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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

flemm wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I don't understand. People mention this Vanilla Version, but I do not know what it is.

It means the original game, without any DLC or expansions. People say: Vanilla WoW, meaning the game prior to the Burning Crusade, for example.

ME2 is completely Extended for me. I call the ME2 Part of My Story "Mass Effect 2: The Extended Cut" or "Player Cut."

It's like having an Extended Edition of a Movie.  With all the DLC I have for ME2. ME2 is one Large Game, with Arrival as the True Ending to ME2, as the Epilogue, along with LOTSB (which is completed before Arrival). Arrival leaves you hanging in ME2, like most "Second Parts" of a Movie Trilogy.

ME1 is Vanilla for me.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 août 2012 - 12:52 .

[LanceSolous13]

The only DLC I finish post-Suicide Mission is Arrival. I don't exactly know why people say Lair of the Shadow Broker and Overlord are Post-Game DLC.

[Taboo]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Are we really given a timeline of 3 months? I've always thought that ME2 was more like 6 months.

On top of that, I don't find the cuddling to hard to believe. I mean, she did have sex with him. Usually is cuddling first, then sex. If she was comfortable with having sex with him, I'm not sure I see the objection to cuddling in his cabin.

I think it's three months. Is anyone able to verify that?

It seemed a lot like it was to blow off steam at first, but then it developed. What I mean is that Miranda WAS right. Once you have sex, things get more complicated.

I don't object, I just wanted to see what others thought. It just feels more like an Easter Egg to me than anything.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

The only DLC I finish post-Suicide Mission is Arrival. I don't exactly know why people say Lair of the Shadow Broker and Overlord are Post-Game DLC.

Overlord serves better before SM, because of what you as Shepard say: "The Illusive Man can fire me....."

LOTSB serves better Post for me, because I like the comment about how I destroyed the Collector Base, and how everyone came out alive. I also like the acknowledgment for My Romantic Relationship with Miri.

[LanceSolous13]

Yeah, its an Easter Egg but does that mean its not canon? I don't really see anything that suggests it isn't.

[enayasoul]

Let's talk about Miranda's "attachment" statements or issues, please. Does it have to do with her upbringing? Would you say that she is has a "dismissing" type of attachment... Here's what I mean...

It says, "...people who had a dismissing style of attachment as an infant are likely to form a dismissing attachment to their romantic partners. As adults, dismissing individuals are uncomfortable with intimacy - they actually fear it. They do not like it when people get close, and they don’t like being dependent on a partner or having someone be dependent on them. Dismissing individuals tend not to trust others, and they are more self-sufficient, cynical, and independent in nature. They are less likely to fall deeply in love and need a lot less affection and intimacy. Dismissing individuals are more apt to put their time into their careers, hobbies, and activities than their relationships. They also get easily annoyed with their relational partners and often display negative feelings and hostility toward their loved ones."

It's from this Web site: http://www.truthabou...ent-styles.html

Working on a scene with Miranda and Orianna talking about "relationship" ugh... why do I do this to myself. Editing through this chapter is painful!

Modifié par enayasoul, 08 août 2012 - 01:00 .

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Russian. Fascinating. Not a common language to be used.

Miranda is kraslvaya.

Kraslvaya.

I think...

Говорите ли вы русский язык?

Vyagady da Ruskya?

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 08 août 2012 - 01:01 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Yeah, its an Easter Egg but does that mean its not canon? I don't really see anything that suggests it isn't.

The only thing I do not like is that if you do Overlord Post SM, the DLC thinks you are still Cerberus. They should have made it so that it would vary. The same goes for LOTSB, but I RP it when Vasir mentions you and Cerberus when she is dying. It's the same for Arrival too: The DLC still thinks you are on the Mission to stop the Collectors when talking to Hackett at the End. Why does it still think you are on a Mission when there is NOTHING Left?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 août 2012 - 01:04 .

[Taboo]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Russian. Fascinating. Not a common language to be used.

Miranda is kraslvaya.

Kraslvaya.

I think...

Говорите ли вы русский язык?

Vyagady da Ruskya?

Nyet.

[fiendishchicken]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

The only DLC I finish post-Suicide Mission is Arrival. I don't exactly know why people say Lair of the Shadow Broker and Overlord are Post-Game DLC.

Idk about Overlord, but LotSB has dialogue that strongly hints that it takes place after the SM.

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Russian. Fascinating. Not a common language to be used.

Miranda is kraslvaya.

Kraslvaya.

I think...

