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[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...

No it really doesn't because Niket's dialouge contradicts that. She took a baby when she left.

It's entirely possible she ran and came back and Henry grew a child just in case. When she learned about this she made steps to leave again, this time with Niket's help.

There's no contradiction. Niket helped Miranda escape. Miranda came back for Orianna, but didn't consult Niket about it. Orianna was a baby at this point because she had been created to replace Miranda after she fled.

Based on the ME2 dialogue, one could hesitate as to whether or not Miranda initially fled with Orianna (with Niket's help) while somehow concealing this fact from Niket. However, the ME3 dialogue confirms that Miranda's initial escape and her return for Orianna were two separate events.

Modifié par flemm, 29 juillet 2012 - 11:19 .

[Taboo]

flemm wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

No it really doesn't because Niket's dialouge contradicts that. She took a baby when she left.

It's entirely possible she ran and came back and Henry grew a child just in case. When she learned about this she made steps to leave again, this time with Niket's help.

There's no contradiction. Niket helped Miranda escape. Miranda came back for Orianna, but didn't consult Niket about it.

Based on the ME2 dialogue, one could hesitate as to whether or Miranda initially fled with Orianna (with Niket's help) while somehow concealing this fact from Niket. However, the ME3 dialogue confirms that Miranda's initial escape and her return for Orianna were two separate events.

Were was this? I don't recall hearing about it. This is news to me.

[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Were was this? I don't recall hearing about it. This is news to me.

To put it another way, based on ME2 dialogue alone, two different interpretations were possible.

1) Miranda fled with Niket's help, but took Orianna with her at the same time while somehow concealing this fact from Niket.

2) Miranda fled with Niket's help, and returned later for Orianna, but without consulting Niket.

In ME3, the third conversation makes it clear that Miranda's initial rebellion and her return for Orianna were two separate events, thus confirming interpretation #2.

Modifié par flemm, 29 juillet 2012 - 11:22 .

[Taboo]

Huh. Thanks for that, really.

I don't remember that at all. Which dialogue options are you choosing?

All I remember is the talk about the resources and the control chip.

[hot_heart]

"After I got out of there, I couldn't stand by and let it happen to my sister. I risked my life to get her away from all that."

[Taboo]

And there it is. Thank you. I'm appaled with myself for not picking that up.

But he still started growing her when she was a teenager. She ran when she was sixteen. That brings me back to how long it took to grow these children.

She had to know that he would replace her.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 29 juillet 2012 - 11:37 .

[Rick Lewis]

Just dropping in to show my support for my fellow Mirimancers out there.Here's to hoping for some DLC with more Miranda involved. I love her as much as one can a fictional character.

[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...

And there it is. Thank you. I'm appaled with myself for not picking that up.

Why? This is a discussion forum. We are not here to try to "one up" each other, but ideally to gain an understanding via conversation.

Since Orianna is a baby when Miranda "liberates" her, it's plausible that her creation post-dates Miranda's rebellion.

Taboo-XX wrote...

She had to know that he would replace her.

I think that makes sense. It might explain Miranda's vigilance with regard to Orianna's creation.

Modifié par flemm, 29 juillet 2012 - 11:53 .

[Taboo]

flemm wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

And there it is. Thank you. I'm appaled with myself for not picking that up.

Why? This is a discussion forum. We are not here to try to "one up" each other, but ideally to gain an understanding via conversation.

Since Orianna is a baby when Miranda "liberates" her, it's plausible that her creation post-dates Miranda's rebellion.

Oh, no, don't take it that way. I always enjoy talking with you.

It's my job to make sure things are perfect for my employers. It's...just frustrating to me that's all. I'm mad at myself, not you.

Making mistakes is not an option.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 29 juillet 2012 - 11:58 .

[hot_heart]

We are going to have to relieve you of your Miranda Fandom Club Card though. Sorry.

[Taboo]

hot_heart wrote...

We are going to have to relieve you of your Miranda Fandom Club Card though. Sorry.

I'm afraid it's removal will cause a reaction that killing all Miranda fans. It will not discriminate. It will also heavily damage the BSN.

Who else will be her white knight in the story section?

I've unfortunately become famous ( or if you prefer infamous) over there for that.

Someone actually started a thread after the EC was realeased asking if I had found Miranda.

I have never been so humbled and creeped out at the same time.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 30 juillet 2012 - 12:15 .

