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[flemm]

krukow wrote...

I knew about that.  How is that "cool"?  I mean, it was an interesting tragic character development, but I'm not sure I'd use "cool" to describe it.  Sucks for Miri.  And the universe, since her perfect genes go with her...

wright is referring to the one you get after Sanctuary at the SB terminal.

oups, 'd.

Modifié par flemm, 27 juillet 2012 - 11:58 .

[krukow]

wright1978 wrote...

krukow wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

jtav wrote...

She's in the game enough, I think. Jacob pulls it off despite a smaller role. They just don't bring it up. Where's the guilt and righteous fury? By their own admission she was TIM's right hand, not a naive innocent. She should want to take them down more than anything. TIM used her, lied to her. Every good thing she did for them is now perverted. She should be an avenging angel. Not this...whatever she is.

Romance stuff is good but yeah there's so much filler to her content elsewhere. My guess a more senior writer could have challenged & fought against the instructions from above for her to be uncontroverisal. Junior writer just wrote within the narrow confines he'd been given unfortunately. Only when us fans started to rage at the leak do we get the cool shadowbroker e-mail.

What shadowbroker email?

E-mail stating that Miranda has rounded up a group of like minded Cerberus renegades and been taking out ME3's crazy cerberus nuts.

Oh, that email.  Yeah, it was pretty cool, though I think Miri should have been 50 war assets...

[jtav]

This is the text btw:

Ms. Lawson:
The Alliance wishes to express its gratitude for your assistance. With the information you've been sending us on Cerberus, we've been able to avoid ambushes they were setting up for our supply convoys.

We'd offer you additional resources, but I understand you've procured a class-F private fighter and joined up with former colleagues. I also understand that several Cerberus bases were lost after being attacked by a reported group of "private special operatives" of no known affiliation.

The Alliance cannot officially condone this kind of independent operation, nor do we actually confirm that these operations are taking place.

Good luck, Ms. Lawson.

And ye, very cool. Also obvious damage control.

[Taboo]

wright1978 wrote...

E-mail stating that Miranda has rounded up a group of like minded Cerberus renegades and been taking out ME3's crazy cerberus nuts.

And?

She's helping the war effort with knowledge she has aquired.

Cerberus is directly involved in hostile actions against civilians and is hindering cooperation amongst everyone else.

I'm unsure how doing this is a bad thing considering that if TIM had succeded we'd all be ****ed.

[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...

And?

She's helping the war effort with knowledge she has aquired.

Cerberus is directly involved in hostile actions against civilians and is hindering cooperation amongst everyone else.

I'm unsure how doing this is a bad thing considering that if TIM had succeded we'd all be ****ed.

It's not bad writing. That's the opposite of what wright is saying.

This is the type of thing we should have seen a lot more of in the content for Miranda in the main game.

However, it's likely it was only added after we got a chance to look at a leaked script and said: this is what is missing. It's not bad writing, in fact it's obviously a very good idea.

Modifié par flemm, 28 juillet 2012 - 12:03 .

[wright1978]

Taboo-XX wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

E-mail stating that Miranda has rounded up a group of like minded Cerberus renegades and been taking out ME3's crazy cerberus nuts.

And?

She's helping the war effort with knowledge she has aquired.

Cerberus is directly involved in hostile actions against civilians and is hindering cooperation amongst everyone else.

I'm unsure how doing this is a bad thing considering that if TIM had succeded we'd all be ****ed.

It's not a bad thing. It's extremely cool. Unfortunately as Jtav says it is clearly damage control because people raged at time of leaked script and shows up how disappointing the rest of her content is.

[Taboo]

Then make a suggestion to put into DLC.

I can't think of something that would I would buy faster.

[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Then make a suggestion to put into DLC.

Done and done. Many times.

Basically what we're doing here is catching you up on the last... six months or so of these matters

Modifié par flemm, 28 juillet 2012 - 12:06 .

[Taboo]

I'd like to see her in a DLC with Jack. Jack got pushed away even more than Miranda did.

I'd like to see the remnants of the old Cerberus in there. With new abilities of course.

[jtav]

I remember when the leak happened. It wasn't so much rage as nausea and denial. We were so convinced that her role was incomplete, that there was a confrontation were her father, that her survival would lead to new options. Only her role was complete. More fool us.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

I wonder how hard would it have been to make Miranda join your squad after Sanctuary. It's so close to the end of the game that they wouldn't have needed to record much more dialogue and they could have just reused ME2 assets. It would have been nice to have her at Cerberus HQ instead of EDI. I used her quite often in ME2; she was a nice supplement to my Infiltrator.

