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[jtav]

Any speculation on how the control chip was supposed to work? It just became germane to a fic I'm writing. My current theory is that Shepard was to be given directives he could not act against,, but attempts to get a useful wording for them are beginning to resemble a D&D player's attempt to cash Wish without backfiring. This is actually set between 2 and 3 and recreating the chip is a desperate attempt at an indoctrination counter.

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Oh no, an inconsistent consistency has to do with Miss Strahovski's acting, not you.

Not even she can escape it's maws.

Huh?  No understando...

[Taboo]

krukow wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Oh no, an inconsistent consistency has to do with Miss Strahovski's acting, not you.

Not even she can escape it's maws.

Huh?  No understando...

I've actually never seen her act in a physcal format so I need to know that she speaks with an Ameican for her roles in the United States.

She will in Dexter...

Did she have one in Chuck?

It will only work then...

[Taboo]

jtav wrote...

Any speculation on how the control chip was supposed to work? It just became germane to a fic I'm writing. My current theory is that Shepard was to be given directives he could not act against,, but attempts to get a useful wording for them are beginning to resemble a D&D player's attempt to cash Wish without backfiring. This is actually set between 2 and 3 and recreating the chip is a desperate attempt at an indoctrination counter.

I would assume it would work in a manner similar to a shock collar.

You misbehave, you are subjected to a shock or agitation, and an uncomfortable amount.

Think of it like in Science class. When you apply a volt of electricity to a certain area of the animals (dead) brain, you can cause a spasm.

Why not do something similar in that regard?

Although repeated shocks would damage the brain...

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

krukow wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Oh no, an inconsistent consistency has to do with Miss Strahovski's acting, not you.

Not even she can escape it's maws.

Huh?  No understando...

I've actually never seen her act in a physcal format so I need to know that she speaks with an Ameican for her roles in the United States.

She will in Dexter...

Did she have one in Chuck?

It will only work then...

Yes she did have an American accent for Chuck. For the first several episodes, especially the first episode (granted it was filmed about 2 months before the series proper), it was really noticeable. As the series progressed, it got much better - by the end of the first season, it was indistinguishable from a homegrown accent. 

Yvonne actually now is slightly losing her native accent. Especially in newer interviews, she has said she has to make a conscious effort to keep her accent discernable. As it is in some, her voice sounds like an odd, but sexy hybrid of an Australian and American accent.

[Taboo]

Yes, that's the inconsistent consistency.

She was raised with one accent but acts in another. Sometimes it slips out.

She'll never lose it. Not that it's a bad thing.

She'll be having "idears" for the rest of her life.

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

jtav wrote...

Any speculation on how the control chip was supposed to work? It just became germane to a fic I'm writing. My current theory is that Shepard was to be given directives he could not act against,, but attempts to get a useful wording for them are beginning to resemble a D&D player's attempt to cash Wish without backfiring. This is actually set between 2 and 3 and recreating the chip is a desperate attempt at an indoctrination counter.

I would assume it would work in a manner similar to a shock collar.

You misbehave, you are subjected to a shock or agitation, and an uncomfortable amount.

Think of it like in Science class. When you apply a volt of electricity to a certain area of the animals (dead) brain, you can cause a spasm.

Why not do something similar in that regard?

Although repeated shocks would damage the brain...

Shepard wouldn't cooperate then. He'd make a conscious effort to fight, and end up like Ian Newstead in the first game, and he'd be rendered ineffective by the shock collar. It would have to be something slightly more subtle. A chip that releases certain hormones to stimulate a pleasurable response to idea's predetermined in the control chip, and making repulsive associations with idea's that don't suit Cerberus' goals.

Part of my fic details an incident where Miranda does implant a chip into Shepard via his neck, although this is done after she starts to get feelings for him. TIM orders this when he sees that Shepard is starting to develop an attraction towards Miranda, especially when Shepard makes some very... stupid and unwise combat decisions and actions when Miranda is in danger. The chip is little more than a placebo and tracking device that does absolutely nothing. 

However it does become a source for major trust issues between the couple when Shepard finds out, and in conjunction with several other mishaps, namely an incident during Kasumi's loyalty mission and a surprise encounter with Corporal Toombs for Miranda, and a meeting with Ashley for Shepard leads to some very serious tension between the two while they simultaneously struggle with their feelings for each other.

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yes, that's the inconsistent consistency.

She was raised with one accent but acts in another. Sometimes it slips out.

She'll never lose it. Not that it's a bad thing.

She'll be having "idears" for the rest of her life.

As I've mentioned, due to the nature of my upbringing, I can pretty much discern and replicate any accent in the English language (and a few others). I also have some problems with word prononciation, especially with words that are said vastly different. I'll say something completely routine and normal and people won't understand me because I'm accidentally letting another accent slip through.

[Taboo]

Yes, that would make sense. Although I'm having a hard time believing that they have something that powerful that doesn't amount to Indoctrination.

The next step is behavioral conditioning. Although that doesn't work if the subject refuses to take part. A dog is easier to train than a man, although the dog can not want to as well.

Although I do find it hilarious that Miranda falls for the guy she was supposed to keep a watch over. I can imagine the TIM raging about in that little chamber of his.

And I'm certain he'd try and sow seeds of discontent in her head about Shepard. The second thing she asks is if you're still together (although it doesn't really feel concrete to me until he confirms it there). She's downright worried that it was a one time thing.

[Td1984]

I've always head canoned the "control chip" to really be more of a kill-switch in the event Shep's implants went haywire and for some reason he needed to be killed.

[Taboo]

Td1984 wrote...

I've always head canoned the "control chip" to really be more of a kill-switch in the event Shep's implants went haywire and for some reason he needed to be killed.

