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[hot_heart]

JeanLuc761 wrote...
I'd argue that Mass Effect 2 suffers from that problem more than ME3 does.  Think about the between-mission stuff (that wasn't a one-on-one conversation with a squadmate)...there really wasn't much.  The Normandy felt very dead as nobody moved around or talked to each other, the hubs were just the same repeated lines when you walk by people...it was really nice to look at but there wasn't much substance unless you were on a mission.

Ridiculous and arbitrary fetch quests aside, I think Mass Effect 3 actually did better with the "in-between" than either of its predecessors.  The Normandy and the hubs were lively, there was almost always new content to see, and everything changed in keeping with the story (people would talk about recent events or whatnot).  

I see what you're saying and agree that ME3 did bring in some really nice additions in terms of 'liveliness'.

Maybe I should've phrased it a little clearer but I don't think ME3 really allows that feeling of exploration or discovery. From the lack of hubs to the almost one-speed pace of the levels (GO GO GO! SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT!) it seems to lack a certain diversity present in the earlier games and there's no real time to 'stop and smell the roses' for want of a better term. And I would attribute a lot of that to the fact it's a full-on war, rather than a failing on the developer's half.

Not that I don't love the combat immensely. Just that I don't get the same RPG vibe as I did before.

EDIT: Damnit. Top again.

Modifié par hot_heart, 13 août 2012 - 09:31 .

[jtav]

I miss Miranda, but I also miss the chance to pick my own loyalties and emotions.

[o Ventus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I can't see anything in there that would help with sweat. Do you?

*snip*

Perhaps it's simply not apparent. Or maybe she really does need to shower after each mission. I would imagine she has a whole wardrobe of these things...

Shepard could be augmented like Adam Jensen.

Maybe he has dehumidifiers in his hands.

He's going to be sweating too. I would imagine the pain on his back from having her ride him will cause some stress sweat.

Plus it is the engine room...

DANG GIRL...

No back pain. At least, for my Shepard, he fully upgraded the heavy bone and heavy skin weaves.

[JeanLuc761]

krukow wrote...

I'll agree with JeffZero. If Miranda was a squadmate and the ending were tweaked just slightly (just a bit), ME3 would easily be my favorite of the series.

I don't even think she needs to be a squadmate.  Give her something similar to Lair of the Shadow Broker (in terms of quality, not necessarily in length) and I think that will be enough.  

[o Ventus]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

krukow wrote...

I'll agree with JeffZero. If Miranda was a squadmate and the ending were tweaked just slightly (just a bit), ME3 would easily be my favorite of the series.

I don't even think she needs to be a squadmate.  Give her something similar to Lair of the Shadow Broker (in terms of quality, not necessarily in length) and I think that will be enough.  

No.

Squadmate status or bust.

[dtrain24]

Geez the thread is moving fast, haha.

In actuality, Miranda isn't TOO hard to kill off in the Suicide Mission. Not that I ever will do it.
But all you need to do is side with Jack and bring her to the boss fight.

[hot_heart]

o Ventus wrote...
Squadmate status or bust.

Or ass. LOL!

[Taboo]

o Ventus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I can't see anything in there that would help with sweat. Do you?

*snip*

Perhaps it's simply not apparent. Or maybe she really does need to shower after each mission. I would imagine she has a whole wardrobe of these things...

Shepard could be augmented like Adam Jensen.

Maybe he has dehumidifiers in his hands.

He's going to be sweating too. I would imagine the pain on his back from having her ride him will cause some stress sweat.

Plus it is the engine room...

DANG GIRL...

No back pain. At least, for my Shepard, he fully upgraded the heavy bone and heavy skin weaves.

The thing is is that all it does is make the skin tougher and the bones nigh impossible to break.

It says nothing of nerve endings. 

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I miss Miranda, but I also miss the chance to pick my own loyalties and emotions.

I find it interesting that people complain a lot about having fewer dialogue options, when, according to some devs on twitter anyway, there aren't really that many fewer options. I would guess it might be due to players feeling a lot more "locked in" overall.

