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[Taboo]

I don't ever think I've seen a Panda do that before...

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 14 août 2012 - 09:51 .

[Aliqaiser]

Just a bit curious....

Illusive man is certainly a "good guy" in ME2 comparing to what he is in ME3, (he also has the glowing eyes from ME2 as well) my question was, is he in Reaper control in ME2 as well? if so why does he helps Shepard (by bringing him back) take down the Collectors and try to stop (delay) the Reapers. Don't know but this is confusing...

And About Harbinger, what's cool is...... What creature where they before they turned into what we know today? Giant Squids?

[Taboo]

The Ilusive Man had a motive ALL along. He wanted Collecter tech.

Look at the ending where everyone dies. I believe it shows ships going through the relay.

He used Shepard. He states this in ME3.

He was nothing more than the puppet-master who was in fact, being controlled himself.

[hot_heart]

I think the Illusive Man had fought indoctrination for a long time, ever since that first contact with Reaper tech, but it's an insidious whisper that gradually bends your will to the Reapers' own ends. So, eventually, while he was convinced he was doing the right thing, he was playing into their hands as things went on.

Modifié par hot_heart, 14 août 2012 - 09:54 .

[Aliqaiser]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

kratos0294 wrote...

Support for Harbinger as squadmate and Romance DLC 

 

I...you...oh dear.  

Lol, also the top comments are Hilarious.

[o Ventus]

Aliqaiser wrote...

Just a bit curious....

Illusive man is certainly a "good guy" in ME2 comparing to what he is in ME3, (he also has the glowing eyes from ME2 as well) my question was, is he in Reaper control in ME2 as well? if so why does he helps Shepard (by bringing him back) take down the Collectors and try to stop (delay) the Reapers. Don't know but this is confusing...

I think TIM was indoctrinated (or becoming more indoctrinated) ever since his encounter with the Arca Monolith in the comics, and his actions beyond that point have been supporting the Reapers in some form or fashion. Vendetta's line about there always being an indoctrinated splinter faction every cycle supports this.

Off topic, but would Eliza Cassan have made a better Catalyst?

[hot_heart]

o Ventus wrote...
Off topic, but would Eliza Cassan have made a better Catalyst?

Not sure what you mean exactly (without getting spoilery)

But I know lillitheris mentioned Avina being used to represent that Catalyst. And that struck me as a strangely interesting idea.

[flemm]

Aliqaiser wrote...
Illusive man is certainly a "good guy" in ME2 comparing to what he is in ME3, (he also has the glowing eyes from ME2 as well) my question was, is he in Reaper control in ME2 as well? if so why does he helps Shepard (by bringing him back) take down the Collectors and try to stop (delay) the Reapers. Don't know but this is confusing...

Well, the idea seems to be that there is an element of indoctrination going back to the origins of Cerberus, but it doesn't really "take over" until some time towards the end of ME3 (because what Henry is doing on Sanctuary really does pose a threat to them, hence why the Reapers attack the facility).

It's really not all that coherent. Because, up until the last minute, Cerberus is actually doing things that are detrimental to the Reapers (at least potentially). And in ME2, definitely.

To the extent that they are doing anything pro-Reaper, it's that they are getting in Shepard's way. But, of course, Shepard wouldn't even be there without Cerberus. So... meh.

Modifié par flemm, 14 août 2012 - 09:59 .

[Aliqaiser]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The Ilusive Man had a motive ALL along. He wanted Collecter tech.

Look at the ending where everyone dies. I believe it shows ships going through the relay.

He used Shepard. He states this in ME3.

He was nothing more than the puppet-master who was in fact, being controlled himself.

I was kinda looking forward to convert him from what he was, but it seemed the indoctrination was to powerful.

[o Ventus]

hot_heart wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
Off topic, but would Eliza Cassan have made a better Catalyst?

Not sure what you mean exactly (without getting spoilery)

But I know lillitheris mentioned Avina being used to represent that Catalyst. And that struck me as a strangely interesting idea.

Eliza and the Catalyst are both... Inhuman, and Eliza is a newscaster. Just judging by the way she reports the news in Deus Ex, I think I would have at least been able to hold my laughter if it was her Shepard speaks to on the Citadel.

[krukow]

If it was Eliza, we couldn't complain about the deus ex ripoff endings though, because she would have been foreshadowing...

[Taboo]

I would have preferred a ball of light or nothing at all. A disembodied voice would have been better.

Simply adding exposition in a falling action makes the writing terrible, but the forced symbolism with the kid is a kick in the groin.

REALLY? REALLY?

[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I would have preferred a ball of light or nothing at all. A disembodied voice would have been better.

Simply adding exposition in a falling action makes the writing terrible, but the forced symbolism with the kid is a kick in the groin.

REALLY? REALLY?

The absolutely painful exposition dump at the worst possible moment has always been one of the biggest problems with how the ending was written. Also, it's one aspect that the EC actually made significantly worse, since there is even more.

I went through this again the other day, and even Shepard is just standing there, limping in pain, for like ten minutes, basically saying... Whaaa? WTF? What do you mean? What the hell? LoL? Really? Huh?

It's just ridiculous.

One thing I think would be smart to do with the Leviathan DLC would be to give you all that exposition, and perhaps some added details during that mission, so that, when you get to the starbrat, you have a new option that basically amounts to: "Yes, I know everything you are going to say, STFU and get out of my way."

Would be a vast improvement imo.

Modifié par flemm, 14 août 2012 - 10:10 .

[krukow]

flemm wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I would have preferred a ball of light or nothing at all. A disembodied voice would have been better.

