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[o Ventus]

krukow wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...


I'm already famous (or infamous if you prefer) in the story section for Miranda and debating you.

I've been doing the same thing in the story boards, and for longer.

I'm actually more famous for my TLDR posts about what art is and how badly Bioware ****ed up. I got bum raps for that too.

But do you get PMs whenever a Miranda thread pops up? People send me links and everything. I haven't decided if it's creepy or hilarious.

All I ever really wanted was an ending that wasn't gob smackingly awful.

That's because your posts are silly.  Didn't you watch the EC?  Shepard clearly wakes up at the end, after the citadel is rebuilt.  Clearly he was in a coma for months/years and was in a yet undiscovered part of the citadel and nobody knows it!

Back to Miri, does anyone know if you can take Jack's side in the arguement, but then persuade Miri to be loyal again later?  I know you can with Jack if your renegade score is high enough.  I'm not planning to do it (since Miranda is clearly in the right), but does anyone know if it's possible?

Yeah you can, but IIRC, the paragon/renegade check is higher than if you resolved it beforehand. And if you romanced either of them but sided with the other, the relationship cannot be restarted.

[flemm]

krukow wrote...

Back to Miri, does anyone know if you can take Jack's side in the arguement, but then persuade Miri to be loyal again later?  I know you can with Jack if your renegade score is high enough.  I'm not planning to do it (since Miranda is clearly in the right), but does anyone know if it's possible?

It's possible. Works in a similar fashion, I believe.

[flemm]

Aliqaiser wrote...

Great job, love the different pose's and expression's.
I like this one. the expressions are really good. 

Very cool. Just quoting to get it on the new page

[jtav]

Really nice.

[Taboo]

krukow wrote...

Didn't you watch the EC?  Shepard clearly wakes up at the end, after the citadel is rebuilt.  Clearly he was in a coma for months/years and was in a yet undiscovered part of the citadel and nobody knows it!

Does this prove the HT (Hibernation Theory)?

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

krukow wrote...

Didn't you watch the EC?  Shepard clearly wakes up at the end, after the citadel is rebuilt.  Clearly he was in a coma for months/years and was in a yet undiscovered part of the citadel and nobody knows it!

Does this prove the HT (Hibernation Theory)?

They still haven't disproved the intoxication theory

brainstorm: What if being drunk makes it harder to indoctrinate? 

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:12 .

[krukow]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

krukow wrote...

Didn't you watch the EC?  Shepard clearly wakes up at the end, after the citadel is rebuilt.  Clearly he was in a coma for months/years and was in a yet undiscovered part of the citadel and nobody knows it!

Does this prove the HT (Hibernation Theory)?

They still haven't disproved the intoxication theory

brainstorm: What if being drunk makes it harder to indoctrinate? 

Dude, Shepard died in the rubble at the end of Mass Effect.  ME2/3 were just hallucinations as he lay dying.

[Taboo]

krukow wrote...

Dude, Shepard died in the rubble at the end of Mass Effect.  ME2/3 were just hallucinations as he lay dying.

Does this prove the DLT (David Lynch Theory)?

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

krukow wrote...

Dude, Shepard died in the rubble at the end of Mass Effect.  ME2/3 were just hallucinations as he lay dying.

Does this prove the DLT (David Lynch Theory)?

The original endings made David Lynch sad

He clearly wanted a reunion scene with Miri and he didn't get it!

Modifié par krukow, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:18 .

[Taboo]

krukow wrote...

The original endings made David Lynch sad

He clearly wanted a reunion scene with Miri and he didn't get it!

Come to think of it Eraserhead was easier to understand than the mess they made me watch.

OT somewhat, seeing as the MP operation was successful I'll be getting one of those N7 classes now. I hear they're ridiculously OP. But how OP are they?

I would however pay for a sword in SP for my Vanguard, if only to kill Kai Leng with it.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:24 .

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

krukow wrote...

The original endings made David Lynch sad

He clearly wanted a reunion scene with Miri and he didn't get it!

Come to think of it Eraserhead was easier to understand than the mess they made me watch.

OT somewhat, seeing as the MP operation was successful I'll be getting one of those N7 classes now. I hear they're ridiculously OP. But how OP are they?

I would however pay for a sword in SP for my Vanguard, if only to kill Kai Leng with it.

I'd pay for DLC where Miranda kills Kai Leng and the cerberus mission ends with me talking to illusive man and then renegade interrupting to tell the VI that "I'll stop them."