[jtav]

Not squad status, but she needs to do something onscreen and that tends to go hand in hand with squad status.

[JeanLuc761]

o Ventus wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

krukow wrote...

I'll agree with JeffZero. If Miranda was a squadmate and the ending were tweaked just slightly (just a bit), ME3 would easily be my favorite of the series.

I don't even think she needs to be a squadmate.  Give her something similar to Lair of the Shadow Broker (in terms of quality, not necessarily in length) and I think that will be enough.  

No.

Squadmate status or bust.

Then you'll never be satisfied with it.  Unless Bioware decides to completely change her established story arc for Mass Effect 3, I can't see how she can be anything other than a temporary squadmate at best.

[jtav]

I thought you meant squad status within a DLC. Because she'll never be added as a full squad member due to tech limitations.

[o Ventus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I can't see anything in there that would help with sweat. Do you?

*snip*

Perhaps it's simply not apparent. Or maybe she really does need to shower after each mission. I would imagine she has a whole wardrobe of these things...

Shepard could be augmented like Adam Jensen.

Maybe he has dehumidifiers in his hands.

He's going to be sweating too. I would imagine the pain on his back from having her ride him will cause some stress sweat.

Plus it is the engine room...

DANG GIRL...

No back pain. At least, for my Shepard, he fully upgraded the heavy bone and heavy skin weaves.

The thing is is that all it does is make the skin tougher and the bones nigh impossible to break.

It says nothing of nerve endings. 

Alas, Shepard's reconstruction wasn't 100% perfect.

At least with the skin weave you can maybe/sort of rationalize it as hardening his skin, thus requiring more force to pierce and break. It wouldn't be so easy to put enough pressure on Shepard to really affect him with a 5/5 upgrade.

[o Ventus]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

krukow wrote...

I'll agree with JeffZero. If Miranda was a squadmate and the ending were tweaked just slightly (just a bit), ME3 would easily be my favorite of the series.

I don't even think she needs to be a squadmate.  Give her something similar to Lair of the Shadow Broker (in terms of quality, not necessarily in length) and I think that will be enough.  

No.

Squadmate status or bust.

Then you'll never be satisfied with it.  Unless Bioware decides to completely change her established story arc for Mass Effect 3, I can't see how she can be anything other than a temporary squadmate at best.

Then by all means, change her established ME3 arc, not that there's much of an arc to change anyway.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I thought you meant squad status within a DLC. Because she'll never be added as a full squad member due to tech limitations.

Apparently so, and not really necessary anyway (as much as I'd like to have her around a lot more).

Having said that, it's really pointless to try to do the devs work for them. We can support more Miranda, and they get to decide if/how that happens.

[ChrisRudson]

RamilVenoard wrote...

ChrisRudson wrote...

Also, I can't recall that we had a timed mission on ME3. Like the one on ME2 that you had to escape the geth dreadnought(Legion LM).
Also, I'd replay ME2 today. I miss everything in that game, except scanning planets. Pretty much, I'd like to see the whole romance again.

Gibbed Save Game Editor. Get all the best parts of ME2 without the scanning planets. Except of course, Uranus, because EDI is hilarious on that note.

Oh, but that only works on PC...

Yeah "Probing Uranus?"

[JeanLuc761]

jtav wrote...

I thought you meant squad status within a DLC. Because she'll never be added as a full squad member due to tech limitations.

Well I don't know about that.  Javik was integrated easily enough, wasn't he?  

[o Ventus]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I thought you meant squad status within a DLC. Because she'll never be added as a full squad member due to tech limitations.

Well I don't know about that.  Javik was integrated easily enough, wasn't he?  

From Ashes was also content that was supposed to be in the game from the start, not cut cut for release-day DLC.

[Taboo]

o Ventus wrote...

Alas, Shepard's reconstruction wasn't 100% perfect.

