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[Taboo]

Yeah, pretty much that. In a nutshell. The second to last post on the last page.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 04 août 2012 - 09:31 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Sanctuary was active. There was a unique enemy in the Pariah. TIM's ability to control Shep was introduced. Henry interacted with facility staff via loudspeaker. There was a choice between getting Henry and shutting the facility down. Miranda's role was worse--she'd been captured a caged--but the mission itself sounds better.

Some of that was from what appeared to be a very early story draft, it must be said.

[LanceSolous13]

Taboo-XX wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

My Shepard hates the idea of the council as it stands in the games. All they are is the 4 most powerful species using their power to stay as the 4 most powerful species. He believes in a system of governance around fairness, or all the species getting a fair and equal voice regardless. 

This. 

And why allow them to stay that way? They are the voices that caused a lot more chaos than people realize. All the races deserve a voice, not just the four we have now.

If anything, a lot of deaths can be blamed on the Councils ineptitude. 

Yeah, I persaionly didn't have an issue with the Council till post-Virmire. Before then, I was able to reasonably say that, yeah, I'm the first human Spectre and a lot of my choices can be looked upon as questionable and I also haven't given much evidence.

Post-Virmire, I had enough evidence from just myself and my crew. So, That's where I'm going 'Ya'll are morons'.

Then they come in saying that Sovrign was a Geth Ship in ME2....

[krukow]

fiendishchicken wrote...

krukow wrote...

jtav wrote...

Perhaps it's all for the best that Commander Shepard is usually dead. The galaxy will never let him be. If Fate is kind however, Miranda might be seen with a man who looks remarkably like him on some distant planet.

If he's dead, his symbol is whatever those with power want it to be.

Alive, he can use his status to push for changes he wants to see.

Ever hear of Pat Tillman? 

He was a very well learned, intelligent, and incredibly insightful person with an advanced university degree in philosophy and foreign languages with a 3.9 gpa. He was an atheist, a freethinker, and a believer in man's better nature and compassion to make a better world.

He was also a very talented athlete and hero to many, including myself in my younger years, and he was renowned among the NFL as an up-and-coming star who, despite his small stature, was known as an incredibly ferocious and determined linebacker.

In 2002, after the September 11th attacks, Tillman, who was morally troubled by the actions and the people who committed them, turned down a multi-million dollar contract for the Arizona Cardinals to enlist in the United States Army, eventually becoming a member of the elite Army Rangers in 2002.

In late April of 2004, he was killed by friendly fire (due to his outspoken belief against the Iraq War and the actions of senior military and political leaders, some believe this was an inside job). The Army was found to have also covered up details of Corporal Tillman's death, even lying to his mother about how her son had been killed.

He was then lauded by the conservative media as a "god-fearing man who stood for the Christian, conservative values of America against the evils of Islam"  and was essentially turned into a Right-wing poster boy.

Corporal Tillman had never once voted for the Republican party, called the 2003 Inva!sion of Iraq 'Illegal as all Hell" and had reservations about President Bush. He was morally troubled by what he saw in the Middle East as a parallel to the new religious right movement that was, and is, growing back in here in the United States.

That is what would happen to Commander Shepard should he die. Yet another reason for him to live.

But just think!  If your shepard dies, he could be remembered as the proud alliance soldier who loved Ashely, his fellow alliance soldier, because they were both so gosh darn proud to be alliance!  And how together, they hunted down and destroyed the evil Cerberus lead by TIm and Miranda Lawson.  Every child for the rest of time will remember your Shepard as an Ashmancer!

And yeah, I saw a documentary on the Tillman stuff, pretty terrible.

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...
Well, also, one reason I like Miranda is because she is from a world where not everything is good/evil all the time. She is from the world of ME2.

We tend to suggest ideas that make her more clearly a "good guy" these days because we want to see more of her and sense that the more gray version of the character isn't really compatible with what they were trying to do in this game for the most part.

But if the writers can find a way for Miranda to retain a bit of an edge, or even a lot of one, then that would be my preference. In all honesty, I think the "space opera" parts of this game are clearly not the best parts, and with how things have gone, I hope the team moves away from that.

Yep, that's how I see it. Let Miranda retain some of her pragamatism, the willingness to go a little beyond what your typical "good guy" wood approve of.

I don't know if there'll be any more Miranda content, but if so, then I hope they'll move her away from the conventional template they squeezed her in.

[LanceSolous13]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

Sanctuary was active. There was a unique enemy in the Pariah. TIM's ability to control Shep was introduced. Henry interacted with facility staff via loudspeaker. There was a choice between getting Henry and shutting the facility down. Miranda's role was worse--she'd been captured a caged--but the mission itself sounds better.

Some of that was from what appeared to be a very early story draft, it must be said.

Could have had a Bioshock feel to it. I love Bioshock.

Miranda being captured sounds bad but I can think of a few ways to make it sound good.

[Taboo]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yep, that's how I see it. Let Miranda retain some of her pragamatism, the willingness to go a little beyond what your typical "good guy" wood approve of.

I don't know if there'll be any more Miranda content, but if so, then I hope they'll move her away from the conventional template they squeezed her in.

She goes Dirty Harry all over some poor bastards...but only if you have the phone app.

She MAKES them talk.

Do you consider Dirty Harry an all around GOOD guy?

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 04 août 2012 - 09:37 .

[Ieldra]

krukow wrote...

jtav wrote...

Perhaps it's all for the best that Commander Shepard is usually dead. The galaxy will never let him be. If Fate is kind however, Miranda might be seen with a man who looks remarkably like him on some distant planet.

If he's dead, his symbol is whatever those with power want it to be.

Alive, he can use his status to push for changes he wants to see.

