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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ghost1017 wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Any hater who thinks that Miri looks like Michael Jackson is a ****ing douche!.... 

Miranda may not be my LI or choice, but that's just dumb, she looks nothing like Michael Jackson.  

*EVIL SNIP*


I don't see it. 

ME NEITHER. I mean, COME ON! MJ's eyes are saggy, his nose is distorted, his lips look flat, and his face looks like his skeleton is about to rip out of it.

Miri looks NOTHING, I repeat N-O-T-H-I-N-G like that!

Her Eyes, her Eyebrows, her Lips, her Nose, and her Facial Structure are the Same as Yvonne's Features.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 28 juillet 2012 - 04:48 .

[spirosz]

We... know she doesn't....

[BaneForever]

 I haven't posted on this thread in a long time. Really wished that Miranda had been a squadmate and that Orianna kidnapping was done differently. They could have gave Miranda a cross between phantom armor and Kai Leng armor if she had been a squadmate

Modifié par BaneForever, 28 juillet 2012 - 05:08 .

[Taboo]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Any hater who thinks that Miri looks like Michael Jackson is a ****ing douche!.... 

Miranda may not be my LI or choice, but that's just dumb, she looks nothing like Michael Jackson.  

It's a ****ing nightmare, especially with someone like me, and I think I have OCD.

I'd get it looked at if it's worrying you. OCD will get progressivly worse if you don't take steps to treat it. I'd suggest seeing a psychologist about it.

And I don't mean this in a derogatory manner either. It'll help a great deal if you're diagnosed and take steps to treat it with therapy and medication.

And then you can use that energy for something positive, like your art.

If you have OCD, you need to take control of it before it controls you.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 28 juillet 2012 - 05:24 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I have no money for a psychologist, therapist, psychiatrist, etc, and I have no health/medical insurance. So I'm pretty much ****ed.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 28 juillet 2012 - 05:28 .

[Taboo]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I have no money for a psychologist, therapist, psychiatrist, etc, and I have no health/medical insurance. So I'm pretty much ****ed.

Then I'd be happy to talk to you about it.

But you have to want help before I can do anything.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Taboo-XX wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I have no money for a psychologist, therapist, psychiatrist, etc, and I have no health/medical insurance. So I'm pretty much ****ed.

Then I'd be happy to talk to you about it.

But you have to want help before I can do anything.

It'll have to wait til later. It's 1:31am

[Taboo]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I have no money for a psychologist, therapist, psychiatrist, etc, and I have no health/medical insurance. So I'm pretty much ****ed.

Then I'd be happy to talk to you about it.

But you have to want help before I can do anything.

It'll have to wait til later. It's 1:31am

Let me know when you want to talk about it. Just send me a PM.

[Dr. Doctor]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

Miranda has a large role, relatively speaking. It's just that a lot of her lines feel like padding. They add nothing. Jay needed a good editor.

I think he had a lot of help from Weekes to even get this to the state it's in now (the other version of the 3rd dialogue in the sound files is a disaster compared with the version we have now). But the real problem is that the direction is just wrong. To the bone. And it has nothing to do with her being more open with Shepard. Of course she should be at this point.

If we ever get to see Miranda characterized properly again, it will be obvious how wrong this really was.

Unfortunately, this has some weight at the moment simply by existing.

From a writing standpoint Jay has the problem of having characters say a lot while doing very little. Things that would otherwise be important (Miranda suddenly being TIM's former second in command) are treated as off hand remarks. It seems like he ran short on ideas for what to talk about and just put lines in to fill up the required space. Plus there's a disconnect between what Jay characterizes Miranda as and what the Codex and other entries depict her as.

For the guy's first crack at writing it isn't bad, I'm just curious who decided giving the guy who used to manage the forums a major character from ME2 to write was a good idea.

[LanceSolous13]

Mr Massakka wrote...

krukow wrote...


She brought it up in ME2, but it was never really discussed or the ramifications of it.  I like how she realized that it's the same thing her father would have done, and how easily it would have been to go down his path.  It added some extra depth to her character.  And again, just because she mentioned it in ME2, doesn't mean it was resolved.  She finally got closure on the whole thing with Shepard forgiving her or the other choice that I've never picked (so I have no idea what happens).

I'm not saying it's as great as some of the stuff in ME1 or 2, but it's some decent character growth in a game where that's usually limited to squadmates

I never saw that chip as something such important anyway: I understood the consideration, she said she regretted it after she saw who Shepard really is. That thing was done for me.

