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[Skullheart]

off-topic:

Anyone knows some place to request a fanart piece?

I would like to see Gray Fox walking away from a defeated Leng, with Leng's sword in his hand as a prize.

Modifié par Skullheart, 01 août 2012 - 01:13 .

[Taboo]

Aliqaiser wrote...

Exactly my thought's, lets say....what could the Dialogue be.....

Get away from him b**** ?

B**** is gender specific. That would be pretty funny.

If she's romanced:

"Get away from him you bastard!"

If she isn't romanced she wouldn't say anything.

I don't know. The idea makes me laugh though.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 01 août 2012 - 01:12 .

[CrutchCricket]

Skullheart wrote...

off-topic:

Anyone knows some place to request a fanart piece?

I would like to see Gray Fox walking away from a defeated Leng, with Leng's sword in his hand as a prize.

Pfft. His sword breaks like it's made of plastic.

Nah, Gray Fox would have his ****ing head. Then he'd single handedly slice up all phantoms for stealing his backwards sword schtick.


Not one **** was given that day.

[Taboo]

That practice has existed for hundreds of years. I've seen that move before in the old samurai movies.

There is a proper way to hold a Katana also.

They are technically holding it the right way. Such things were very important to the Samurai.

The real badass was a man named Musashi Miyamoto, who was able to hold one in each hand. And he was a real guy too.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 01 août 2012 - 01:23 .

[Stalker]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

I would like to see Gray Fox walking away from a defeated Leng, with Leng's sword in his hand as a prize.

Nah, Gray Fox would have his ****ing head.

... both very interesting concepts:devil:

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 01 août 2012 - 01:33 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Looking through some concept art, apparently early on Kai Leng was supposed to have his own squad that would square off against Shepard. That would have made the Coup a lot more interesting. Also I like the Miranda-style suit the sniper has.

 

Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 01 août 2012 - 02:20 .

[Vertigo_1]

^Team fortress 2?
First thing that came to mind when I saw that heh

Oh and Deus EX HR merc group: Barret, Namir, Yelena ..

EDIT: You also see the leg implants Leng was going to have

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 01 août 2012 - 02:27 .

[LanceSolous13]

Ditto. Lol.

Might have ruined TF2 for me if they had.

[Td1984]

krukow wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

krukow wrote...



Third.  Kelly Chambers.  And at least Shep doesn't ever shoot Miranda in anyone's playthrough!!

For Kelly all you need to do is have dinner with her in ME2, then have her change her identity in ME3.

For Miranda you need to affirm the romance*, give her Alliance resources, warn her about Kai Leng, speak to her before the coup, retain her loyalty from ME2, and play Sanctuary before the mission timer runs out.

*If the romance was started in ME2. That's at least 6 things you need to make sure to do.

For Kelly:
Have dinner
Go through the relay right away (no more recruiting once the crew is captured)
Not yell at her about spying for the illusive man
Tell her to change her identity
Head canon that she didn't die anyways being on the citadel

Plus, a couple of those are non-intuitive.  Miri's stuff is pretty straight forward.  Just read your emails (to get kai leng stuff) and talk to Miri the 3 times she shows up.  I'm like Taboo in that I didn't know she could die.

Even though Tali does her best to convince me otherwise.  Stupid photo-faced tali...

I've only ever had that conversation once with her. For some reason it's never come up otherwise, no matter how much I've tried.

[CrutchCricket]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Entire team is babies!

[flemm]

^LoL






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Modifié par flemm, 01 août 2012 - 02:58 .

[MACharlie1]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Hey everyone! Got something that I've been mulling over for a while and I thought I'd pose the question here.

In Mass Effect 3, Miranda is essentially a covert operative, with specific emphasis on working under the radar. It occurred to me that it's a bit bizarre for someone operating under the radar to be wearing the same outfit she wore while under Cerberus employ (minus the Cerberus insignia). While I can't alter the model in any shape or model, what are your thoughts on heavily altering the existing outfit to something that's more subtle, and also more personable? I'm still going to be constricted by her boots, arms and belts, but I think Miranda could look more..."appropriate," for lack of a better word.

