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[spirosz]

krukow wrote...

jtav wrote...

I have no problem with Miranda wanting or having children--just give me a choice if I'm romancing her. My problem with it in-game is the same as Ieldra's: it's presented as a binary: she can be a capable spy and scientist *or* have a family but not both. It also feeds the myth that a woman can't be happy without also being a mother. That the accomplishments are a substitute for what she can't have.

I submit this is why the Control slide is so popular: it's not binary. She has Ori and she's doing something cool.

I may misunderstand what you're saying, but I don't think you should get to choose wether Miranda wants children/family or not.  You get to chose what your shep is, not what other characters are.  Though that could lead to interesting discussions down the road if your shep doesn't want them (hint: women usually win that debate).

Also, I never see it as presented as binary.  I see her obsession with finding her sister a stupid reason to write her out of most of ME3, but that isn't the same as her desire for a family.  I think a lot of the conflict is being read into the character, as opposed to expressed.

I agree, if she wants it and your Shepard does not, then they would have to work out that conflict.

I never really got too deep into Miranad's character, but what about her issue from the LOTSB dlc, about not being able to have children? Did that get brought up in ME3? 

Modifié par spirosz, 01 août 2012 - 04:37 .

[Ieldra]

@CrutchCricket:
Well, as a rule I don't agree with curing the genophage (not without metagaming) but yes, the complexity of the topic was mostly dealt with very well, and Mordin's sacrifice was one of the few that worked perfectly on several levels. It's no surprise the Tuchanka arc, along with Rannoch, is almost universally regarded as the best part of ME3.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 août 2012 - 04:39 .

[Taboo]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Well, I would tend to agree with you in the christian morality sense, but marriage does serve a purpose. Some people do it because it really does make some couples feel closer and more intimate with each other. I think Miranda would definitely be a proponent of that - and it also lets people know that Shepard is now Mr. Miranda Lawson, and that that for women to back off (I imagine Shepard, when he recovers might be the subject of a LOT of female fantasies and admirers.) Miranda also has a possesive streak, and I would infer a jealous streak as well, and she would be the kind who kicks Shepard under the table when the waitress tries to flirt with him or the asari fan who wants an autograph starts to suggest something, even if he politely declines the solicitations. And Miranda would also use marriage to once again further herself from her father, leaving behind his name to show her defiance to her father and devotion to Shepard. Shepard for his part would be the same proponent as the top of my post. 

Having that kind of sex in the engine room kind of tosses that thing out the airlock.

But in a societal context, people who are married are seen as closer. That's just the way it is.

Everyone is going to know who Shepard belongs to and that he's off limits. I'm sure everyone on the Normandy knew this and I'm certain that everyone is going to know wherever he goes post war.

Marriage is Miranda's decision though, not my Shepard's.

But unofficially, he IS Mr. Miranda Lawson.

[jtav]

Here's what I mean: I don't want to be informed my Shep settled down with two children in the epilogue when I never saw him as a father. Ended up not mattering, but BW hasn't always given options here.

[krukow]

jtav wrote...

Here's what I mean: I don't want to be informed my Shep settled down with two children in the epilogue when I never saw him as a father. Ended up not mattering, but BW hasn't always given options here.

I can understand this.  It's why lack of a reunion scene wasn't a HUGE problem for me.  My Shepley would get married in a church, others wouldn't.  My Mirimancer would (everntually) settle down with kids (once he got tired of shooting bottles with Garrus while poor Miranda had to do all the hard work rebuilding society), yours not so much.

Honestly, I really just wanted a reunion scene like a certain movie that recently came out did perfectly, but I can't say the movie because it would be spoilers...

[flemm]

krukow wrote...
Also, I never see it as presented as binary.  I see her obsession with finding her sister a stupid reason to write her out of most of ME3, but that isn't the same as her desire for a family.  I think a lot of the conflict is being read into the character, as opposed to expressed.

I think there's probably more to it than that.

But I also don't think there's anything to really worry about anymore because Mr. Weekes is on the case. I find it extremely implausible that the individual who wrote ME2 Mordin and Miranda, two characters that I love, doesn't understand the issue with what we have now.

So, I hope we get more content.

Modifié par flemm, 01 août 2012 - 04:51 .

[krukow]

flemm wrote...

That pic is amazing.

[flemm]

Yes, it is Vertigo's image, by the way (didn't mention it because it has been posted before).

Modifié par flemm, 01 août 2012 - 04:56 .

[hot_heart]

A lot of talk has been happening! And I don't really have much to add. Instead I will just be a party-pooper for Lance...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Now, Want to know one scene that caught my eye in the artbook?

Cerberus invading the Normandy. They show a Cerberus agent crashing through Shepard's Sky/Spacelight and landing on his bed. Could have been a great call back to the Collector Invasion in ME2 and Kai Leng could have been shown as a true villan.

If it's the one I'm thinking of, it's by the same artist who did the 'Miranda statue' one that was misinterpreted.

I believe, before he even knew the direction of ME3, he had been making art based on a rogue Shepard. So that's actually him crashing through the ceiling to steal the Normandy from the Alliance. I think there's another picture of him on a snowy mountainside, drawn with the same mindset.

[Dr. Doctor]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...
I remember weeks ago I had the same feelings and really felt that she needed to be in something more casual. Convert her pants to something like leggings or even jeans and her top into something that resembles a leather jacket?

Perhaps go by the Kai Leng team above as reference but making it more "Alliance" like and not so much Cerberus. 

That's almost exactly what I was thinking.  I'll try a few designs and get some feedback here 

Something kind of like this (except not in photoshop)?

[wright1978]

krukow wrote...

jtav wrote...