At least with the skin weave you can maybe/sort of rationalize it as hardening his skin, thus requiring more force to pierce and break. It wouldn't be so easy to put enough pressure on Shepard to really affect him with a 5/5 upgrade.

The nerve endings are still there is what I was stressing.

Some areas are not restricted to pain.

You WANT to feel certain things. 

[flemm]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Well I don't know about that.  Javik was integrated easily enough, wasn't he?  

Well, he was basically built into the game as a squaddie, you just had to pay extra. Apparently adding additional full-time squad is not possible in ME3 (this was something Mr. Weekes stated on twitter).

I can only guess that this is due to the more robust banter system, as compared to ME2. (Adding a squaddie in ME3 would mean re-recording dialogue with every other squaddie for all missions.)

Having said that, it's really the type of thing we can't know much about. So... we'll see, I guess.

Modifié par flemm, 13 août 2012 - 09:42 .

[o Ventus]

flemm wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Well I don't know about that.  Javik was integrated easily enough, wasn't he?  

Well, he was basically built into the game as a squaddie, you just had to pay extra. Apparently adding additional full-time squad is not possible in ME3 (this was something Mr. Weekes stated on twitter).

I can only guess that this is due to the more robust banter system, as compared to ME2. (Adding a squaddie in ME3 would mean re-recording dialogue with every other squaddie for all missions.)

Having said that, it's really the type of thing we can't know much about. So... we'll see, I guess.

Assuming that a post-release DLC character would necessarily require an excessive amount of banter (or banter at all).

[Lawrence0294]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I thought you meant squad status within a DLC. Because she'll never be added as a full squad member due to tech limitations.

Well I don't know about that.  Javik was integrated easily enough, wasn't he?  

Similar to Kasumi and Zaeed, Javik was already programmed during developement

Weeks said it would be near impossible to make a full time squadmate aftre the shiping of the game

And....ninjaed:ph34r:

Modifié par kratos0294, 13 août 2012 - 09:44 .

[fiendishchicken]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

krukow wrote...

I'll agree with JeffZero. If Miranda was a squadmate and the ending were tweaked just slightly (just a bit), ME3 would easily be my favorite of the series.

I don't even think she needs to be a squadmate.  Give her something similar to Lair of the Shadow Broker (in terms of quality, not necessarily in length) and I think that will be enough.  

No.

Squadmate status or bust.

Then you'll never be satisfied with it.  Unless Bioware decides to completely change her established story arc for Mass Effect 3, I can't see how she can be anything other than a temporary squadmate at best.

I'm sorry, but there is just too much wrong with the game for me (Warning: I delve a lot into nitpick territory) Bad opening, terrible ending, minus Javik a bland squad full of people I don't care about or mildly like, or people I hate. The forced pro-alliance scumbag that Shepard becomes, the lack of Miranda, forced liara, auto-dialogue, near brainlessness of every character, fetch-quests, bugs, running animations, bad cover system, and the forced rehashes of unfunny jokes (I get it Garrus, about the calibrations. Ha-****ing-ha) the lack of a decent Cerberus arc, the general lack of ME2 overall (developers: "what's Mass Effect 2?") terrible journal system, constant breaking of the lore, lack of regard to the codex, and a whole lot of narrative complaints from broken promises.

A lot of it gets to a point where I just can't play the game.

[hot_heart]

o Ventus wrote...
Assuming that a post-release DLC character would necessarily require an excessive amount of banter (or banter at all).

Yeah. Just say that Shepard smuggled Miranda aboard and she has to stay put in the cabin.

[flemm]

o Ventus wrote...

Assuming that a post-release DLC character would necessarily require an excessive amount of banter (or banter at all).

Well, like I said, we really can't know much about it. So, what happens happens.

This is basically the meaning of the expression, "Give them what they want, not what they ask for."

As fans, we tend to guess what devs will or will not do prior to asking.

But... we don't really know enough about it to be able to say.


So anyway: More Miranda PLZ LoL

Modifié par flemm, 13 août 2012 - 09:47 .