Говорите ли вы русский язык?

Vyagady da Ruskya?

Nyet.

I have a AA in Russian and spent 8 months in St. Petersburg when I was younger (Navy parents). I was hoping there would be another Roskynekym on here. It's been very useful for my military career.

Krasivaya is the word you're looking for btw. "Beautiful, soulful, pretty girl"

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 08 août 2012 - 01:15 .

[flemm]

enayasoul wrote...

Let's talk about Miranda's "attachment" statements or issues, please. Does it have to do with her upbringing? Would you say that she is has a "dismissing" type of attachment... Here's what I mean...

You could probably read the character that way to an extent, but I don't think ME2 Miranda was written from a psychological point of view primarily (not all characters are). She was written by a couple of different writers who had different things in mind, and the sum ended up being greater than the parts.

But, if you make paragon choices in ME2, then I think you could say that Miranda moves from being someone who is very absorbed by her career to someone who has more balance between her professional life and her personal life. That would be one way of looking at it.

Modifié par flemm, 08 août 2012 - 01:13 .

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Are we really given a timeline of 3 months? I've always thought that ME2 was more like 6 months.

On top of that, I don't find the cuddling to hard to believe. I mean, she did have sex with him. Usually is cuddling first, then sex. If she was comfortable with having sex with him, I'm not sure I see the objection to cuddling in his cabin.

I think it's three months. Is anyone able to verify that?

It seemed a lot like it was to blow off steam at first, but then it developed. What I mean is that Miranda WAS right. Once you have sex, things get more complicated.

I don't object, I just wanted to see what others thought. It just feels more like an Easter Egg to me than anything.

I think it's longer than a 3 months personally. I see the meta-game as roughly 8 weeks for the first game, 5 months for the collector mission, 2-3 months between the SM and Arrival, 3 weeks to a month after Arrival and being taken into alliance custody, and about 6-8 months in alliance custody when the reapers arrive at Earth (I know in-game it's 6 months, but that's fairly short, so I've expanded the time for Shepards imprisonment), and 4-5 months for the length of the Reaper war.

[LanceSolous13]

fiendishchicken wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

The only DLC I finish post-Suicide Mission is Arrival. I don't exactly know why people say Lair of the Shadow Broker and Overlord are Post-Game DLC.

Idk about Overlord, but LotSB has dialogue that strongly hints that it takes place after the SM.

Where exactly? Vasier talks about how you're working with Cerberus. Post-SM, Shepard isn't.

[fiendishchicken]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

The only DLC I finish post-Suicide Mission is Arrival. I don't exactly know why people say Lair of the Shadow Broker and Overlord are Post-Game DLC.

Idk about Overlord, but LotSB has dialogue that strongly hints that it takes place after the SM.

Where exactly? Vasier talks about how you're working with Cerberus. Post-SM, Shepard isn't.

She mentions you "worked" for Cerberus. Liara mentions a lot of things about her predecessor and the Collectors in the past-tense as if they are already defeated. 

[Taboo]

enayasoul wrote...

Let's talk about Miranda's "attachment" statements or issues, please. Does it have to do with her upbringing? Would you say that she is has a "dismissing" type of attachment... Here's what I mean...

She mentions she doesn't have friends on her loyalty mission. That's a big red flag. Most thirty six year olds are capable of maintaining relationships. Miranda has not. The only person she really considers her friend is Niket. Being betrayed would be terrible. She has her sister, but she cannot maintain close contact for the time being.

That leaves Shepard. If you take the romance path she's more than willing to allow you into her personal space, with one interesting concept. 

It's more than evident that Shepard is special, at least on an emotional level. Her reactions to his reassurances are telling. This builds until physical intimacy becomes her way of confirming their relationship.

However, the difference between casual sex and intimate sex is that the former is merely for pleasure. The latter has a funny way of creating chemicals in the brain. Human bonding hormones are produced, and people become closer. This isn't just a random hook up to keep stress away, this is important to her.

This is the first time in her life she's ever really connected to someone. She really does care. The thing is, is that she's capable of both caring for Shepard AND maintaining her work ethic.

Things are only going to get better in time. She'll always have issues to work out, but she'll certainly be there for Shepard. Look at how she protects her sister, just imagine how protective she'll be of Shepard.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I don't know why the DLCs didn't Vary after the SM. Not even Arrival varied that much, because it made it seem like you are still on a Mission to destroy the Collectors, even though there are no more Assignments.

