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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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Taboo-XX wrote...

I was thinking a nice apartment on some planet...

Not something...complex.


The way I see it, Shepard and Miranda have the galaxy open to them.

The Normandy, a large home in NSW, an apartment on the Citadel, an apartment on Illium, and a prefab on Intai'sei.

And a beach retreat on Nevos.

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krukow wrote...

Dude, Taboo is right. Sequestered together in a warm cabin somewhere surrounded by snow? As long as they have supplies and power (and given this is the miri thread, I could see some of you headcanoning starvation, you silly grimdarkers), cold is romantic as can be.


Not starvation. A zombie attack.

Ever see Dead Snow?

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^ I really need to get that replacement Xbox... I don't think I've played ME1 in...two years.

Needless to say, I want something like an apartment on some planet. Nothing flashy.

I like that. Simple, yet sophisticated.

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o Ventus wrote...

krukow wrote...

Dude, Taboo is right. Sequestered together in a warm cabin somewhere surrounded by snow? As long as they have supplies and power (and given this is the miri thread, I could see some of you headcanoning starvation, you silly grimdarkers), cold is romantic as can be.


Not starvation. A zombie attack.

Ever see Dead Snow?


Ever see The Thing? 

The last thing Shepard needs is Miranda's head splitting from her body and walking away. :sick:

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Taboo-XX wrote...

The last thing Shepard needs is Miranda's head splitting from her body and walking away. 


Miranda's head removing itself from her body and turning into a grotesque, upside-down spider creature.

...

Welp, I'm having nightmares.

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o Ventus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The last thing Shepard needs is Miranda's head splitting from her body and walking away. 


Miranda's head removing itself from her body and turning into a grotesque, upside-down spider creature.

...

Welp, I'm having nightmares.


I'd have taken that over a little boy in the dreams...wouldn't you?

Miranda, in at least one dream sequence?

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Miranda, in at least one dream sequence?


Only if she dies.

And she never does in my games.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Miranda, in at least one dream sequence?


Only if she dies.

And she never does in my games.


No no. I mean like having one specific dream pertaining to your respective LI.

They don't have to die. They simply have to...not be saved in the dream.

I'm hoping you'd take that over Billy the Kid...

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Taboo-XX wrote...

No no. I mean like having one specific dream pertaining to your respective LI.

They don't have to die. They simply have to...not be saved in the dream.

I'm hoping you'd take that over Billy the Kid...



Yes, as would any sane and rational person.

Out of all the forced "emotion" in ME3, the kid is the single worst part.

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o Ventus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

No no. I mean like having one specific dream pertaining to your respective LI.

They don't have to die. They simply have to...not be saved in the dream.

I'm hoping you'd take that over Billy the Kid...



Yes, as would any sane and rational person.

Out of all the forced "emotion" in ME3, the kid is the single worst part.


I'd have preferred dreams about people your Shepard was closest to. One would obviously be a LI, the other the crew mate you talk to the most or something.

Who the hell thought the kid was a good idea?

Oh yeah, Walters...

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krukow wrote...
And that's true, but it's still murder.  Kahoku has done nothing wrong or immoral, he's simply carrying out his duty.  Cerberus kills him purely out of self-interest.  If I kill someone because they know I broke the law and that their continued existance will result in me facing consequences, I'm murdering them.  Cerberus is no different.

I'll concede that it's a sticky question, and that's why I'm curious as to where you all think Miranda falls into it, and what she thinks of it.


I'm a bit late for this but...

Kahoku had sensitive information on a project that, if not for Shepard, could have created expendable shock troops for high risks scenarios which could have saved the lives of many humans, Alliance, Cerberus and civillians. Killing him so the project could be salvaged is quite justifiable. The needle marks on his arm suggest his execution was painless,

Miranda is not a particularly nice person. She seems to have a distate for pointless violence "Interrogation is sometimes necessary but this is just pointless cruelty" but she is more than capable of murdering in cold blood.
Was Wilson really that much of a threat? Against Miranda, Shepard and Jacob? Not really, I suspect she already knew everything he could have said and decided executing him on the spot was the most expedient way of dealing with him.