Dr. Chakwas actually asks to examine you for malfunctioning implants when you first visit her on the Normandy in ME3.

Everything is legit. I would assume that this control chip would be pretty nasty.

TIM took a heavy risk here.

But what was the prize? 

[flemm]

wright1978 wrote...

Sadly all you say is true and it is not even a well done morality tale.

No, you're right, it isn't. That's partly because its sensibility is really, really dated. Almost archaic, really. You do see that sometimes in space opera, where the futuristic setting serves to camouflage ideas that would not be especially palatable to a modern audience, were they presented in a more familiar setting.

A lot of their best writers seem to have avoided the parts of the game dealing with that to a great extent. Not sure what is cause and what is effect, though.

Modifié par flemm, 05 août 2012 - 09:27 .

[Lawrence0294]

Td1984 wrote...

I've always head canoned the "control chip" to really be more of a kill-switch in the event Shep's implants went haywire and for some reason he needed to be killed.

I always saw the control chip as a, well a chip inside the brain that would make him think differently, that if he went too far form Cerberus ideals, the chip would respond and make him lean over them. Not sure how that would work though.

[wright1978]

flemm wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Sadly all you say is true and it is not even a well done morality tale.

No, you're right, it isn't. That's partly because its sensibility is really, really dated. Almost archaic, really. You do see that sometimes in space opera, where the futuristic setting serves to camouflage ideas that would not be espeically palatable to a modern audience, were they presented in a more familiar setting.

A lot of their best writers seem to have avoided the parts of the game dealing with that to a great extent. Not sure what is cause and what is effect, though.

Well my point was that say for example Mordin's was a better executed morality tale whereas Miranda's just feels like somebody put a big red no go zone for her content regarding Cerberus and the tattered fringe that was left to build it and it comes across as extremely poorly done.

[jtav]

Indeed, if it's so dated that a conservative like me finds it archaic and offensive, then you know it's bad. The sin here is Henry's. Miranda's responsibility is to excel and use her gifts to help others, same as anyone who won the gene lottery the old fashioned way. Enough with this false democracy of nor,alcy being the highest virtue.

[jtav]

As for the chip, here's what I want to do with it for story purposes. Shepard was subject to a brute force indoctrination attempt via Object Rho. Prep work Miranda did for the chip slowed it to a virtual standstill, but he's at risk if he's ever exposed to an indoctrination signal again. Liara and Hackett hire Miranda to fix him. Since Shiala is the only person ever freed of indoctrination, the idea is to preemptively "indoctrinate" him via chip. So something like AI shackles?

[flemm]

wright1978 wrote...

Well my point was that say for example Mordin's was a better executed morality tale whereas Miranda's just feels like somebody put a big red no go zone for her content regarding Cerberus and the tattered fringe that was left to build it and it comes across as extremely poorly done.

Oh, I agree. And it's true that even the best parts of the game suffer from being a bit too moralistic for my taste, but as you say, the Genophage in particular, and also Rannoch, are very well done versions of this.

But clearly their best writers focused on those parts of the game.

Modifié par flemm, 05 août 2012 - 09:26 .

[Taboo]

The content is there, at least technically, it just isn't shown.

The difference is that the writers chose not to put her in the story more. She has a reduced role, just like everyone else.

We make it appear like it affects Miranda in large capacity only, but that's far from true. ALL of the ME2 squadmates suffered in some capacity.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 05 août 2012 - 09:32 .

[hot_heart]

Thing is, I never really saw Mordin's as a 'morality tale' as such; just a really well-executed character arc. Plus, the background had already been established during ME2. ME3 doesn't really leave any room for that with Miranda.

What could've been...

Modifié par hot_heart, 05 août 2012 - 09:32 .

[wright1978]

flemm wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Well my point was that say for example Mordin's was a better executed morality tale whereas Miranda's just feels like somebody put a big red no go zone for her content regarding Cerberus and the tattered fringe that was left to build it and it comes across as extremely poorly done.

Oh, I agree. And it's true that even the best parts of the game suffer from being a bit too moralistic for my taste, but as you say, the Genophage in particular, and also Rannoch, are very well done versions of this.

But clearly their best writers focused on those parts of the game.

Agree completely that even those best bits suffer from being a bit too moralistic for my taste. Not even sure the best writers could have saved Miranda's role if there was a ban on her having a Cerberus arc. It would be like building a morality tale for Mordin but banning the use of genophage from the story. Maybe the best writers might have challenged that edict though.

[Taboo]

hot_heart wrote...

Thing is, I never really saw Mordin's as a 'morality tale' as such; just a really well-executed character arc. Plus, the background and such had already been established during ME2. ME3 doesn't really leave any room for that with Miranda.

If that was the inention that the writer had originally, or that was the decided upon course of action, your interpretion may be invalidated.

**** happens.

Unfortunately.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 05 août 2012 - 09:36 .

[hot_heart]

Hey, you edited your post! I wasn't even sure what you meant by the second part.

[Taboo]

hot_heart wrote...

Hey, you edited your post! I wasn't even sure what you meant by the second part.

Yes I did.

I thought about it more.

Sometimes I wonder...

It may actually BE that ****ing simple.

That's not GOOD, but it isn't BAD either. At least in context in what we have now.

It can be...expanded upon.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 05 août 2012 - 09:42 .

[hot_heart]

I didn't think I was saying anything particularly novel...

Essentially, we needed MORE Miranda.

[Sifr]

I doubt a control chip would have worked anyway. Throughout the series we see that Shepard has an extraordinary force of will and determination, which is part of the reason the Reapers are rather terrified of them...

Even if they installed a control chip, I can imagine that Shepard would grit their teeth and do what the hell they felt like, regardless of what Cerberus wanted...