As for Vasir, I just see it as her being clueless, as if her knowledge betrays her. The Betrayer dies without knowing the truth, and I don't tell her. You know what I'm saying? The same goes for the Shadow Broker himself when he talks about Miri and I. I believe it as a flaw, even for the Shadow Broker himself.

PS: I guess Vasir said "Worked." I don't remember hearing her say it Past-Tense, but I guess it's true.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 août 2012 - 01:23 .

[kaymarierose]

enayasoul wrote...

Let's talk about Miranda's "attachment" statements or issues, please. Does it have to do with her upbringing? Would you say that she is has a "dismissing" type of attachment... Here's what I mean...

It says, "...people who had a dismissing style of attachment as an infant are likely to form a dismissing attachment to their romantic partners. As adults, dismissing individuals are uncomfortable with intimacy - they actually fear it. They do not like it when people get close, and they don’t like being dependent on a partner or having someone be dependent on them. Dismissing individuals tend not to trust others, and they are more self-sufficient, cynical, and independent in nature. They are less likely to fall deeply in love and need a lot less affection and intimacy. Dismissing individuals are more apt to put their time into their careers, hobbies, and activities than their relationships. They also get easily annoyed with their relational partners and often display negative feelings and hostility toward their loved ones."

From that quote I'd say that I don't think Miranda doesn't like it when people get close romantically, she just doesn't know how to handle the situation as she's never had someone in her life like that. And I also don't think Miranda would have any issues with falling in love, she just wouldn't know what to do with herself if she did.

I think the whole intimacy "issues" Miranda has are simply from being in unfamilar territory. For once in her life she hasn't a clue what she is doing and is hesitant to take the leap. I don't think she has issues with trusting Shepard as opposed to trusting herself.

Now I'll end this with a quote from thatgirlwiththe's fanfiction Chapter 28: (Aside from the fact that it is about Miranda and romance, it makes a whole lot of sense and might serve as inspiration.)

"People are afraid of themselves, my darling. They're afraid of their reality and their feelings most of all. I believe your Miranda is the same. They grow up knowing love in one way or another and then somewhere along the line, and no matter the age, someone breaks their heart. Perhaps it was a friend who broke it, or a lover, or a family member. But no matter, they learn that love and trust hurt. They are taught that love is dangerous and serves no purpose other than pain. They will not love if they are afraid to feel. Yet they do not understand that the pain is meant to wake us up. You find your strength in the experience because it's all in how you carry through it that matters. Tell your Miranda that you love her. Show her not to be afraid. I would not be surprised to find that those three simple words are all she needs to hear from you." 

[Taboo]

The only thing missing from this character analysis is comparative shot analysis.

That would be so cool.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 08 août 2012 - 01:27 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

What would be the Perfect Christmas Gift for Miri? Any thoughts?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 août 2012 - 01:27 .

[jtav]

Awwww.

I mean, I am above such sentimental nonsense.

[Taboo]

jtav wrote...

Awwww.

I mean, I am above such sentimental nonsense.

Would you like to talk about Europeon Nihilsm?

I'm preparing an essay on Theodoros Angelopoulos' O Mellisokomos.

That too is about an inability to connect and that film ends in suicide. Is THAT what you want?

[Td1984]

In LotSB, the old Shadow Broker mentions that the offer from the Collectors regarding Shepard's body still stands. Also, if you bring Miranda, he mentions that capturing the two of them would do serious damage to Cerberus. Both indicate it takes place prior to the SM.

As for where Earthborn Shepard is from, I have Thomas as being from Los Angeles in my headcanon. Russian he is not.

Modifié par Td1984, 08 août 2012 - 01:32 .

[Taboo]

I think the intention with Earthborn Shepard is that you can pick wherever you want him to be from (NO WAY TABOO).

On Javik's mission for instance, he does not specify where exactly, allowing for complete freedom of choice in that regard.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Td1984 wrote...

In LotSB, the old Shadow Broker mentions that the offer from the Collectors regarding Shepard's body still stands. Also, if you bring Miranda, he mentions that capturing the two of them would do serious damage to Cerberus. Both indicate it takes place prior to the SM.

As for where Earthborn Shepard is from, I have Thomas as being from Los Angeles in my headcanon. Russian he is not.

Like I said, this could be a Flaw, even for the Shadow Broker's Knowledge. He may not even found info Regarding the Destruction of the Collector Base and the Resignation which Miri took part of. You really think the Collectors would have told him their Location? TIM knew how to get there, and TIM knows how to hide Info from the SB.