flemm wrote...
I can't say I care much about the fade to black. Not that I would mind a longer scene, but other things are more important.
Skullheart wrote...
Legion and Mordin have more content, and quality than her.
And Miranda might be the only ME2 character with almost no grow. The rest of the characters are better than what they were in ME2, Miranda is worse than what she was in ME2.
MisterJB wrote...
I was replaying Sanctuary and I just so happened to bring Ashley this time. She had a very curious comment that makes me weep for the lack of interaction between her and Miranda.
"This guy is someone's father? I can't believe it."
The guy in questions is, naturally, Henry Lawson. This brough to mind the previous assessment we had made of Miranda and Ashley being as different as ice and fire, brain and heart, etc while still being both incredibly tough and driven women.
And here is another layer. Ashley and Miranda were both shaped by their relationships with their fathers but while Ashley's was positive, Miranda's was negative.
I wish they could have conversed.
wright1978 wrote...
flemm wrote...
I can't say I care much about the fade to black. Not that I would mind a longer scene, but other things are more important.
I don't care about the lack of love scene. I do care about being plopped outside the apartment. Give me a parting cinematic sequence too and i won't care about the bit in the middle being a fade to black.
.kaymarierose wrote...
enayasoul wrote...
These are simply lovely! I like them. Can I get one of them about to kiss? :innocent: Or kissing? I wish I had time to play around with that program. Looks like fun!
Pursing lips is harder than making them smile. Anyways, here it is.
I had hoped to the last moment that we'd see Miranda at TIM's base.LanceSolous13 wrote...
wright1978 wrote...
flemm wrote...
I can't say I care much about the fade to black. Not that I would mind a longer scene, but other things are more important.
I don't care about the lack of love scene. I do care about being plopped outside the apartment. Give me a parting cinematic sequence too and i won't care about the bit in the middle being a fade to black.
And this is why her joining Shepard on the Normandy is needed. When I saw this, I was under the full impression that they were teasing us in a way and we'd get some romantic pillow talk later in the game...
QFT.wright1978 wrote...
Really whoever banned her from having any role in Cerberus arc is an idiot.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:09 .
Thracecius wrote...
.kaymarierose wrote...
enayasoul wrote...
These are simply lovely! I like them. Can I get one of them about to kiss? :innocent: Or kissing? I wish I had time to play around with that program. Looks like fun!
Pursing lips is harder than making them smile. Anyways, here it is.
*snip*
Amazing! Thank you so much for sharing!
Suggestion? Try turning down the light level to something more comfortable for the scene. It's too bright in there.
I hate this talk of "humanizing" Miranda. As if being sentimental is somehow a virtue, and being detached somehow inhuman. Hmph.Taboo-XX wrote...
People have a tendency to overlook things in characters that they don't like.
The aspect of Miranda that was shown in ME3 was always there, whether people will admit it or not. The character took this direction and it's upset people.
Unfortunately you must take this into account when doing character analysis. It's more than evident that Miranda knows that something is up with her father, but when she realized he was involved with Cerberus she kicked into high gear. She gets the job done and it DOES affect the war effort, but not in the capacity most people would like.
I'm not particularly happy about her limited involvement, but I'm not furious that whomever wrote her in ME3 humanized her more. Her motivations now represent EVERY aspect of her personality in ME3, it's just now one takes precedence over the other.
Ieldra2 wrote...
I hate this talk of "humanizing" Miranda. As if being sentimental is somehow a virtue, and being detached somehow inhuman. Hmph.
Sifr1449 wrote...
Cerberus definitely wasn't helping Miranda deal with her issues, she simply traded one overbearing and demanding father-figure for another.
Shepard was the first person in her life who had direct authority over her, but didn't ask for anything in return except her friendship.
In many ways, Miranda is very similar to Jack. You can see through the second game both are asking themselves what this guy's deal is and what does he want from them, waiting for the moment where he'll eventually decide to use them for his own advantage and betray them... which Shepard never does.
That moment of realisation for Miranda that she's actually looking at someone who truly cares about her, is something I doubt she's ever experienced before. More than likely, every overture of friendship with her has likely always had some caveat or price she's eventually had to pay for trusting someone, like with Niket.
Yes, but not to the exclusion of everything else. ME2 Miranda had a healthy balance. I like her LM because it creates that balance. ME3 Miranda is completely one-sided.lillitheris wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
I hate this talk of "humanizing" Miranda. As if being sentimental is somehow a virtue, and being detached somehow inhuman. Hmph.
A completely detached person is what’s known as a ‘psychopath’. In that light, yes, it’s good to see (positive) emotion.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:00 .
She does die regardless in all non-imported games. I get the impression that Miranda dying is the story they wanted to tell and they added her survival as a bonus for her fans. Only it isn't that much of one since her role just peters out into nothing after that. It even affects the War Assets. Of the surviving ME2 LIs, Jacob brings the Cerberus scientists and Jack brings her students. Miranda brings just herself.Taboo-XX wrote...
Skullheart wrote...
Miranda main purpose in the game was to die, to make the new players feel sad about a character.
Considering the higher amount of sales will come from the established fan base I would say that this is false.
If this was the case she would have died regardless.
Ieldra2 wrote...
She does die regardless in all non-imported games. I get the impression that Miranda dying is the story they wanted to tell and they added her survival as a bonus for her fans. Only it isn't that much of one since her role just peters out into nothing after that. It even affects the War Assets. Of the surviving ME2 LIs, Jacob brings the Cerberus scientists and Jack brings her students. Miranda brings just herself.Taboo-XX wrote...
Skullheart wrote...
Miranda main purpose in the game was to die, to make the new players feel sad about a character.
Considering the higher amount of sales will come from the established fan base I would say that this is false.