For now, have this image of a successfully ported high resolution texture from Mass Effect 2. I forgot to remove the Cerberus insignia :X

*snip*

I remember weeks ago I had the same feelings and really felt that she needed to be in something more casual. Convert her pants to something like leggings or even jeans and her top into something that resembles a leather jacket?

Perhaps go by the Kai Leng team above as reference but making it more "Alliance" like and not so much Cerberus. 

[JeanLuc761]

MACharlie1 wrote...
I remember weeks ago I had the same feelings and really felt that she needed to be in something more casual. Convert her pants to something like leggings or even jeans and her top into something that resembles a leather jacket?

Perhaps go by the Kai Leng team above as reference but making it more "Alliance" like and not so much Cerberus. 

That's almost exactly what I was thinking.  I'll try a few designs and get some feedback here 

[flemm]

hot_heart wrote...
Yeah, I'm not too eager to pile on the hate. And you've pretty much summed up how I see it (quit doing that, I'm starting to get worried!). Clearly, everyone has their strengths and I can totally see him and Hudson at odds.

Well, it would be interesting to know exactly how it went down, but I'm not sure Mac Walters was the right choice as lead writer for this particular game, given what they were trying to do with it. I've always found it odd that Walters, who always says he likes Cerberus and its moral ambiguity so much, would choose to go down this path with them, but it's probably what Hudson wanted (as it basically turns Cerberus into a Star Wars-esque antagonist).

Taboo-XX wrote...
It also explains why people who didn't romance Miranda think she's such a ****. Patrick Weekes is the one responsible for keeping her from a Kubrick-esque state of coldness.

Crit path Miranda is extremely well-written in ME2. She is intended to be a borderline antagonist, or to come across that way to some players. Other players just really like crit path Miranda a lot because she is not the type of sexy female character you typically see. Then there is the softer stuff off the crit path that is appealing in a different way.

Sometimes I think ME2 Miranda is too well-written for the character's own good. Because people tend to react very strongly a certain way and not see the value of the rest of it.

Liking and disliking can be overrated and gets talked about too much. It's not really the only or main measure of the quality of writing.

Modifié par flemm, 01 août 2012 - 04:24 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
Oh and Deus EX HR merc group: Barret, Namir, Yelena ..

EDIT: You also see the leg implants Leng was going to have

 I like the idea of Leng having a squad that's a dark version of Shepard's. How much cooler would the Coup be if you were fighting against opponents who were the same caliber as the team?

With Miranda I really like the idea of having her be the leader of the rogue cell on Gellix instead of Brinn Cole in playthroughs where she survives the SM.  The scientists and the projects they're working on are all that's left of the organization that she believed in and TIM's attack on the base threatens to destroy all of that. 

[Taboo]

flemm wrote...

Crit path Miranda is extremely well-written in ME2. She is intended to be a borderline antagonist, or to come across that way to some players. Other players just really like crit path Miranda a lot because she is not the type of sexy female character you typically see. Then there is the softer stuff off the crit path that is appealing in a different way.

Sometimes I think ME2 Miranda is too well-written for the character's own good. Because people tend to react very strongly a certain way and not see the value of the rest of it.

Liking and disliking can be overrated and gets talked about too much. It's not really the only or main measure of the quality of writing.

I don't dislike it, however it's evidence enough to show you how fractured the character can be if you don't take all aspects into account.

Character analysis requires ALL aspects of a character to be acknowledged. You cannot take one and make it have precedence over another. People have a tendency to only look at negatives first, and if they don't like what they see they disregard the entire character.

When looking at Miranda you need to take everything into account. Disregarding one aspect is not how you do things. ALL things need to be taken into account even if you don't like them.

The Miranda in ME2 was balanced and it worked magnificently, appealing to all sorts of people. The Miranda in ME3 was in ME2 in some aspects, but one aspect takes precedence over the other.

Some people are not happy with the fact that she wants a child, a husband, a family. Others couldn't care less. Many I've seen take Miranda in anyway because that's the character they saw for the most part, others react violently and are offended by what she's become.

If you aren't happy with it you're **** out of luck. If you don't care, any inclusion of Miranda will be a blessing.

But you MUST take it all into account.

[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...
The Miranda in ME2 was balanced and it worked magnificently, appealing to all sorts of people.