Here's what I mean: I don't want to be informed my Shep settled down with two children in the epilogue when I never saw him as a father. Ended up not mattering, but BW hasn't always given options here.

I can understand this.  It's why lack of a reunion scene wasn't a HUGE problem for me.  My Shepley would get married in a church, others wouldn't.  My Mirimancer would (everntually) settle down with kids (once he got tired of shooting bottles with Garrus while poor Miranda had to do all the hard work rebuilding society), yours not so much.

Honestly, I really just wanted a reunion scene like a certain movie that recently came out did perfectly, but I can't say the movie because it would be spoilers...

A re-union scene would have been nice and wouldn't necessarily have to imply anything about the type of future they might have together. However re-union isn't my big issue, that  is Shep lives getting one tiny ambiguous breath scene clip that isn't properly integrated into the high EMS epilogue.Just feels like somebody dropped it at the end like they couldn't be bothered.

[Nightwriter]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Well what kind of kiss were you looking for?

The best kiss I saw in the last few years was in Drive.

Goslings PLANTS one on Mulligan in the Elevator.

http://gifsoup.com/w.../3519556_o.gif

And then the rest of the scene plays out...oh my.

I'd just be satisfied with mouth on mouth contact. Perhaps a kiss interrupt. That would be exquisite. I secretly hoped for a kiss interrupt.

There was no kiss interrupt. It was terrible.

[Nightwriter]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...
I remember weeks ago I had the same feelings and really felt that she needed to be in something more casual. Convert her pants to something like leggings or even jeans and her top into something that resembles a leather jacket?

Perhaps go by the Kai Leng team above as reference but making it more "Alliance" like and not so much Cerberus. 

That's almost exactly what I was thinking.  I'll try a few designs and get some feedback here 

Something kind of like this (except not in photoshop)?

That is glorious. That should be her outfit in ME3.

[flemm]

lillitheris wrote...

No, I didn’t assume that—adopting a child was a separate thought relating to the challenges of curing sterility. It’s great that people are open-minded enough to think that *gasp* an adoptive mother (or father) could be as good as a biological one (yes, please imagine eyeroll here), but it’s offensive to imply women are somehow perfected by motherhood, or that perfected women choose motherhood.

Anyway, sorry for derailment. That’s a hackle-raising proposition.

Agreed. I'm just going to quote this because it is important.

Modifié par flemm, 01 août 2012 - 05:58 .

[hot_heart]

For a jacket, I would've liked something like this.

Obviously, not with cut-offs. That would effectively hide her thunder.

[fiendishchicken]

hot_heart wrote...

For a jacket, I would've liked something like this.

Obviously, not with cut-offs. That would effectively hide her thunder.

I want a Miranda with a short skirt and looooooooong jacket.

[Taboo]

Oh boy fashion.

There's this really nice fan art piece with her in a....black top...with an Omni Tool.

She needs to wear something around the apartment/house/residence. I can see her in sweats. Demanding that Shepard get out of bed.

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Oh boy fashion.

There's this really nice fan art piece with her in a....black top...with an Omni Tool.

She needs to wear something around the apartment/house/residence. I can see her in sweats. Demanding that Shepard get out of bed.

I see shepard making the opposite demand.

Quite often.

[Taboo]

I think it's going to equal demand in that situation.

They're going to have a very active sex life.

But we're talking about fashion, not coitus.

WAIT. THERE'S A DAVID BOWIE SONG ABOUT THIS. HOLD ON.

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I think it's going to equal demand in that situation.

They're going to have a very active sex life.

But we're talking about fashion, not coitus.

WAIT. THERE'S A DAVID BOWIE SONG ABOUT THIS. HOLD ON.

Who?  Was he a Beach Boy or something?

I'm hoping that around the house Miri can learn the wonders of SWEAT PANTS, or at least some sort of clothing that isn't skin tight.  I mean, her uniforms are nice, and I'm sure quite functional for battle, but sometimes you just gotta relax...

Modifié par krukow, 01 août 2012 - 06:29 .

[Taboo]

 *itch please. Bowie was all about Fashion.

Fa-fa-fashion.

Although that song may actually be about Fascism. Talking about "goon squads" and such.

Sweat Pants are much more reliable and are far easier to get off. And I mean that in practical sense, not a sexual one.

I don't seriously think she wore those boots and that suit to bed do you?

I'd imagine she has something more practical.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 01 août 2012 - 06:34 .

[fiendishchicken]

krukow wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I think it's going to equal demand in that situation.

They're going to have a very active sex life.

But we're talking about fashion, not coitus.

WAIT. THERE'S A DAVID BOWIE SONG ABOUT THIS. HOLD ON.

Who?  Was he a Beach Boy or something?

I'm hoping that around the house Miri can learn the wonders of SWEAT PANTS, or at least some sort of clothing that isn't skin tight.  I mean, her uniforms are nice, and I'm sure quite functional for battle, but sometimes you just gotta relax...

You don't know who David Bowie is. I lost respect for you.

You should feel bad.

[hot_heart]

I suppose all the young dudes these days don't know 'bout Bowie.

[Taboo]

I'd imagine that things will be very professional outside of wherever they are.

But in private:



^ There's going to be lots of that for the first few months.

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

 *itch please. Bowie was all about Fashion.

Fa-fa-fashion.

Although that song may actually be about Fascism. Talking about "goon squads" and such.

Sweat Pants are much more reliable and are far easier to get off. And I mean that in practical sense, not a sexual one.

I don't seriously think she wore those boots and that suit to bed do you?

I'd imagine she has something more practical.

She wouldn't be wearing sweatpants. she'd be wearing one of Shepard's T-shirts and NOTHING else.