It still irritates me that someone as awesome as Miranda can be killed by someone I'm not convinced would be a high level boss in Deus Ex...

[Taboo]

Mac Walters wrote Kai Leng. Everything just goes wrong as soon as he gets involved. I had no idea of who Kai Leng was before someone posted a screen cap of him and I had to Google him. Turns out he WASN'T the badass everyone said he was.

But I would pay for DLC that reinserted the VS or Liara choice.

And I mean that. I would do it just to spite Walters.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:29 .

[Stalker]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Mac Walters wrote Kai Leng. Everything just goes wrong as soon as he gets involved.

Agreed with that.
Just look at the lead-writers of the trilogy and compare the quality that was delivered:
ME1: Drew
ME2: Drew and Walters
ME3: Walters
I see a very obvious pattern there.

What also brings up a wild speculation: Could it be that the only thing that "felt" completely right, Tuchanka, wasn't written by him?

[Vertigo_1]

Mr Massakka wrote...
What also brings up a wild speculation: Could it be that the only thing that "felt" completely right, Tuchanka, wasn't written by him?

Well yeah that wasn't written by Mac Walters, but by senior writer John Dombrow (along with Thessia, etc)

Check out what else he wrote in ME3 (he wrote Overlord DLC btw):

ca.linkedin.com/pub/john-dombrow/5/a94/785

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:45 .

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Yep. Tuchanka was written by John Dombrow with Patrick Weekes. Mac Walters can't write. He did the opening mission, mars, the Cerberus coup and probably the endings.

[krukow]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Yep. Tuchanka was written by John Dombrow with Patrick Weekes. Mac Walters can't write. He did the opening mission, mars, the Cerberus coup and probably the endings.

I know we have a hate-on for Walters, but Mars and the Coup were actually pretty fun.  Pretty emotionally engaging if your an ash/kaidanmancer too.

...could see why that's irrelevant on this thread, but those missions are pretty good.  Leng and the endings?  Less so...

[hot_heart]

Didn't Walters do some crit-path Miranda in ME2?

[Stalker]

Wow, I was really right. Walters is responsible for everything that was bad in ME3 and the only good things were written by someone else...  

krukow wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Yep. Tuchanka was written by John Dombrow with Patrick Weekes. Mac Walters can't write. He did the opening mission, mars, the Cerberus coup and probably the endings.

I know we have a hate-on for Walters, but Mars and the Coup were actually pretty fun. Pretty emotionally engaging if your an ash/kaidanmancer too.

...could see why that's irrelevant on this thread, but those missions are pretty good. Leng and the endings? Less so...

I wouldn't say so:
Earh was outright terrible. Don't think we have an argument there.
Mars was extraordinary good if you romanced the VS, but was a pretty awkward mission if you didn't.
The coup was really bad. After both Earth missions even the worst imo. 

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 31 juillet 2012 - 11:08 .

[Chaotic-Fusion]

krukow wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Yep. Tuchanka was written by John Dombrow with Patrick Weekes. Mac Walters can't write. He did the opening mission, mars, the Cerberus coup and probably the endings.

I know we have a hate-on for Walters, but Mars and the Coup were actually pretty fun.  Pretty emotionally engaging if your an ash/kaidanmancer too.

...could see why that's irrelevant on this thread, but those missions are pretty good.  Leng and the endings?  Less so...

I don't know. I found Mars to be pretty bland, plus it introduced the crucible, I can see why it would appeal to someone who romanced Ash/Kaidan or Liara, though. As for the Cerberus coup... I just found the whole concept unfeasible, Cerberus went from 150 operatives to being able to invade and almost assume control of the most heavily fortified place in the galaxy. Plus it had some awful moments, like everything that features Kai Leng.

[krukow]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Wow, I was really right. Walters is responsible for everything that was bad in ME3 and the only good things were written by someone else...  

krukow wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Yep. Tuchanka was written by John Dombrow with Patrick Weekes. Mac Walters can't write. He did the opening mission, mars, the Cerberus coup and probably the endings.

I know we have a hate-on for Walters, but Mars and the Coup were actually pretty fun. Pretty emotionally engaging if your an ash/kaidanmancer too.

...could see why that's irrelevant on this thread, but those missions are pretty good. Leng and the endings? Less so...

I wouldn't say so:
Earh was outright terrible. Don't think we have an argument there.
Mars was extraordinary good if you romanced the VS, but was a pretty awkward mission if you didn't.
The coup was really bad. After both Earth missions even the worst imo. 