Considering the situation they are in, I would have thought about a talk about something more meaningful: There is a Reaper war going on, Earth is in ruins, Cerberus (the company she spent her whole adult life in) has gone crazy, she is infertile, they don't even know if they can ever be together as busy as they are... Something out of that category.

The control chip is just such a minor point to talk about in that situation.

Honestly, There were better things for her to confess to Shepard.

Like, She explains how she isn't the person Shepard should be with, confessing that she didn't think their relationship would go further than the Suicide Mission, and Shepard can push her on this on how much her cares for her and then she confesses about her lack of ability to give life and how much this hurts her (Something that has never been discussed and only mentioned in a text wall from a DLC Package) or something.

This can provide an exit for those who want one (Not many here would be I don't see why not as the other romances have exits) and give us the character development she needs.

So, cut to black, open to Shepard and Miranda cuddling in bed after the fact, having some reasuring conversaion and Shepard gets up to put his pants and ete back on and kisses Miranda (similar fasion to the ones during the Normandy Romance Scenes) before leaving. Reputation +2 and War Asset Update.

[Ieldra]

BaneForever wrote...
I haven't posted on this thread in a long time. Really wished that Miranda had been a squadmate and that Orianna kidnapping was done differently. They could have gave Miranda a cross between phantom armor and Kai Leng armor if she had been a squadmate

Yeah, we all wish that. Miranda's writing in ME3 adds nothing to her and compromises beloved traits. Kai Leng's outfit though is forever tainted by...well...Kai Leng.

Where's that ballerina picture when we need it.

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

If it were me, I'd have made Miranda a temp for Cronos. Cut the second convo and some of the Sanctuary logs and you could probably eve make the line budget.

It's funny, for a while leading up to and following the release of the game, the ign ME3 guide stated that Miranda would appear in one or two priority missions, depending on the romance. Eventually that was edited. I remember thinking it was odd at the time.

Somebody else who thought the script had to be incomplete probably lol

You mean, like....everyone? I was 100% convinced we'd get more out of the scene with her father until someone leaked the sound files from the space edition. I was 100% convinced we'd get a scene with her at TIM's base until the detailed script was leaked, and I found it hard to to believe that she wouldn't be even after that.

BTW, technically, she does appear in a priority mission...

[LanceSolous13]

Ieldra2 wrote...

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

If it were me, I'd have made Miranda a temp for Cronos. Cut the second convo and some of the Sanctuary logs and you could probably eve make the line budget.

It's funny, for a while leading up to and following the release of the game, the ign ME3 guide stated that Miranda would appear in one or two priority missions, depending on the romance. Eventually that was edited. I remember thinking it was odd at the time.

Somebody else who thought the script had to be incomplete probably lol

You mean, like....everyone? I was 100% convinced we'd get more out of the scene with her father until someone leaked the sound files from the space edition. I was 100% convinced we'd get a scene with her at TIM's base until the detailed script was leaked, and I found it hard to to believe that she wouldn't be even after that.

BTW, technically, she does appear in a priority mission...

Can someone link me to the sounds files?

[Ieldra]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
EDI: Cerberus is going to vent the atmosphere from the hangar!

Shepard: But we're wearing suits with integrated oxygen supplies and you don't need to breathe.

James: We're gonna get sucked out into space!

Shepard: We've got electromagnetic boots. Seriously, did the Alliance stop training for boarding actions while I was away?

You know those people who analyze movies for mistakes? Someone should do that for ME2 and ME3. It would be a treasure trove.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I remember when the leak happened. It wasn't so much rage as nausea and denial. We were so convinced that her role was incomplete, that there was a confrontation were her father, that her survival would lead to new options. Only her role was complete. More fool us.

Yeah. Completely fooled. It's been almost ten months, and I still can't understand why they didn't use the obvious opportunity to wrap up Miranda's story arc at Cronos Station. It's practically screaming to happen. Every time I walk into TIM's HQ, I expect to see Miranda there to end her story where it began at the start of ME2. It's a cognitive dissonance.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Thought: the genophage is always cured as a result of Synthesis. Does that mean Miranda's infertility is now curable?

As I see it, it was always curable. That medical report in LotSB made no sense. A benign neoplasm? Really, you can remove most of those today. Often people just don't bother because it doesn't do any damage. Even if there was something deeper behind it - given the medical advances in the ME universe, it's just not plausible that she couldn't have herself cured.

As for Synthesis, I would think that yes, whatever contrived circumstance prevented a cure before, post-Synthesis it would soon cease to be a problem. On the other hand, the genophage cure is not an immediate result of Synthesis, so it might take some time to discover the solution.

[LanceSolous13]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Thought: the genophage is always cured as a result of Synthesis. Does that mean Miranda's infertility is now curable?

