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[Caihn]

Some screenshots I've never posted before :

[Babi_Siha]

Yannkee wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

She's in no way involved in the Cerberus plot, nor does she even acknowledges what's become of the organization, there's a war going on with the biggest threat the galaxy has ever seen and all Miranda cares about is Oriana. The most in-character moment of Miranda happened in an email that an Alliance officer sent to her about her going after Cerberus. Gone is the pragmatic, smart and complex woman.

The lack of content doesn't make Miranda out of character.

You expected a full cake, and you received a small portion of it. But this portion is still part of the same cake.
No need to reject the other things that also make Miranda who she is.

And what exactly about ME3 Miranda makes her who she is? She's totally out of character, Miranda loved her sister in ME2, but the mission always came first. What happened to that girl? The real Miranda would also join Shepard after she rescued Oriana. Miranda would also certainly have more saying about Cerberus and what TIM  has turned into.

Content is what made the character we all love, so not having any content and complexity pretty much dismisses Miranda. Her character in ME3 suffered a lobtomy.

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 11 août 2012 - 06:05 .

[Taboo]

They used a character trait to pull the story along ma'am. That's ALL it is.

Notice how EVERYTHING in her past is brought to light in one final bull rush? She can even die.

Her role in ME3 is nothing more than a half ass job of closing her arc.

Too bad they forgot Cerberus. Fail.

[Caihn]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

She's in no way involved in the Cerberus plot, nor does she even acknowledges what's become of the organization, there's a war going on with the biggest threat the galaxy has ever seen and all Miranda cares about is Oriana. The most in-character moment of Miranda happened in an email that an Alliance officer sent to her about her going after Cerberus. Gone is the pragmatic, smart and complex woman.

The lack of content doesn't make Miranda out of character.

You expected a full cake, and you received a small portion of it. But this portion is still part of the same cake.
No need to reject the other things that also make Miranda who she is.

And what exactly about ME3 Miranda makes her who she is? She's totally out of character, Miranda loved her sister in ME2, but the mission always came first. What happened to that girl? The real Miranda would also join Shepard after she rescued Oriana. Miranda would also certainly have more saying about Cerberus and what TIM has turned into.

I wouldn't mind a small portion of the cake, as long as it had content and unlike what you think, there wasn't any content, just bunch of blablabla about her sister.

Everything in ME3 is Miranda, she never said anything or act like someone else. The problem is what she doesn't do, not what she does.
Nobody would complain if there was more than what we've got. If she was involved in the cerberus arc, the reaper war, if we could see her in action ...

Like I said, all the existing content could have been put in the first act. And we could see all the other aspects of her character during the rest of the game.

Modifié par Yannkee, 11 août 2012 - 06:10 .

[Caihn]

Taboo-XX wrote...
Too bad they forgot Cerberus. Fail.

Not just Cerberus.

I wanted more for Miranda, not just a Cerberus story arc.

[shepskisaac]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Miranda loved her sister in ME2, but the mission always came first.

Which is why she disagreed to take care of Oriana situation in ME2 till after the Collectors were dealt with. Ohh wait she didn't.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Yannkee wrote...

I wish Miranda could wear her loyalty outfit in ME3.

*snip*

I don't understand why they didn't make all the ME2 characters appear with their alternate outfit in ME3 if they were loyal in ME2.

At first I was hoping for her to have a COMPLETELY NEW  outfit, and possibly a different Hairstyle, not that I don't like Miri's Hairstyle in ME3. I Love it. I thought that, for "Sequel" and "Time" Purposes, every character who served in your Squad would have a different design for an Outfit in ME3.

When I saw Miri in the FemShep Trailer, that wasn't the case. And when I thought that maybe....just maybe the ME2 Characters' Outfits would vary between the ones (Non DLC) they had in ME2 depending on Loyalty, because I wouldn't mind if Miri wore her Loyalty Outfit in ME3. It would have been better for Continuity Purposes. Unfortunately, I was still wrong. Was it too hard to do this? 

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 11 août 2012 - 06:20 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Too bad they forgot Cerberus. Fail.

Cerberus really needs more of a plot than "we just needed some other mooks for you to shoot at". 

[JeanLuc761]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

I wish Miranda could wear her loyalty outfit in ME3.

*snip*

I don't understand why they didn't make all the ME2 characters appear with their alternate outfit in ME3 if they were loyal in ME2.

At first I was hoping for her to have a COMPLETELY NEW  outfit, and possibly a different Hairstyle, not that I don't like Miri's Hairstyle in ME3. I Love it. I thought that, for "Sequel" and "Time" Purposes, every character who served in your Squad would have a different design for an Outfit in ME3.

