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[pj179]

Maybe, Ieldra. I'm thinking the reason that they've been so tight-lipped about Miranda (and Jacob) is to avoid spoiling some massive plot detail in ME3. So I'm hoping this means she'll be prominent in the game.

[Ieldra]

A question for those looking into other character threads: are the other characters' fans as obsessed with the idea that their character must have an important role in the plot as we are, or is their focus more on presence on the team or the romance? Or something else?

[Caihn]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

"Before we've started this mission, I never would have questioned our goals. I just hope we made the right choice."
"I hope whatever Cerberus finds in that base is worth it"

Hmmmmm.

I prefer the other. The resignation fits her character development better, but that's my opinion.

That base is an abomination. I like the fact that Miri agreed on destroying it.

I also prefer the other choice, because if she doesn't resign (I don't think it will happen, I think she resigns anyway) and considering her opinion about the collector base, I don't think she will still be comfortable with working for TIM (especially if she works in the cell which has to study base).
About the CB decision, everybody has his/her own opinion about this. And this thread is not the place for such debate.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ieldra2 wrote...
 @101:
"Abomination" is a judgmental term loaded with moral meaning that is not applicable  when you deal with strategic resources.  If the life of the galaxy is at stake, you cannot afford to follow moral intuitions like that, specifically if all you want to get from it is information about how better to fight the Reapers. Miranda would know that  But we had that discussion.

It's just preference/opinion.

The way I see it, and hopefully Miri, that base had a peace of technology we fight against. If it is not used properly, it would cause our downfall. And Cerberus with the Reapers would only make it worse.

Plus TIM only wanted it for just human dominance, as if he only cared for the survival humanity, another way of saying "**** you" to other races. 

This war is for the survival of every race out there. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one." That is something that TIM must understand.

I have no doubts that Miri realizes that. She is MOST DEFINITELY NOT zenophobic.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 juillet 2011 - 08:48 .

[Vertigo_1]

Ieldra2 wrote...

A question for those looking into other character threads: are the other characters' fans as obsessed with the idea that their character must have an important role in the plot as we are, or is their focus more on presence on the team or the romance? Or something else?

Some threads are waiting for something to show up regarding their character(screenshots/gameplay), others are discussing certain events ingame relating to their character.
I believe there a few that just mainly post fan art and fanfiction

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 30 juillet 2011 - 08:44 .

[Midnight Reyn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

A question for those looking into other character threads: are the other characters' fans as obsessed with the idea that their character must have an important role in the plot as we are, or is their focus more on presence on the team or the romance? Or something else?

As an Ashley fan, I'd be disappointed if all of Ashley's involvement in Mass 3 was related to the romance. Not because I think Ashley is the bestest everz ™ but because I think there's so much to her character that hasn't been explored that could be (along with her relationship with Shepard). There's a lot of backstory there that could be included into larger plots and to be honest I'd like to know what Ashley's been up to in the 2 years my John Shepard has been away.

Not having much of a presence in the second game - I'm hoping she's invovled a lot more in 3, as well as being a continuing romance option. I'd love for her to be involved in the major plot itself, but as long as her character is explored and the relationship with Shepard furthered and deepened - I can go without her being a lynchpin to whatever main plotline Bioware is cooking up for 3.

[Ieldra]

@101:
What you don't get is that are all *secondary* objectives, contingent on the defeat of the Reapers, the primary objective. It's stupid to treat these concerns as primary just because it fits better into your moral framework, especially if your decision increases the risk of failing the primary objective. At this point, we are in a war for survival. Our moral intuitions are not made for such situations. In fact, it's almost a dictum in research of human decision-making that our normal moral intuitions, applied as absolutes to situations where the fate of whole societies is at stake, usually lead to disaster.

So no, it is not a matter of perspective. It is a matter of setting your priorities correctly. Cerberus is strictly a *secondary* concern at that point.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 juillet 2011 - 08:54 .

[jtav]

I disagree with Ieldra about moral intuition--their are higher goods than survival--but I was never sold on keeping the base per se as any kind of moral evil.

[spirosz]

Ieldra2 wrote...

A question for those looking into other character threads: are the other characters' fans as obsessed with the idea that their character must have an important role in the plot as we are, or is their focus more on presence on the team or the romance? Or something else?

I actually see Miranda playing a very important role during the events of ME3 because of her father and ties with Cerberus.  Even though she wasn't my LI, she played an important role in Shepard life, being someone I can depedant on, but still having different viewpoints on specific things.  Funny seeing a Jackolyte saying this?

For me, I can't see a romanced Jack being anywhere else but with Shepard and on the Normandy.  She really has nowhere to go and no ties to anything impactful - Miranda and Cerberus, Tali and the Quarian Fleet, Legion and the Geth, etc.   So for me, I believe she'll play an important role in my story.

[srjepsen]

I agree Miranda had an ooc moment, I opted to keep the base, I would condone constructing a turian or krogan reaper, scratch that, a Yahg reaper, now that would be bad ass!

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@101:
What you don't get is that are all *secondary* objectives, contingent on the defeat of the Reapers, the primary objective. It's stupid to treat these concerns as primary just because it fits better into your moral framework, especially if your decision increases the risk of failing the primary objective. At this point, we are in a war for survival. Our moral intuitions are not made for such situations. In fact, it's almost a dictum in research of human decision-making that our normal moral intuitions, applied as absolutes to situations where the fate of whole societies is at stake, usually lead to disaster.