Hehe...in my post-Synthesis headcanon, he'll come back and live on incognito, with Miranda. He'll become a chronicler and historian, "uncovering" the true story of Commander Shepard should it have been forgotten.

[Ieldra]

@Taboo:
Unfortunately, I have currently no idea how to install that app on my new Android phone. Never done that kind of thing before.

Anyway, we shouldn't need external applications to see all facets of Miranda in ME3.

[Skullheart]

Miranda in the leak was reaper fodder,and in the game she is Leng's fodder. Nice to see tha path bioware took.

I still can't forgive them for excluding her from Cronos, for not having a real confrontation with her father, no confrontation with TIM, no motivations more than Oriana, lack of dialogue betwen her and the squadmates, sidelined romance.

[Taboo]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Taboo:
Unfortunately, I have currently no idea how to install that app on my new Android phone. Never done that kind of thing before.

Anyway, we shouldn't need external applications to see all facets of Miranda in ME3.

If my insane mother can learn to do it you should be able to. And she IS crazy

All you need to do is go to the app section and type in Mass Effect.

I can get things in German so I can't imagine it should be too difficult to find it.

But you're correct that I shouldn't have to have an app to know this.

Although there are some really funny ones from Javik...

[jtav]

Alex is a revolutionary, but basically a geek. Curing the genophage, helping raise the geth to sentience, and performing Synthesis were enough. His attempts to meddle in politics per se don't usually work out. Let him reappear under an assumed name as a scientist and he'll be quite content.

[Stalker]

I thought datapad was iOS exclusive?

[Taboo]

Mr Massakka wrote...

I thought datapad was iOS exclusive?

**** I don't know.

Maybe it's something else.

All I know is that Miranda IS out being Miranda and that she sends you a message after the scene in the Apartment.

So there.

[LanceSolous13]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

I thought datapad was iOS exclusive?

**** I don't know.

Maybe it's something else.

All I know is that Miranda IS out being Miranda and that she sends you a message after the scene in the Apartment.

So there.

And this is why I like the idea of her being the leader of some Project Pheonix Operatives and ripping Cerberus a new one on their own with the assets Shepard gave her (Ships I assume).

I'd have to read the letter again, but it could fit with that post-Sanctuary letter on Liara's Terminal.

[Skullheart]

And mordin sends you messages after curing the genophage xD.

[o Ventus]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I think that enemy was scrapped because they couldn't implement it. You can see it in the comic with Aria in it.

You are talking about the Adjutants (not the unique mob I mentioned before: Pariah or w/e it was called) and they were scrapped because Omega was suppose to be part of the main game but was cut to be made into DLC.

And maybe he was in the process of doing so? Or using them in addition to the husks he created from the refugees for the tests?

IMO it would have made a powerful scene to have the clones.  Better than the 5 or so logs we hear from him talking and talking....

The Adjutants were to be called "Pariah's" in-game. I have no idea why the name would have changed.

[Stalker]

Just researched: Mass Effect Datapad is still iOS exclusive.

The message you mean is this:
"I managed to catch up with a few old contacts. They didn't want to talk; but they did. More later."

If anyone is interested with an Android phone: https://dl.dropbox.c...178/survey.html

[Taboo]

No she's out being Miranda before Sanctuary.

You just have to...come to conclusions based off of the messages she's sent...

[o Ventus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

I thought datapad was iOS exclusive?

**** I don't know.

Maybe it's something else.

All I know is that Miranda IS out being Miranda and that she sends you a message after the scene in the Apartment.

So there.

And that's the problem. The Datapad e-mail comes off as cheap damage control (as does Liara's e-mail) for her mistreatment on-screen.

[LanceSolous13]

Taboo-XX wrote...

No she's out being Miranda before Sanctuary.

You just have to...come to conclusions based off of the messages she's sent...

...Maybe the Alliance doesn't send the messgae till post-Sanctuary.

But, honestly, Miranda + Project Pheonix = GORGIOUS GORGIOUS DLC POTENTIAL!

*swimming in the potential*

[Skullheart]

o Ventus wrote...

And that's the problem. The Datapad e-mail comes off as cheap damage control (as does Liara's e-mail) for her mistreatment on-screen.

This, they realized how disappointed the fanbase was with the leak, but all they could do to fix that was text messages.

[Stalker]

Skullheart wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

And that's the problem. The Datapad e-mail comes off as cheap damage control (as does Liara's e-mail) for her mistreatment on-screen.

This, they realized how disappointed the fanbase was with the leak, but all they could do to fix that was text messages.

Well, I think that fighter squadron e-mail made it even worse...

[wright1978]

Skullheart wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

And that's the problem. The Datapad e-mail comes off as cheap damage control (as does Liara's e-mail) for her mistreatment on-screen.

This, they realized how disappointed the fanbase was with the leak, but all they could do to fix that was text messages.

Yep while i like the post sanctuary shadow broker e-mail a lot, it is just last minute damage control.

[o Ventus]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

But, honestly, Miranda + Project Pheonix = GORGIOUS GORGIOUS DLC POTENTIAL!

*swimming in the potential*

Which means it likely won't happen. There was also potential for a Cerberus arc with Miranda, and it didn't happen. A Cerberus arc for Jack (No, Grissom Academy is not a Cerberus arc for Jack), and that didn't happen. An Omega arc for Aria, and that may or may not be reserved for DLC (Because nickel and diming your playerbase is the new way to show that you care). The possibilities of having a Cerberus arc at all could have worked wonders, but what happens? They're turned into space n**is.

My point is that if you see something even remotely obvious, don't bother pointing it out, because Bioware won't do it.

/rant

Modifié par o Ventus, 04 août 2012 - 10:11 .