When I saw Miri in the FemShep Trailer, that wasn't the case. And when I thought that maybe....just maybe the ME2 Characters' Outfits would vary between the ones (Non DLC) they had in ME2 depending on Loyalty, because I wouldn't mind if Miri wore her Loyalty Outfit in ME3. It would have been better for Continuity Purposes. Unfortunately, I was still wrong. Was it too hard to do this? 

It's less difficult than it is resource intensive.  I don't know when in the production line they came up with Miranda's story arc, but she's definitely a side character in ME3 and, as such, a character re-design would be much lower priority than someone in the main cast.  Yeah, you can say "Well, Jack got a redesign!"  She did, but it was argiably ncessary for her character; they aren't about to have an Alliance teacher walking around in a belt bra.  Miranda doesn't NEED a redesign, it would just be nice to have one.

My $0.02

[Babi_Siha]

IsaacShep wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

Miranda loved her sister in ME2, but the mission always came first.

Which is why she disagreed to take care of Oriana situation in ME2 till after the Collectors were dealt with. Ohh wait she didn't.

Just like Jacob couldn't get over his issue with daddy, Jack had to put an end to Pragia, Samara had to chase her daughter, Thane had to save his son, Garrus had to get back to Sidonis... Besides, they were gathering info as time went by, so they had time to go after her sister since they would be on Illium anyway to recruit Samara.

[Taboo]

The point of the Loyalty Missions was to tie up loose ends. They didn't know if they were coming back. That was the whole point of them. TIM mentions this IN dialogue.

That's why when they're finished, it says that said squad member is now focused on the mission.

The possibility of impending death makes you contemplate what you've done in your life.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 11 août 2012 - 06:32 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

It's less difficult than it is resource intensive.  I don't know when in the production line they came up with Miranda's story arc, but she's definitely a side character in ME3 and, as such, a character re-design would be much lower priority than someone in the main cast.  Yeah, you can say "Well, Jack got a redesign!"  She did, but it was argiably ncessary for her character; they aren't about to have an Alliance teacher walking around in a belt bra.  Miranda doesn't NEED a redesign, it would just be nice to have one.

My $0.02

But it doesn't make sense. Why would they make "Loyalty" Outfits, only to get rid of them in ME3? Wouldn't the Loyalty Outfits work better for "Continuity?"

[Stalker]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

I wish Miranda could wear her loyalty outfit in ME3.

*snip*

I don't understand why they didn't make all the ME2 characters appear with their alternate outfit in ME3 if they were loyal in ME2.

At first I was hoping for her to have a COMPLETELY NEW  outfit, and possibly a different Hairstyle, not that I don't like Miri's Hairstyle in ME3. I Love it. I thought that, for "Sequel" and "Time" Purposes, every character who served in your Squad would have a different design for an Outfit in ME3.

When I saw Miri in the FemShep Trailer, that wasn't the case. And when I thought that maybe....just maybe the ME2 Characters' Outfits would vary between the ones (Non DLC) they had in ME2 depending on Loyalty, because I wouldn't mind if Miri wore her Loyalty Outfit in ME3. It would have been better for Continuity Purposes. Unfortunately, I was still wrong. Was it too hard to do this? 

It's less difficult than it is resource intensive.  I don't know when in the production line they came up with Miranda's story arc, but she's definitely a side character in ME3 and, as such, a character re-design would be much lower priority than someone in the main cast.  Yeah, you can say "Well, Jack got a redesign!"  She did, but it was argiably ncessary for her character; they aren't about to have an Alliance teacher walking around in a belt bra.  Miranda doesn't NEED a redesign, it would just be nice to have one.

My $0.02

She needed the redesign more than Jack actually. 

First, she is on the run from Cerberus and wearing an official Cerberus outfit minus the logo is not really an efficient way to hide.
Second, she is on the run from exactly that company she has been working for all of her adult life. Shepard changed her (especially romanced) more than he changed Jack. Jack is still that unfriendly "****" that she has always been. Miranda on the other hand is so much changed that she leaves Cerberus. Even squadmates recognize how she is smiling for the first time at work (or something like that)

[JeanLuc761]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

It's less difficult than it is resource intensive.  I don't know when in the production line they came up with Miranda's story arc, but she's definitely a side character in ME3 and, as such, a character re-design would be much lower priority than someone in the main cast.  Yeah, you can say "Well, Jack got a redesign!"  She did, but it was argiably ncessary for her character; they aren't about to have an Alliance teacher walking around in a belt bra.  Miranda doesn't NEED a redesign, it would just be nice to have one.