So no, it is not a matter of perspective. It is a matter of setting your priorities correctly. Cerberus is strictly a *secondary* concern at that point.

I appreciate your thought in the matter, I see where you are getting at, but I apologize.

I just see it a different way that is quite the opposite of what you decide.
Even though the SM's final moment is different for us, there is no telling what might happen in ME3.
As I recall, despite my decision to blow the base to hell, Cerberus constructs one anyway. But destroying the collector base fits the way my experiences in ME1 & ME2 are portrayed.
This is no right or wrong/ intelligent or stupid answer or decision.

Sorry if my reasoning is unintellegent. Or at least my support for my opinion.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 juillet 2011 - 09:02 .

[Ieldra]

@101:
Perhaps not right or wrong in an absolute sense, 101. But I claim that if you treat the defeat of the Reapers as your primary objective, then, given that we're still grasping at straws for a means to achieve that, you cannot destroy the Collector base.
The problem is that Cerberus evokes strong emotions, and, as David Hume says, "reason is the slave of the passions". Most arguments for destroying the base are after-the-fact rationalizations. Wishful thinking, based on the expectation that some other solution for the primary problem will present itself and their moralistic reasoning will regain its importance. That is, of course, absolutely correct, but only because this is a story and not reality.

Note how the *real* Paragon decision in Arrival - which would be to try to wriggle out of the necessity of destroying a star system - results in a game over screen. That's the risk you're taking by destroying the base. By sheer dumb luck and the will of the writers, it will have no such effect in ME3.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 juillet 2011 - 09:17 .

[Ieldra]

And now back to Miranda:

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

You make it seem like I must change my course of action. But I do not wish to. I'm no Renegade.

And keeping the base increases Miri's chance of becoming indoctrinated. I must not take that chance.

I found it logical to destroy the base ever since I first played ME more than a year ago. I'm not about to change it now.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 juillet 2011 - 09:20 .

[Ieldra]

Most of my Shepards are Paragades or neutrals, too. It's just that keeping the base is one of the Renegade decisions I most often take. I have one game (of eight) where I destroyed it.

And well, should Miranda become indoctrinated, I'd be sorely tempted to replay the suicide mission. 100% metagaming of course. But I'm confident that won't happen.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 juillet 2011 - 09:22 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I have one Shepard, one that I have been meta-gaming since I got the game. The biggest part of the meta-gaming was finally importing, Staying Loyal to Miri of course.

The next will be sacrifice, in order to have a natural feel. I'm not sacraficing Miri if that's what you're thinking. Doing that to your LI is unforgivable.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 juillet 2011 - 09:26 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

And Here is another Miri pic made by my good friend Yannkee, I believe.



And this one was made by me. It was my first Fan-Made Pic.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 juillet 2011 - 09:37 .

[Perfecti0nist]

What would you do if you had to sacrifice Miranda in order to save lives or succeed in a major mission? That's a very hard decision and I think we'll probably be put in similar situations in ME3, a choice between squadmate and the mission.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Oh boy not that question. I cannot be confronted by a question such as this.

[Ieldra]

Perfecti0nist wrote...
What would you do if you had to sacrifice Miranda in order to save lives or succeed in a major mission? That's a very hard decision and I think we'll probably be put in similar situations in ME3, a choice between squadmate and the mission.

I would risk a hundred thousand deaths to keep Miranda alive. After all, I am the one who fights the Reapers. But should the success of a critical mission be at stake, then Cyrus Shepard would rather risk Miranda's life, as they have promised each other not to risk the future of humanity for the other. I am almost certain it will not come to that, though. I think we'll get a Virmire-like situation, only mission-based, where we can decide for one or the other mission, and possible squadmate deaths are one of the consequences.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 juillet 2011 - 09:58 .

[breakdown71289]

Yeah this type of decision i hated the most in inFAMOUS. It was either save my girlfriend or save six doctors that could potentially save even MORE lives. In the end i chose the doctors, but damn did i feel miserable afterwards, regardless of the fact that it was for the greater good.

Modifié par breakdown71289, 30 juillet 2011 - 10:06 .

[Vertigo_1]

breakdown71289 wrote...

Yeah this type of decision i hated the most in inFAMOUS.

There was a similar choice in Alpha Protoccol...won't say more as jtav I think, is still playing it

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 30 juillet 2011 - 10:11 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I hope nothing like this ever happens in ME3. If this were to happen I choose Miri. I don't want to loose the only LI I have, and could ever have. I don't want to be forced to have another li.

I'm still holding up to what Jessie Houston told me.

[jtav]

I'd choose Miranda. As a player/viewer, I pretty much hate the non-squad NPCs. Miranda, etc. are the only reason I'm not rooting for the Reapers. So I'd let the galaxy burn for her.

[jtav]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

breakdown71289 wrote...

Yeah this type of decision i hated the most in inFAMOUS.

There was a similar choice in Alpha Protoccol...won't say more as jtav I think, is still playing it

Beat it. Would have had more impact if I hadn't been playing a cold-blooded bastard. But Marburg dies next time.