Simply adding exposition in a falling action makes the writing terrible, but the forced symbolism with the kid is a kick in the groin.

REALLY? REALLY?

The absolutely painful exposition dump at the worst possible moment has always been one of the biggest problems with how the ending was written. Also, it's one aspect that the EC actually made significantly worse, since there is even more.

I went through this again the other day, and even Shepard is just standing there, limping in pain, for like ten minutes, basically saying... Whaaa? WTF? What do you mean? What the hell? LoL? Really? Huh?

It's just ridiculous.

One thing I think would be smart to do with the Leviathan DLC would be to give you all that exposition, and perhaps some added details during that mission, so that, when you get to the starbrat, you have a new option that basically amounts to: Yes, I know everything you are going to say, STFU and get out of my way.

Would be a vast improvement imo.

Renegade interrupt: Shep walks right by the kid and shoots the tube?

And no conventional victory stuff, that doesn't work with the current ending, my renegade interrupt does.

[o Ventus]

flemm wrote...

I went through this again the other day, and even Shepard is just standing there, limping in pain, for like ten minutes, basically saying... Whaaa? WTF? What do you mean? What the hell? LoL? Really? Huh?

It's just ridiculous.

Maybe not.

Any sane person would do the same thing in Shepard's place, though probably not for the same reasons...

[Taboo]

I already say STFU and get out of my way.

I have no time for logical fallacies.

Neither does my Shepard.

The responsibilities of his actions are his to take, but that sure as **** doesn't mean that this won't make an interesting story.

And seeing as the Stargazer scene takes place ten thousand years in the future, I'm assuming that the Catalysts assessment that my Shepard's children will create Synthetics that will wipe out all life has been given a SIGNIFICANT kick in the pants.

He may still be right, but that's a hell of a grace period.

[Stalker]

flemm wrote...

I went through this again the other day, and even Shepard is just standing there, limping in pain, for like ten minutes, basically saying... Whaaa? WTF? What do you mean? What the hell? LoL? Really? Huh?

It's just ridiculous.

One of the things that reminded me how much of a controversy the endings caused and how they wanted to simply go the very safe route. 

StarChild (and BioWare) is treating Shepard (and the players) like morons. It gives explanations you would have assumed anyway with a little of brain or it just expands and repeats what it previously said. 
In addition to that, all this clarification completely takes the pace out of the endings and I found myself almost falling asleep the second time I tried Synthesis. Half an hour of dialouge with Shepard playing stupid...

They just had too much to fix. Kinda like trying to fix a collapsed building with a bunch of nails. 

[lillitheris]

flemm wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I would have preferred a ball of light or nothing at all. A disembodied voice would have been better.

Simply adding exposition in a falling action makes the writing terrible, but the forced symbolism with the kid is a kick in the groin.

REALLY? REALLY?

The absolutely painful exposition dump at the worst possible moment has always been one of the biggest problems with how the ending was written. Also, it's one aspect that the EC actually made significantly worse, since there is even more.

The exposition needed to be there, but not there.

[Taboo]

I can't take much of it seriously. The writing is so sudden it DOES insult you.

I can actually see them trying to fix this in Leviathan though. Giving us SOME foreshadowing.

I'm not sure how I'd react to that to be honest.

What my real hope is is that all this DLC will be good enough to make some the bad parts of the game appear less so.

A foolish hope, but one I hold onto.

I'm not sure, but I think Weekes was involved with this one.

[Lawrence0294]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I can't take much of it seriously. The writing is so sudden it DOES insult you.

I can actually see them trying to fix this in Leviathan though. Giving us SOME foreshadowing.

I'm not sure how I'd react to that to be honest.

What my real hope is is that all this DLC will be good enough to make some the bad parts of the game appear less so.

A foolish hope, but one I hold onto.

I'm not sure, but I think Weekes was involved with this one.

Really......hum, my hopes just got a bit higher

Where is the stare picture when you need it 

[o Ventus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'm not sure, but I think Weekes was involved with this one.

Ahh.

That means that Shepard's dialogue will be automated.

We like that, don't we?

[Prudii Aden]

The ending is a pile of horse manure, and while the EC is a reasonable attempt to "improve" or "clarify" it, it's still trying to improve a pile of manure, and no matter how much you improve a pile of manure, at the end of the day, it's still a pile of manure.

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

What my real hope is is that all this DLC will be good enough to make some the bad parts of the game appear less so.
.

Eh, even with the bad stuff, the good stuff just outweighs it.  No amount of starkid can undo the absolutely awesome goodbye when you call for the normandy or when Ash doesn't put up your namepl...
oh, right.  Sorry.

[Lawrence0294]

krukow wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

What my real hope is is that all this DLC will be good enough to make some the bad parts of the game appear less so.
.

Eh, even with the bad stuff, the good stuff just outweighs it.  No amount of starkid can undo the absolutely awesome goodbye when you call for the normandy or when Ash doesn't put up your namepl...
oh, right.  Sorry.

.......i hate you 

[Taboo]

krukow wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

What my real hope is is that all this DLC will be good enough to make some the bad parts of the game appear less so.
.

Eh, even with the bad stuff, the good stuff just outweighs it.  No amount of starkid can undo the absolutely awesome goodbye when you call for the normandy or when Ash doesn't put up your namepl...
oh, right.  Sorry.

We get this:



Miranda knows you're coming back. I'd like to think that she'd get impatient though and find Shepard herself.

She'll see Shepard sooner than Ashely will.

Problem?

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 14 août 2012 - 10:56 .