[LanceSolous13]

I just thought of a rather....disturbing parallel.

Henry Lawson is no different than a player creating a new character for Mass Effect.

Think about it. Has it ever happened to you that you create a character for ME or any other game with character creation. You like how they look in the tutorial zone. But then, Your suddenly in the main game. Maybe its the lighting. Maybe you just never noticed. But now there's that one thing about their face or their body that is constantly bugging you. So, what do you do? You delete them and rebuild them to avoid that one flaw which is keeping them from being "Perfect".

This, in my mind, explains to me why Henry was so willing to despose of Miranda so late after development instead of simply fixing the issue herself. All those before her were no more disposable than a used napkin; Why would Miranda be any different?

And, because he tried to eliminate her so late after development, Miranda was smart and resouceful enough to escape and, later, foil her father.

[Taboo]

That would be called OCD mate. It happens. Trust me.

But I always use Sheploo, so this isn't an issue.

[hot_heart]

LanceSolous13 wrote...
You delete them and rebuild them to avoid that one flaw which is keeping them from being "Perfect".

Hey, don't judge me! I'd let the Collectors blow up Shepard as many times as they like. I will not have a character whose cheekbones look like they could cut glass whenever they get angry.

Modifié par hot_heart, 30 juillet 2012 - 12:15 .

[LanceSolous13]

Taboo-XX wrote...

That would be called OCD mate. It happens. Trust me.

But I always use Sheploo, so this isn't an issue.

I wouldn't say its OCD when it comes to making a really really bad mistake in the character creation. My first Shepard (Which I didn't get fixed till ME3) had, like, Gorilla Brows. They were jutting stright out of his head. Not THAT noticible in ME1 but they were really visable in ME2. Come ME3, It looked like he had a Tumor there. In the first two games, It just looked like he was glaring at you constantly, but in ME3 it was like "Dude, Are you ok?" O . o lol

Though, ME3 always has import issues for me. Like, they don't have the Violet eye color in ME3 so it defaults it to Emerald or something. Other issues came up similar to that.

[Taboo]

The Sheploo model is of a higher quality. The textures are far, far, better.

I can't use a custom Shepard. Sheploo IS Shepard for me.

[LanceSolous13]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The Sheploo model is of a higher quality. The textures are far, far, better.

I can't use a custom Shepard. Sheploo IS Shepard for me.

And I can respect that. He even has different injuries at the end of ME3.

[krukow]

I used sheploo till I found out he helped inspire zoolander. Then I had a totally different take on most of shep's lines...

Modifié par krukow, 30 juillet 2012 - 12:40 .

[Taboo]

krukow wrote...

I used sheploo till I found out he helped inspire zoolander. Then I had a totally different take on most if shep's lines...

David Bowie has a cameo in that movie. I would play with the default if it was him.

The lols that would be had.

And I've seen ALL of David Bowie. 

So I beat your nonsense. 

[krukow]

Ah yes, "David Bowie". We've dismissed that claim.

...unless he's Tesla Bowie

[Taboo]

He's as thin as Miranda is in The Man Who Fell to Earth. Ever want to see how to mix Science Fiction and Art? Look at that film.



I think the scene in the engine room would be outright hilarious with that model.

[Homie-Wan]

Hi there, Im new to the BSN but I thought I'd just drop by and show my support. I'm a huge Miranda fan,

thought i'd post this pic too, apparently theres a modder going by the name of Jediyoshi whos been putting together some really cool screenshots, this being my favorite

[Taboo]

Welcome.

That's a great screen by the way. If only Miranda had actually done that to Kai Leng.

Had he not had immunity from actual harm in cutscenes, I can see Miranda setting a trap for him.

[LanceSolous13]

I sort of wonder what Miranda's previous interactions with Leng were. You know, before ME3. What casues her to call him a 'slippery bastard'? I know he is one, but what makes her believe that.

Could be an interesting story to tell there.

[Taboo]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I sort of wonder what Miranda's previous interactions with Leng were. You know, before ME3. What casues her to call him a 'slippery bastard'? I know he is one, but what makes her believe that.

Could be an interesting story to tell there.

That's actually a fair description. He's a bastard and he's slippery. He runs anytime **** gets too rough for him.

I would think she would be aware of Kai Leng's status as TIMs top assassin.

And being Miranda, she made preparations accordingly when you warned her. Which you should always do.