Agreed, we are an eclectic bunch and we should value that

Modifié par flemm, 01 août 2012 - 05:22 .

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Some people are not happy with the fact that she wants a child, a husband, a family. Others couldn't care less. Many I've seen take Miranda in anyway because that's the character they saw for the most part, others react violently and are offended by what she's become.

I never got why this was a problem for people.  It's a perfectly normal thing.  It's not like she wanted some man to come take care of her, or to retire to the kitchen as a barefoot mommy.  Hell, she never even sacrifices her goals in pursuit of this.  It's just something she desires alongside her other personal goals.

I think people who take issue with this aspect of Miri's character have a very skewed view of what a strong, independent woman really is.

[Taboo]

krukow wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Some people are not happy with the fact that she wants a child, a husband, a family. Others couldn't care less. Many I've seen take Miranda in anyway because that's the character they saw for the most part, others react violently and are offended by what she's become.

I never got why this was a problem for people.  It's a perfectly normal thing.  It's not like she wanted some man to come take care of her, or to retire to the kitchen as a barefoot mommy.  Hell, she never even sacrifices her goals in pursuit of this.  It's just something she desires alongside her other personal goals.

I think people who take issue with this aspect of Miri's character have a very skewed view of what a strong, independent woman really is.

The strongest women I know are mothers. Miranda knows what she wants and if she sets her mind to it she can get it done.

But just because she has a baby and Shepard at home doesn't mean she becomes any less...Miranda.

I can't think of anything that would be more pleasing for her than to have a child that she can raise free from her fathers grasp. Said child could do what it wished, a chance that Miranda was never given.

[Thracecius]

flemm wrote...

hot_heart wrote...
Yeah, I'm not too eager to pile on the hate. And you've pretty much summed up how I see it (quit doing that, I'm starting to get worried!). Clearly, everyone has their strengths and I can totally see him and Hudson at odds.

Well, it would be interesting to know exactly how it went down, but I'm not sure Mac Walters was the right choice as lead writer for this particular game, given what they were trying to do with it. I've always found it odd that Walters, who always says he likes Cerberus and its moral ambiguity so much, would choose to go down this path with them, but it's probably what Hudson wanted (as it basically turns Cerberus into a Star Wars-esque antagonist).

Taboo-XX wrote...
It also explains why people who didn't romance Miranda think she's such a ****. Patrick Weekes is the one responsible for keeping her from a Kubrick-esque state of coldness.

Crit path Miranda is extremely well-written in ME2. She is intended to be a borderline antagonist, or to come across that way to some players. Other players just really like crit path Miranda a lot because she is not the type of sexy female character you typically see. Then there is the softer stuff off the crit path that is appealing in a different way.

Sometimes I think ME2 Miranda is too well-written for the character's own good. Because people tend to react very strongly a certain way and not see the value of the rest of it.

Liking and disliking can be overrated and gets talked about too much. It's not really the only or main measure of the quality of writing.

A "Star Wars-esque antagonist"? I don't know if I'd choose that particular comparison, considering the depths of depravity that The Illusive Man stoops to, but then my knowledge of Star Wars Universe is relatively limited to the movies and a couple of CRPGs. Perhaps the Sith were that bad millenia ago, but during the Galactic Empire period, I don't recall them doing anything nearly so vile as what Cerberus was up to on Horizon. My memory isn't as reliable as it used to be though, so maybe I've forgotten a few things.

As for Miranda being intended as a "boderline antagonist" in ME2, I'd have to disagree. She's understandably wary of Shepard's motivations and decisions, but she clearly respects his/her place in the chain of command and follows orders even when she has a different opinion. Strong-willed does not equal antagonistic, at least not in a narrative sense. That being said, most Miranda's detractors generally come across as immature, intolerant, or downright blind to her value within the story, and I'm sure that I haven't ever seen a thoroughly well-reasoned or well-written argument as to why she's anything less than a brilliantly designed and exectued character. Then again, I don't actively seek the posts of her naysayers.

Modifié par Thracecius, 01 août 2012 - 05:41 .

