genuinely never played any game (ANY game period) single player.