My $0.02

But it doesn't make sense. Why would they make "Loyalty" Outfits, only to get rid of them in ME3? Wouldn't the Loyalty Outfits work better for "Continuity?"

The loyalty outfits were more to give players options than it was anything else.  I almost never used them. 

[flemm]

IsaacShep wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

Miranda loved her sister in ME2, but the mission always came first.

Which is why she disagreed to take care of Oriana situation in ME2 till after the Collectors were dealt with. Ohh wait she didn't.

There's really no contradiction there, as completing the LM increases focus on the mission.

Miranda also recommends continuing to work on recruitment and loyalty rather than rushing to the endgame (it's Jacob who wants to rush).

Focusing on the mission doesn't necessarily mean having a one-track mind or only caring about one particular thing.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I used them, even the DLCs too. They were perfect for progression.

@ Mr Massakka

This! Since Miri is on the run, it would have been logical for BioWare to create a different Design for her attire. Plus, she walks in public on the Citadel. Wouldn't people recognize her. BioWare made her a target for sure. It would have been best if she had an Outfit that was less recognizable. Maybe a Jacket (Almost Similar to Shepard's), and possibly a different Hairstyle? Something that would keep her from being recognized.

It would have been great to see her in a secret place on the Citadel when reuniting with her after the first Email.

[Caihn]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Even squadmates recognize how she is smiling for the first time at work (or something like that)

Yeah I really like that line of Kasumi.

[Babi_Siha]

Yannkee wrote...

Everything in ME3 is Miranda, she never said anything or act like someone else. The problem is what she doesn't do, not what she does.
Nobody would complain if there was more than what we've got. If she was involved in the cerberus arc, the reaper war, if we could see her in action ...

Like I said, all the existing content could have been put in the first act. And we could see all the other aspects of her character during the rest of the game.

Yeah, but since that didn't happen and all we had was Ori this, Ori that, she wasn't really acting like herself. Actually, Jack got less screen time than Miranda, but her arc was a lot more satisfaying, she had personal growth, Miranda just regressed as a character.

And you wrote that the problem is what she doesn't do, but not doing something also defines who you are. The Miranda from ME2 would try to find her sister, but would be concerned about the Reapers as well and would be fighting against them.

But since she was on Earth and "crashed" Shepard's little party than that's enough to make her who she is /sarcasm.

[Caihn]

I woud have liked a recolored loyalty outfit.

In red, like the one I made :

Modifié par Yannkee, 11 août 2012 - 06:46 .

[Caihn]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Yeah, but since that didn't happen and all we had was Ori this, Ori that, she wasn't really acting like herself. 

I have no problem with Miranda wanting to save her sister, and the fact that it's her priority. I have a problem with the fact that they made her do this during the entire game, and then not joining Shepard when her sister is safe.

[shepskisaac]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Just like Jacob couldn't get over his issue with daddy, Jack had to put an end to Pragia, Samara had to chase her daughter, Thane had to save his son, Garrus had to get back to Sidonis... Besides, they were gathering info as time went by, so they had time to go after her sister since they would be on Illium anyway to recruit Samara.

And Oriana situation in ME3 is connected to her father working with TIM. So yeah

[wright1978]

Yannkee wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

Yeah, but since that didn't happen and all we had was Ori this, Ori that, she wasn't really acting like herself. 

I have no problem with Miranda wanting to save her sister, and the fact that it's her priority. I have a problem with the fact that they made her do this during the entire game, and then not joining Shepard when her sister is safe.

For me she could have time for both trying to locate her sister and building a faction of Cerberus renegades to oppose TIM. As it currently stands it seems she does nothing till after Sanctuary which to me makes her seem extremely out of character.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I wonder if the Devs even had ideas for Alternate Outfits for Miri?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 11 août 2012 - 07:11 .

[TheSixthghoul]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I used them, even the DLCs too. They were perfect for progression.

@ Mr Massakka

This! Since Miri is on the run, it would have been logical for BioWare to create a different Design for her attire. Plus, she walks in public on the Citadel. Wouldn't people recognize her. BioWare made her a target for sure. It would have been best if she had an Outfit that was less recognizable. Maybe a Jacket (Almost Similar to Shepard's), and possibly a different Hairstyle? Something that would keep her from being recognized.

It would have been great to see her in a secret place on the Citadel when reuniting with her after the first Email.

Bioware logic is hiding in plain sight and wearing flamboyant attire so no one see you.

Modifié par Sixth Goul, 11 août 2012 - 07:10 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

@ Sixth Goul ?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 11 août 2012 - 07:13 .