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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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MASSEFFECTfanforlife101

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MisterJB wrote...

What if the entries on the dossier are placed by chronological order? That would mean miranda received her medical reports after the Lazarus project was concluded.


You mean after she brung us back to life? Then why wouldn't she tell anyone. Would it have affected the mission? She didn't trust us at first?

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Could be that she subscribed to that journal because of Lazarus. Since the project was successful, she might considerer it pointless from that moment on.

She seems to me someone who's very focused on the issues at hand, and discards that which is no longer needed.

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MisterJB wrote...
What if the entries on the dossier are placed by chronological order? That would mean miranda received her medical reports after the Lazarus project was concluded.

I'm saying that an offshoot of Lazarus cell technology could be used to reverse her infertility.

Alternative: she creates her children using a similar technology that created her. That would be a sign she's made peace with her origin. After all, her father's "crime", if you want, was treating his daughter as an object, not creating her in the first place.

@Sleepy Buddha:
We can invent plausible justifications for that, but it doesn't change the impression this combination of subscription/unsubscription makes in terms of how she's perceived as a character. That's what I don't like.

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If we get a miracle pregnancy....well, there's really no threat I can make is there? Other than it confirms my feelings that it's the worst mShep romance.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

Yes, I'm hoping for an epilogue that hints at that possibility.


But unfortunately I can't think of anything else the Lazarus cell can do for Miri other than a cure, which isn't bad.:unsure:

On the other hand, what is it about a cure from the Lazarus cell that makes you all mad? It is Miri's cell, she would have still accomplished something, with the skill of her Intelligence and her own team.

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Would you guys prefer the epilogue to hint at the possibility of Miranda being cured of her infertility and leaving the rest to the player's imagination?



Or the alternative going to the future and showing Miranda with a child (white picket fences and baking cookies optional Ieldra Posted Image)

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Mr Plow wrote...


Would you guys prefer the epilogue to hint at the possibility of Miranda being cured of her infertility and leaving the rest to the player's imagination?



Or the alternative going to the future and showing Miranda with a child (white picket fences and baking cookies optional Ieldra Posted Image)


Well, I really do want a hppy ending with Miri.:wub:

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Ieldra: I was actually referring to jtav's idea regarding the Lazarus Project.
If we think about, it's possible that she was examined and received the result during ME2.
Illium is an Asari controled planet in the Termynus Systems, why choose to go there instead on a human clinic in Council space? Could have been an hint.
The only problem is the "Why"? Why would she submit herself to those kinds of exams during a suicide mission?

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Mr Plow wrote...
Would you guys prefer the epilogue to hint at the possibility of Miranda being cured of her infertility and leaving the rest to the player's imagination?

This would be fine I think.

Mr Plow wrote...
Or the alternative going to the future and showing Miranda with a child (white picket fences and baking cookies optional Ieldra Posted Image)


LOL

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 29 juillet 2011 - 05:43 .


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MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yes, I'm hoping for an epilogue that hints at that possibility.

But unfortunately I can't think of anything else the Lazarus cell can do for Miri other than a cure, which isn't bad.:unsure:

On the other hand, what is it about a cure from the Lazarus cell that makes you all mad? It is her cell, she would have still accomplished something.

It's not that that makes me mad. It is

(a) the possibility of a "miracle pregancy" aka "cured by Shepard's super sperm". That would be so ridiculously cheesy, have hints of a miracle AND would make Shepard even more super-special than he already it. It makes me puke.

(B) that there's more than a hint of a "morality tale" in the infertility about the supposed evils of creating life. I do not only disagree with such, but I would actively promote human enhancement technologies as desirable, and I want that to be reflected in the ending of Miranda's story arc as an option. The morality taught by the infertility comes as close to being "anathema" for me as it is to come for a non-religious mind.

 

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MisterJB wrote...

The only problem is the "Why"? Why would she submit herself to those kinds of exams during a suicide mission?


Now that you say that I'm not sure. :unsure: 

Could it have been during the Romantic Process with us?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 29 juillet 2011 - 05:48 .


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Mr Plow wrote...
Would you guys prefer the epilogue to hint at the possibility of Miranda being cured of her infertility and leaving the rest to the player's imagination?

That would be the best ending of all with regard to the infertility.