Modifié par MisterJB, 15 août 2012 - 04:53 .


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It isn't justifiable. It is an action you have taken to solve a problem, It may be ideal but you can't justify it.

That isn't morally grey. It would have been just as viable to capture him and imprison him.

Until it involves you everyting is black and white.

As I've stated before, I'm sure you'd have some reservations if someone decided putting a bullet in your head was the best solution if they though it might save future lives.

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Don't you have any better arguments other than attempt to personalize it? "If it was you, you wouldn't say the same thing". I'm not Kahoku.

Keeping him imprisoned for the rest of his life is just not practical or feasible and, obviously, Cerberus can't trust him to not report his findings to the Alliance. Killing him was necessary and it's easily justifiable.

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LanceSolous13 wrote...

What did she DO to Veetor? O_o


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I expect Veetor was unresponsive because he is unstable and was in an unfamiliar environment, much like he is when Shepard finds him. So, Cerberus gave him drugs to keep him lucid.

BTW, wearing Cerberus armor on the Quarian Flotilla... LIKE A BOSS! A year or so before this, the Migrant Fleet had been attacked by a squad wearing these same armors.

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MisterJB wrote...

Miranda is not a particularly nice person. She seems to have a distate for pointless violence "Interrogation is sometimes necessary but this is just pointless cruelty" but she is more than capable of murdering in cold blood.
Was Wilson really that much of a threat? Against Miranda, Shepard and Jacob? Not really, I suspect she already knew everything he could have said and decided executing him on the spot was the most expedient way of dealing with him.


Considering that Wilson was a known traitor and Lazarus Station was falling apart at the seams killing him was the best option. Judging from ME2 she likes to have things planned down to the last detail, having to resort to murder when it wasn't already part of the plan would probably be considered a failure on her part. She's perfectly capable of doing horrible things to you it probably won't be her first resort. Miranda fits the Good Is Not Nice trope.

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As in during the Suicide Mission, the Illusive Man was going against Shepard's moral ideals to destroy the base?
Effectively betraying humanity in the process.

"I'm gonna win this war, and I'll do it without sacrificing the soul of our species."

I wonder why everyone assumes their playthrough is canon. My Shepard never said those words, keeping the base was not against his moral ideals.

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kratos0294 wrote...
Support for Harbinger as squadmate and Romance DLC :P

 

:lol::lol:
ROFL. Literally. This is hilarious.

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jtav wrote...
I just finished a game where I romanced the VS and it really drove home how much the email and slides did for Miranda. Not that I wouldn't like more Miranda content, but I know now that Shep was only seeing a piece of the puzzle and she was also leading a crack team while fretting over Ori. And I know she's working on something significant post-war. The team will never get that.

Yeah, the email and the slides save her presence in ME3 from being a total failure, but nothing can repair the absence of a Miranda/Cerberus arc, because had she had a significant impact on the big picture there, we would know about it. I was talking with Elyvern yesterday about how Miranda and Shepard were equals in ME2 and how ME3 destroyed that.
It may be hard to be equal to a living legend, but Miranda had her own legendary achievement in ME2. All that was needed was an impressive role and presence in the Cerberus plot...

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Illusive man is certainly a "good guy" in ME2 comparing to what he is in ME3, (he also has the glowing eyes from ME2 as well) my question was, is he in Reaper control in ME2 as well? if so why does he helps Shepard (by bringing him back) take down the Collectors and try to stop (delay) the Reapers. Don't know but this is confusing...



Well, the idea seems to be that there is an element of indoctrination going back to the origins of Cerberus, but it doesn't really "take over" until some time towards the end of ME3 (because what Henry is doing on Sanctuary really does pose a threat to them, hence why the Reapers attack the facility).

It's really not all that coherent. Because, up until the last minute, Cerberus is actually doing things that are detrimental to the Reapers (at least potentially). And in ME2, definitely.

To the extent that they are doing anything pro-Reaper, it's that they are getting in Shepard's way. But, of course, Shepard wouldn't even be there without Cerberus. So... meh.