[Taboo]

Miranda has never had a relationship in her life that hasn't ended with her being...betrayed in some fashion. She doesn't trust Shepard up until halfway through her Loyalty Mission.

Afterwords if pursued, the relationship becomes more concrete. In effect, Shepard is the first real connection she's ever had. That must mean the world to her. I can't imagine how wonderful she feels being around him

She's going to the most dedicated partner in the galaxy.

In a good way.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 01 août 2012 - 05:38 .

[flemm]

Thracecius wrote...

A "Star Wars-esque antagonist"? I don't know if I'd choose that particular comparison, considering the depths of depravity that The Illusive Man stoops to, but then my knowledge of Star Wars Universe is relatively limited to the movies and a couple of CRPGs. Perhaps the Sith were that bad millenia ago, but during the Galactic Empire period, I don't recall them doing anything nearly so vile as what Cerberus was up to on Horizon. My memory isn't as reliable as it used to be though, so maybe I've forgotten a few things.

Point taken, but I think there are similiarities. They are just intended to be bad/evil now in a one-dimensional sort of way. TIM becomes disfigured like the Emperor. Leng is his henchman (apprentice). Cerberus troops are almost like stormtroopers or droids now.
 

Thracecius wrote...
As for Miranda being intended as a "boderline antagonist" in ME2, I'd have to disagree. She's understandably wary of Shepard's motivations and decisions, but she clearly respects his/her place in the chain of command and follows orders even when she has a different opinion. Strong-willed does not equal antagonistic, at least not in a narrative sense. That being said, most Miranda's detractors generally come across as immature, intolerant, or downright blind to her value within the story, and I'm sure that I haven't ever seen a thoroughly well-reasoned or well-written argument as to why she's anything less than a brilliantly designed and exectued character.

Well, I agree with you, obviously

But she *can* be infuriating to some people. And this is not a bad thing. It's a sign of good writing imho that your reaction above (of which I approve) can co-exist with people who are convinced that she is just the most awful-est thing ever.

krukow wrote...
I think people who take issue with this aspect of Miri's character have a very skewed view of what a strong, independent woman really is.

Well, I don't think that's fair. In the sense that nobody would ever take issue with the idea that Miranda should, for example, have children if she wants them.

However, I must be honest, I don't feel like delving into this discussion again right now, so I'll just post a pic

Modifié par flemm, 01 août 2012 - 05:41 .

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Miranda has never had a relationship in her life that hasn't ended with her being...betrayed in some fashion. She doesn't trust Shepard up until halfway through her Loyalty Mission.

Afterwords if pursued, the relationship becomes more concrete. In effect, Shepard is the first real connection she's ever had. That must mean the world to her. I can't imagine how wonderful she feels being around him

She's going to the most dedicated partner in the galaxy.

In a good way.

I'm replaying her LM right now (we just got on the elevator after hearing about Niket betraying her), and yah, it's pretty jarring how betrayed she is here, especially when she refers to him not only as her oldest friend, but as her only friend...

Edit: Is Niket where we get the Miri nickname from?  I just heard him use it, and it's the only time I can think of hearing it.

Modifié par krukow, 01 août 2012 - 05:42 .

[Taboo]

krukow wrote...

I'm replaying her LM right now (we just got on the elevator after hearing about Niket betraying her), and yah, it's pretty jarring how betrayed she is here, especially when she refers to him not only as her oldest friend, but as her only friend...

Edit: Is Niket where we get the Miri nickname from?  I just heard him use it, and it's the only time I can think of hearing it.

Miri comes from Niket. My Shepard would never call her that. She'll always be Miranda or Miss Lawson.

She doesn't have friends. That's the thing to take away from that conversation. That is so incredibly unhealthy it's not even funny.

I'd imagine having a relationship with Shepard would create an enormous amount of joy for her. Not only is it healthy, it will continue to get stronger the longer they stay together. I'd imagine that time apart has been difficult for her and she states this.

She really, truly is heartbroken if you break up with her in ME3.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 01 août 2012 - 05:49 .

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

She really, truly is heartbroken if you break up with her in ME3.

People who do that deserve the original endings.  I wouldn't even do that, and Ashley is my avatar.

Also, even playing as renegade, I couldn't let her take the shot.  Renegon it is...