[Taboo]

Oh believe me, I can spare the twenty five war assets. I'd be more than happy to take Miranda with me on the Normandy. We can make sure Oriana is safe as well.

Money is not the issue here either. The issue is that the writers did not Miranda in the game more.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I remember when the leak happened. It wasn't so much rage as nausea and denial. We were so convinced that her role was incomplete, that there was a confrontation were her father, that her survival would lead to new options. Only her role was complete. More fool us.

Indeed

[CEO Fun Buttons]

jtav wrote...

ME2 Miranda was a character who had ideas and ideals. flemm called her "the thinking man's knockout." She was ambitious with a vision of human advancement that didn't involve constant atrocities. ME3 Miranda doesn't have a thought in that pretty head of hers that doesn't involve Ori or the romance. Yes, it's good that she loves her sister, but that isn't remarkable or unique.I feel as if I'm being asked to like her because she isn't a sociopath. The lack of joining up isn't a problem. Her lack of ideals is.

While I agree that her character in ME3 was far from perfect, I understand why she's doing what she's doing. During the events of ME3, every bright mind in the Galaxy is working towards solving the Reaper threat. No one, save her though, was interested in helping her sister. If Miranda didn't work to save Oriana, no one would have, and she would've been lost, and considering Oriana was the only person other than Shepard that she cared about, I would've been disappointed if she hadn't worked to save her.

Blame BioWare for relying too much on the damsel in distress bit, but givin the circumstances, I think she was acting as her character would act. Once Oriana is safe, she goes straight back to taking the initiative, gathering resources, and taking the fight to her enemies. Of course, leave it to BioWare to try to convey that through an easily missed email and not through actions taken in the game.

[flemm]

CEO Fun Buttons wrote...
 No one, save her though, was interested in helping her sister. If Miranda didn't work to save Oriana, no one would have, and she would've been lost, and considering Oriana was the only person other than Shepard that she cared about, I would've been disappointed if she hadn't worked to save her.

I think it's supposed to come across more as something like: some initial troubles with Orianna prevent Miranda from joining up, gradually it turns out to be something extremely important that she investigates and takes care of.

It's just that the writing and implementation are bad so it doesn't really come across that way. As a story outline it's not bad (though obviously annoying in the sense that it keeps her away from the action most of the time).

Modifié par flemm, 28 juillet 2012 - 12:45 .

[iHorizons]

I would love to see a Miranda DLC kind of like LotSB.

Modifié par iHorizons, 28 juillet 2012 - 12:43 .

[Taboo]

One might say that she's worried about compromising things by being there. It's more than evident how she feels about him. But being Miranda, she toughens up and does what she does best and gets the job done.

I would think that my Shepard would be very proud of her.

Although that's just speculations.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

iHorizons wrote...

I would love to see a Miranda DLC kind of like LotSB.

I would pay for that, LotSB was easily the best ME2 DLC. And I don't even like Liara.

[jtav]

Thought: the genophage is always cured as a result of Synthesis. Does that mean Miranda's infertility is now curable?

[Taboo]

jtav wrote...

Thought: the genophage is always cured as a result of Synthesis. Does that mean Miranda's infertility is now curable?

We don't know how she's infertile.

It could be as simple as blocked fallopian tubes.

It could have something to do with the way cells form in the uterus.

I would imagine the problem isn't as severe as it sounds, as I'm sure Miranda has all the monthly ordeals that women do. I would think she would notice if she wasn't regular.

That felt weird to type. I apologize for any awkwardness it may cause.

[MisterJB]

Miranda didn't need to join the squad at all. What she needed was to play a pivotal role in a proper Cerberus Arc much like Mordin does in the Genophage arc.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

Miranda didn't need to join the squad at all. What she needed was to play a pivotal role in a proper Cerberus Arc much like Mordin does in the Genophage arc.

As the story is laid out, Miranda joining after Sanctuary and Miranda doing what you describe would amount to essentially the same thing, really (or pretty close).

Modifié par flemm, 28 juillet 2012 - 01:41 .

[MisterJB]

Miranda joining the squad after Sanctuary would require Bioware making the character ready to do some combat, give her weapons, abilities, stats, etc; along with new scenes appropriate to the situation.
It would be easier if she never joined the actual squad.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

Miranda joining the squad after Sanctuary would require Bioware making the character ready to do some combat, give her weapons, abilities, stats, etc; along with new scenes appropriate to the situation.
It would be easier if she never joined the actual squad.

From a tech point of view, sure, but I mean: conceptually, it is similar.

[jtav]

Miranda makes more sense in EDI's role than EDI does, providing commentary on the logs etc. I never understood why EDI mandatory there.