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[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Then they are not applicable.

Nothing that Miranda consists of has done anything to improve the human condition.

Reread the definition. It is the study and exploration of those processes. Benefits might not necessarily be obtained overnight (or even potentially at all). Some transhuman thinkers might even condemn most of these processes (it is not necessarily about saying that they are great.)

Taboo-XX wrote...

You need to state that explicitly. This is a result of cherry picking.

You stated that it WAS the mid point.

Human -> Trans -> Post.

That's essentially what you said.

The term can be used to indicate a transition or intermediary state between the human and the post-human.
But not necessarily in the sense that there is a "stage of evolution" that has been attained. That is an overly simplistic way of looking at it.

Artificially constructing and enhancing the genome is a transhuman element because it could represent such an intermediary state or process. Again, it's not really all that complicated.

Miranda's enhancements are good things that could be beneficial for humanity in the long run. That doesn't validate her father's methods or motivations in the slightest way.

Modifié par flemm, 16 août 2012 - 03:01 .

[Taboo]

The concept of transhumanism in Mass Effect is not the one you are applying. She is human by game standards. She is not the mid point in evolution.

They're nothing more than upgrades, a false attempt at adaption. It does nothing to improve the human condition. She still cries. She still bleeds. She still hurts.

[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...
She still cries. She still bleeds. She still hurts.

Well, of course!

People in the middle ages did, too, and they also lived to thirty-five or so if they were lucky

Improving the human condition doesn't imply removing all the ills of this life. But the human condition is improved a lot over time despite that. While of course retaining many essential elements.

[Taboo]

flemm wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
She still cries. She still bleeds. She still hurts.

Well, of course!

People in the middle ages did, too, and they also lived to thirty-five or so if they were lucky

Improving the human condition doesn't imply removing all the ills of this life. But the human condition is improved a lot over time despite that. While of course retaining many essential elements.

I'm not even sure what you're even arguing anymore.

All I've been trying to say for the last forty or so minutes is that she is human.

An amalgamation.

The only difference was the stage she was at.

In fact I honestly don't think we've been on the same page FOR several pages.

[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...

In fact I honestly don't think we've been on the same page FOR several pages.

Fair enough

[Taboo]

I apologize for any distress I may have caused, that wasn't my intention.

Slightly OT: There is a drinking game in the Fan Section of the forums now. I have been attached to some aspect Miranda related. Amusing to say the least.

Back to discussion between Oriana and Miranda regarding Shepard...

[Jonata]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I apologize for any distress I may have caused, that wasn't my intention...

...but I fully support Dinosaur DLC.

I agree with you, Taboo, but this is the Miranda thread.

[LanceSolous13]

Orianna: "So, This is the great Commander Shepard Miri has told me so much about."
Shepard: "You've talked to her about me?"
Miranda: "I might have mentioned my boyfriend to my sister."

*pause while everyone takes a bite of food*

Oriana: "So, The Engine room huh?"

*Miranda's mouth drops and Shepard chokes on his food*

Shepard: *after downing a mouthful of Turian Whiskey* "You told her about THAT?!"
Miranda: "I didn't even tell her we'd had sex."

[kaymarierose]

Jonata wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I apologize for any distress I may have caused, that wasn't my intention...

...but I fully support Dinosaur DLC.

I agree with you, Taboo, but this is the Miranda thread.

Everybody take 5 sips.  I can't, but I can laugh at all your drunk typing.

 

Modifié par kaymarierose, 16 août 2012 - 03:55 .

[kaymarierose]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Orianna: "So, This is the great Commander Shepard Miri has told me so much about."
Shepard: "You've talked to her about me?"
Miranda: "I might have mentioned my boyfriend to my sister."

*pause while everyone takes a bite of food*

Oriana: "So, The Engine room huh?"

*Miranda's mouth drops and Shepard chokes on his food*

Shepard: *after downing a mouthful of Turian Whiskey* "You told her about THAT?!"
Miranda: "I didn't even tell her we'd had sex."

Pffhaha. I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read that. 