I can see why we disagree about Mars, but why don't you like the coup?  I think it's got some cool level design, and leads to a decent showdown.  Okay, the part where Shep can't make the car flip over right quick while Kai Walters is standing on it is stupid, but other than that...

[flemm]

hot_heart wrote...

Didn't Walters do some crit-path Miranda in ME2?

Well, Walters has done a lot of stuff that people like. In ME1 he wrote Garrus and Wrex. In ME2 he wrote Miranda on the crit path, TIM I believe, as well as Archangel (it was his idea anyway) and Aria.

Basically he seems to be good at likable "bro" type characters and dark gray characters. Vega is also a "bro" type character, who people seem to like well enough.

But it seems he was in over his head in terms of trying to tie up the series in a satisfying way. It may partly be due to the fact that Hudson was asking him to write against his instincts. With Hudson wanting a space opera and Walters not being gifted for that type of storytelling (clearly ME2 was more Walters' style).

Then something weird happened with the ending. With "weird" maybe being: the two of them didn't know what to do, and so they just patterned it on Deux Ex.

Modifié par flemm, 31 juillet 2012 - 11:21 .

[Stalker]

krukow wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Wow, I was really right. Walters is responsible for everything that was bad in ME3 and the only good things were written by someone else...  

krukow wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Yep. Tuchanka was written by John Dombrow with Patrick Weekes. Mac Walters can't write. He did the opening mission, mars, the Cerberus coup and probably the endings.

I know we have a hate-on for Walters, but Mars and the Coup were actually pretty fun. Pretty emotionally engaging if your an ash/kaidanmancer too.

...could see why that's irrelevant on this thread, but those missions are pretty good. Leng and the endings? Less so...

I wouldn't say so:
Earh was outright terrible. Don't think we have an argument there.
Mars was extraordinary good if you romanced the VS, but was a pretty awkward mission if you didn't.
The coup was really bad. After both Earth missions even the worst imo. 

I can see why we disagree about Mars, but why don't you like the coup?  I think it's got some cool level design, and leads to a decent showdown.  Okay, the part where Shep can't make the car flip over right quick while Kai Walters is standing on it is stupid, but other than that...

- the whole concept: The Citadel, best guarded place in the galaxy, gets invaded by a bunch of terrorists. No coup in the world would have allowed that. The last time this happened, it took a whole Geth fleet and a living Reaper.
- Kai Leng had like 3 appearances and he is a pretty heavy negative input.

Only good thing was really the confrontation with the VS and even there, I thought the real tension was missing.
Level-design wasn't really better than ordinary, either. It just stands out between all the bland shooter sections before.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 31 juillet 2012 - 11:34 .

[hot_heart]

flemm wrote...
Well, Walters has done a lot of stuff that people like. In ME1 he wrote Garrus and Wrex. In ME2 he wrote Miranda on the crit path, TIM I believe, as well as Archangel (it was his idea anyway) and Aria.

Basically he seems to be good at likable "bro" type characters and dark gray characters. Vega is also a "bro" type character, who people seem to like well enough.

But it seems he was in over his head in terms of trying to tie up the series in a satisfying way. It may partly be due to the fact that Hudson was asking him to write against his instincts. With Hudson wanting a space opera and Walters not being gifted for that type of storytelling (clearly ME2 was more Walters' style).

Then something weird happened with the ending. With "weird" maybe being: the two of them didn't know what to do, and so they just patterned it on Deux Ex.

Yeah, I'm not too eager to pile on the hate. And you've pretty much summed up how I see it (quit doing that, I'm starting to get worried!). Clearly, everyone has their strengths and I can totally see him and Hudson at odds.

ME3 was meant to immitate ME1 in some regards, but a lot of people preferred ME2. Oh, well...

[krukow]

hot_heart wrote...

ME3 was meant to immitate ME1 in some regards, but a lot of people preferred ME2. Oh, well...

Except the ending!  ME1 Shepard got to climb out of the rubbel!!

...They did have about the same amount of Miranda

[Taboo]

Walters writing is sterile. It's focused on employing emotion through forced action. A good example is the child. His death forces an emotion on the audience and player character when it should be their choice.

It also explains why people who didn't romance Miranda think she's such a ****. Patrick Weekes is the one responsible for keeping her from a Kubrick-esque state of coldness.

That explains so much.