I think the turning point was when TIM let himself implanted with Reaper tech. Until then, nothing he did benefitted the Reapers. As I see it, he was too intelligent to let the indoctrination gain control over him for all those years. Indotrination subtly subverts, it doesn't control until the final stage, and TIM's the kind of person who would see when anything benefitted the Reapers even in a roundabout way. Only in the end the Reaper influence caused him to  believe that letting himself implanted would help him gain control over them. Only then he was lost.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 août 2012 - 07:01 .


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krukow wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

What my real hope is is that all this DLC will be good enough to make some the bad parts of the game appear less so.

Eh, even with the bad stuff, the good stuff just outweighs it.  No amount of starkid can undo the absolutely awesome goodbye when you call for the normandy or when Ash doesn't put up your namepl...
oh, right.  Sorry.

And Miranda's epilogue slides and everything else. I agree that all the revelations come very sudden, but there wasn't really another option for an unplanned DLC like the EC than to add exposition at this point, and the EC made an excellent attempt at damage control. The Catalyst as a god-like authority figure is really the only remaining problem.

I do have hope the Leviathan DLC will integrate Reaper exposition better into the overarching plot. Too bad we won't be able to take Miranda there...

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Catalyst > Miranda.

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jtav wrote...
I kind of like her disappearing, maybe faking a suicide, and working as a scientist. Shep too. (Hey, Destroy-ers aren't the only ones who can wave away the bits they don't like.

I have her as an independent consultant in biosynthetic engineering (post-Synthesis), becoming famous for things others say can't be done - or shouldn't be done. Shepard comes back and becomes an archaeologist and historian, the first chronicler of the new era. Both use false identities of course.

(And before someone says that's OOC for Shepard: people change. Cyrus Shepard was always an unwilling hero, he did what he did because he was good at it and because it was necessary, because there was no one else. After ME3, he has the opportunity to do something else and he will take it)

@Ghost0107:
What's this cheap attempt at trolling? :P

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Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I just finished a game where I romanced the VS and it really drove home how much the email and slides did for Miranda. Not that I wouldn't like more Miranda content, but I know now that Shep was only seeing a piece of the puzzle and she was also leading a crack team while fretting over Ori. And I know she's working on something significant post-war. The team will never get that.


Yeah, the email and the slides save her presence in ME3 from being a total failure, but nothing can repair the absence of a Miranda/Cerberus arc, because had she had a significant impact on the big picture there, we would know about it. I was talking with Elyvern yesterday about how Miranda and Shepard were equals in ME2 and how ME3 destroyed that.

It may be hard to be equal to a living legend, but Miranda had her own legendary achievement in ME2. All that was needed was an impressive role and presence in the Cerberus plot...


Jay Watamaniuk (who wrote Miranda, Kaidan, and Ash in ME3) is really good at writing romance dialogue but runs into problems with characterization. Ash's sidequest on the Citadel with Sara is really similar to Miranda's plot with Oriana minus the whole death camp angle. Family is a part of Ash and Miranda's character but the issue is that Jay focuses on it to the exclusion of other character traits. The end result is a Miranda and Ash who don't feel like their in character.

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fiendishchicken wrote...

kaymarierose wrote...

 Hell, they could get a house on Rannoch with the quarians. Be next door neighbors to Tali and Garrus. :P


They aren't the settle down type. They'll have a Citadel Apartment, a home in New South Wales, and an Illium apartment. 

Along with the Intai'sei settlement. 

And Cronos Station, after they've requisitioned it from the alliance.

Ah yes, I almost forgot I wanted Miranda and Shepard to take over Cronos Station. Probably too far from civilization to serve as a permanent home, but as a base of operations it's nice.

Hmm...I must make more than one "personal canon" Shepard to realize all my ideas.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

I think the turning point was when TIM let himself implanted with Reaper tech. Until then, nothing he did benefitted the Reapers. As I see it, he was too intelligent to let the indoctrination gain control over him for all those years.


Intelligence has nothing to do with indoctrination, it’s established time and again. TIM’s only saving grace was that his contact was so brief that the influence was minimally invasive.



Taboo-XX: get a real computer.

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