[Taboo]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Shepard: *after downing a mouthful of Turian Whiskey* "You told her about THAT?!"
Miranda: "I didn't even tell her we'd had sex."

I can see my Shepard doing that...

As in I have a clear image in my head.

Just add a WTF cough.

[LanceSolous13]

I'm not exactly sure what Oriana would say. She's sort of a blank slate for anyone who writes her.

[Taboo]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I'm not exactly sure what Oriana would say. She's sort of a blank slate for anyone who writes her.

Ventus once asked me the same thing.

She's as intelligent as Miranda but has a sense of humor and had a loving home.

Anything is technically fair game.

[enayasoul]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Orianna: "So, This is the great Commander Shepard Miri has told me so much about."
Shepard: "You've talked to her about me?"
Miranda: "I might have mentioned my boyfriend to my sister."

*pause while everyone takes a bite of food*

Oriana: "So, The Engine room huh?"

*Miranda's mouth drops and Shepard chokes on his food*

Shepard: *after downing a mouthful of Turian Whiskey* "You told her about THAT?!"
Miranda: "I didn't even tell her we'd had sex."

ha ha ha... so funny.   

I bet I know who told Oriana.  

"Kasumi!"

[LanceSolous13]

I was thinking Kasumi but why would either of them have spoken before Sanctuary?

[Taboo]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I was thinking Kasumi but why would either of them have spoken before Sanctuary?

Well anyone who was in the armory would have known what they were doing had they looked down. :innocent:

[LanceSolous13]

Oriana would never have met Mordin prior to his demise and I can see Jacob avoiding Oriana like the plague. I've yet to see anyone else go into either rooms and the Crew Deck Rooms can't view the engine area.

Funny thing, Kasumi and Ori are the same age. I can see them being good friends. Actually, I can only think of a handful of people Kasumi wouldn't be friends with.

[Taboo]

I saw her telling Shepard that to tease him, not be malicious.

I'm not sure she'd tell Oriana ALL the details.

I'm sure Oriana already knows that Shepard and Miranda have created "The Best with Two Backs" more than once.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 16 août 2012 - 04:22 .

[Skullheart]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Shepard: *after downing a mouthful of Turian Whiskey* "You told her about THAT?!"

Thanks to Lazarus Tech Shepard can drink dextro drinks. xD

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I was thinking Kasumi but why would either of them have spoken before Sanctuary?

Well anyone who was in the armory would have known what they were doing had they looked down. :innocent:

same with the medlab. possibly the crew quarters and life support as well

[Dr. Doctor]

Creating a thread with a few questions for Jay Watamaniuk. Anybody have something they want to ask? Just remember to keep it civil.

[Skullheart]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Creating a thread with a few questions for Jay Watamaniuk. Anybody have something they want to ask? Just remember to keep it civil.

Tried to formulate some questions, but none of them are... non-offensive.

Edit.

Oh yeah, maybe this one: When Miranda was assigned to him, did he even check feedback from the banbase? Or even visited the Miranda thread looking what her fans wanted for her?

Modifié par Skullheart, 16 août 2012 - 04:47 .

[flemm]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Creating a thread with a few questions for Jay Watamaniuk. Anybody have something they want to ask?

Not really, tbh 

[Taboo]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Creating a thread with a few questions for Jay Watamaniuk. Anybody have something they want to ask? Just remember to keep it civil.

I'd like to know how he feels about Miranda's emotional and mental state at the time. Both Romanced and Unromanced.

[LanceSolous13]

Oops. I wasn't thinking when I wrote Turian Whiskey. Though, I suppose it could be Turian MADE, but not dextro.

Anyways, I think Miranda would guess that Ori knew they'd made love but, its more that she knew such a spesific detail about something she couldn't possibly know which has both shocked.

Considering Ori is able to....

-Figure out Miranda is the XO of the Normandy SR-2 under the command of Commander Shepard (I doubt Miranda would have discussed Cerberus or Shepard out of fear of endangering her or scaring her off)
-Track down Commander Shepard's persional email address
-Guess that Miranda would likely read Shepard's Emails even though Kelly already does so.