As I see it, it was always curable. That medical report in LotSB made no sense. A benign neoplasm? Really, you can remove most of those today. Often people just don't bother because it doesn't do any damage. Even if there was something deeper behind it - given the medical advances in the ME universe, it's just not plausible that she couldn't have herself cured.

As for Synthesis, I would think that yes, whatever contrived circumstance prevented a cure before, post-Synthesis it would soon cease to be a problem. On the other hand, the genophage cure is not an immediate result of Synthesis, so it might take some time to discover the solution.

And this is why Miranda should have confessed her infirtility instead of the Control Chip. We could have gotten an answer on why she never got herself cured! Like, It un-cures itself or something to that extent if she gets it fixed.

[Ieldra]

krukow wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

krukow wrote...
...um, why?  I mean, it's irritating that she doesn't come on board the Normandy and join up (I feel conventional victory would have been possible if I had my Ash/Miri squad), but she's still a pretty cool character.  She just wants to save her sister, that's sorta normal during war...

Because there's more to her than her sister. All her goals all her ideas about helping humanity and advancing it are nowhere to be found. And what about her time with Cerberus? Decades spent working for an organization who eventually become space Naz!s and no comment? No reflection? Does she really have nothing to say?

It's an annoyance for most of us.

Of course not all of us rush to kill characters we don't like arbitrarily. That's just a more extreme expression of distaste.

true, I can appreciate that.  I always just saw it as a function of her having such limited screen time, and characters having limited time in general (like Ashely not ever mentioning her religious beliefs), instead of her character being changed.  I choose to headcanon that she's the same, just a lot of stuff isn't fleshed out in this game (just like I do with Ashely.  hmmmm, noticing a pattern...)

I guess we all do the same. The problem in Miranda's case is that the main storyline is written in a way that screams for Miranda to take part and comment, to reflect on her time with Cerberus and how her ideals were perverted, and to actively help (instead of accidentally) to bring them down. I recall when we first heard that Cerberus was to be a main antagonist in ME3, that we all thought Miranda's chances to play a major role would be almost 100%. It wouldn't have taken much. Just add her to Cronos Station.

[BaneForever]

The armor I was talking about I saw on deviantart. It was mainly phantom armor with added shoulder guards.

Modifié par BaneForever, 28 juillet 2012 - 08:17 .

[Ieldra]

wright1978 wrote...

jtav wrote...

ME2 Miranda was a character who had ideas and ideals. flemm called her "the thinking man's knockout." She was ambitious with a vision of human advancement that didn't involve constant atrocities. ME3 Miranda doesn't have a thought in that pretty head of hers that doesn't involve Ori or the romance. Yes, it's good that she loves her sister, but that isn't remarkable or unique.I feel as if I'm being asked to like her because she isn't a sociopath. The lack of joining up isn't a problem. Her lack of ideals is.

Like i said i think they wanted her uncontroversial to generate sympathy for death sequence. Therefore i dig my heels in like a mule and will never give them that satisfaction ever. I just have to head canon lots of deep pillow talk.

I'm the same. I haven't yet played a game with Miranda dead and very likely I never will. And should I do that one day against all odds, I'll be sure to switch off the game feedback first so that won't appear in their statistics. Petty, I know. It's more for my peace of mind. 

[kwits18]

havnt looked up on it much but are they gonna change miranda's role in ME3? i so want her to be in my squad at the end. :/

[Stalker]

kwits18 wrote...

havnt looked up on it much but are they gonna change miranda's role in ME3? i so want her to be in my squad at the end. :/

No, they won't. 

Best bet is a DLC with a mission that involves her or evolves around her. She will never be a full-time squadmate, though.

[kaymarierose]

 Ok..so this my very first ever attempt at using XNALara:

Just for context, Shepard is sitting on the edge of his bed upon the Normandy and Miranda is kneeling on the bed behind him. So far I didn't change too much on Miranda's face (which is why you can't really see it), she has a slight smile and is looking at him.



What do you think? 

[LanceSolous13]

kaymarierose wrote...

 Ok..so this my very first ever attempt at using XNALara:

Just for context, Shepard is sitting on the edge of his bed upon the Normandy and Miranda is kneeling on the bed behind him. So far I didn't change too much on Miranda's face (which is why you can't really see it), she has a slight smile and is looking at him.

*snip*

What do you think? 

The smile/his facial expression creeps me out...

[kwits18]

i like it alot! only wish they would actually add those moments in ME3.. and ya shepards smile is a little creepy

Modifié par kwits18, 28 juillet 2012 - 08:30 .