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jtav wrote...

...my feelings that it's the worst mShep romance.


*holding a White Russian* Well, that's like... your opinion, man.

We'll agree to completely disagree. Posted Image

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MisterJB wrote...
Ieldra: I was actually referring to jtav's idea regarding the Lazarus Project.

Perhaps you didn't understand: jtav's idea is that Miranda cannot bear children, so she sees getting Shepard back to life as her kind of creating life. You can see why this would make the romance feel creepy and why most of us wouldn't want that.

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Ah yes, "the infertility issue". I say bring it up, but don't make the fans focus on it. Leave the end of that story arc up to the player's imagination. There's more important things going on... like RoboCthulu coming to harvest us. I don't think that "character flaw" is something she should be concentrating on.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 29 juillet 2011 - 05:51 .


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The dossier does not alter based on romance. And I doubt she'd be thinking kids with the Reapers around. I don't want her to have biological children because I want her father's project to fail, but I'll concede using the tech herself makes for good drama.

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Well, look at it this way. Unfortunately I have to as well.

There's no telling what BioWare might think of for her Infertility. They may come up with a solution that is COMPLETELY different.


......or....they may not make a solution at all.:unsure:

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 29 juillet 2011 - 05:53 .


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Ieldra2 wrote...
Alternative: she creates her children using a similar technology that created her. That would be a sign she's made peace with her origin. After all, her father's "crime", if you want, was treating his daughter as an object, not creating her in the first place.

The real problem with that, as we have discussed in the past, is that the way Miranda perceives both herself and her achievements is not a direct result of the way her father treated her, but rather of the way she was created. Miranda's child would also suffer from self worth issues and all the love in the world would not make those go away.
Miranda would either have to teach her child how to make peace with it's origins like she did or she could just create a normal child, no enhancements.

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As for what the end of Miranda's story arc absolutely MUST include as far as I'm concerned:

(1) That Miranda continues to do extraordinary work in her capacity as an operative or a scientist.
(2) That Miranda retains/regains the ability to pass on her gifts. Either by curing her infertility or finding a technology that makes it possible.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

As for what the end of Miranda's story arc absolutely MUST include as far as I'm concerned:

(1) That Miranda continues to do extraordinary work in her capacity as an operative or a scientist.
(2) That Miranda retains/regains the ability to pass on her gifts. Either by curing her infertility or finding a technology that makes it possible.



These may be possible. But why still can't be sure what BioWare is planning to do. They may just pretend the Infertility issue never happened.:unsure:

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Ieldra2 wrote...
Perhaps you didn't understand: jtav's idea is that Miranda cannot bear children, so she sees getting Shepard back to life as her kind of creating life. You can see why this would make the romance feel creepy and why most of us wouldn't want that.

I understood and I'm one of those who do not want that.
If Miranda was not aware at the time she was working on Project Lazarus that she is infertile, then there's not that issue to deal with.

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 I don't want her to have biological children because I want her father's project to fail,.

Her father's desire is to, supossedly, create a dinasty. (quite frankly, I hope there's more to it). If Miranda's children are not educated in the way he would wish, his project fails.

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MisterJB wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Alternative: she creates her children using a similar technology that created her. That would be a sign she's made peace with her origin. After all, her father's "crime", if you want, was treating his daughter as an object, not creating her in the first place.

The real problem with that, as we have discussed in the past, is that the way Miranda perceives both herself and her achievements is not a direct result of the way her father treated her, but rather of the way she was created. Miranda's child would also suffer from self worth issues and all the love in the world would not make those go away.
Miranda would either have to teach her child how to make peace with it's origins like she did or she could just create a normal child, no enhancements.


Not necessarily. Throughout ME2 she slowly comes to realize (with Shepard's help) that the way she was created merely gave her (the best possible) tools, but her achievements are her own since she made her own choices and acted accordingly. Those insecurities have been mostly stripped away by the end.

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Ignoring it would be my preference. Or leave it ambiguous. Just no miracle pregnancy.

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I want to see Miri happy. I want to see her have a family. Many of you possibly want this too. But my concern is BioWare. What the hell are they planning in there brilliant and crazy minds?:unsure:

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 29 juillet 2011 - 06:06 .


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What I really want is adoption because we don't see enough happily adopted kids in fiction.