If this was the case she would have died regardless.
It's a flaw in the design. Jacob was designed to bring some assets to the war. Miranda was not. Why? As second-in-command she had a power base in Cerberus. They could've easily given her some Cerberus renegades. Of course that would have meant involving her in the Cerberus arc..... It all comes back to that.LanceSolous13 wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
She does die regardless in all non-imported games. I get the impression that Miranda dying is the story they wanted to tell and they added her survival as a bonus for her fans. Only it isn't that much of one since her role just peters out into nothing after that. It even affects the War Assets. Of the surviving ME2 LIs, Jacob brings the Cerberus scientists and Jack brings her students. Miranda brings just herself.Taboo-XX wrote...
Skullheart wrote...
Miranda main purpose in the game was to die, to make the new players feel sad about a character.
Considering the higher amount of sales will come from the established fan base I would say that this is false.
If this was the case she would have died regardless.
To be fair though, Considering what happens in ME3, Who could she have brought? All she has is Shepard and Ori.
Ieldra2 wrote...
It's a flaw in the design. Jacob was designed to bring some assets to the war. Miranda was not. Why? As second-in-command she had a power base in Cerberus. They could've easily given her some Cerberus renegades. Of course that would have meant involving her in the Cerberus arc..... It all comes back to that.LanceSolous13 wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
She does die regardless in all non-imported games. I get the impression that Miranda dying is the story they wanted to tell and they added her survival as a bonus for her fans. Only it isn't that much of one since her role just peters out into nothing after that. It even affects the War Assets. Of the surviving ME2 LIs, Jacob brings the Cerberus scientists and Jack brings her students. Miranda brings just herself.Taboo-XX wrote...
Skullheart wrote...
Miranda main purpose in the game was to die, to make the new players feel sad about a character.
Considering the higher amount of sales will come from the established fan base I would say that this is false.
If this was the case she would have died regardless.
To be fair though, Considering what happens in ME3, Who could she have brought? All she has is Shepard and Ori.
Modifié par hot_heart, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:34 .
Can you leave off with the ending proselytizing please? I can headcanon a happy ending with any of the options.krukow wrote...
Legion and Mordin have more content because their stuff is directly plot related.
They both die too, so call it a push.
And I don't think Miranda is worse, just different. I wish they'd expanded on her leaving cerberus and how it betrayed her ideals, but it is what it is...
Top Miri cuz I CAN
Seriously, how can you see that and then not shoot the tube??
No, it doesn't make a difference. And perhaps they were afraid they would accidentally get over the 4K threshold with their maximum assets. Because the inability to reach 4K EMS without MP was put in intentionally to make people play MP, I'd take any bet. Of course they'd never admit it.hot_heart wrote...
Well, even so, you'd think the rogue squad she has would count for something.
Honest question, I suppose the tracer on Kai Leng limiting losses when attacking Cronos doesn't make a difference, does it?
I guess at some stage they just got muddled with all the war asset numbers.
Ieldra2 wrote...
It's a flaw in the design. Jacob was designed to bring some assets to the war. Miranda was not. Why? As second-in-command she had a power base in Cerberus. They could've easily given her some Cerberus renegades. Of course that would have meant involving her in the Cerberus arc..... It all comes back to that.LanceSolous13 wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
She does die regardless in all non-imported games. I get the impression that Miranda dying is the story they wanted to tell and they added her survival as a bonus for her fans. Only it isn't that much of one since her role just peters out into nothing after that. It even affects the War Assets. Of the surviving ME2 LIs, Jacob brings the Cerberus scientists and Jack brings her students. Miranda brings just herself.Taboo-XX wrote...
Skullheart wrote...
Miranda main purpose in the game was to die, to make the new players feel sad about a character.
Considering the higher amount of sales will come from the established fan base I would say that this is false.
If this was the case she would have died regardless.
To be fair though, Considering what happens in ME3, Who could she have brought? All she has is Shepard and Ori.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.Ieldra2 wrote...
No, it doesn't make a difference. And perhaps they were afraid they would accidentally get over the 4K threshold with their maximum assets. Because the inability to reach 4K EMS without MP was put in intentionally to make people play MP, I'd take any bet. Of course they'd never admit it.
Modifié par hot_heart, 31 juillet 2012 - 11:46 .
Well, I think that her father working for Cerberus (with or without kidnapping Oriana) is a great way to introduce her into the Cerberus plot.wright1978 wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
It's a flaw in the design. Jacob was designed to bring some assets to the war. Miranda was not. Why? As second-in-command she had a power base in Cerberus. They could've easily given her some Cerberus renegades. Of course that would have meant involving her in the Cerberus arc..... It all comes back to that.LanceSolous13 wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
She does die regardless in all non-imported games. I get the impression that Miranda dying is the story they wanted to tell and they added her survival as a bonus for her fans. Only it isn't that much of one since her role just peters out into nothing after that. It even affects the War Assets. Of the surviving ME2 LIs, Jacob brings the Cerberus scientists and Jack brings her students. Miranda brings just herself.Taboo-XX wrote...
Skullheart wrote...
Miranda main purpose in the game was to die, to make the new players feel sad about a character.
Considering the higher amount of sales will come from the established fan base I would say that this is false.
If this was the case she would have died regardless.
To be fair though, Considering what happens in ME3, Who could she have brought? All she has is Shepard and Ori.
I've said it before but her cerberus renegades should have been the starting point for her content, rather than added in as a last minute afterthought when they realised how badly her material was going down. Some might not have liked her choosing to lead her own squad rather than rejoin the normandy but it makes much more sense than what currently exists.
Modifié par Mr Massakka, 31 juillet 2012 - 12:57 .
LanceSolous13 wrote...
To be fair though, Considering what happens in ME3, Who could she have brought?
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