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[Captain Scruff N7]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Creating a thread with a few questions for Jay Watamaniuk. Anybody have something they want to ask? Just remember to keep it civil.

 Could you ask his opinion on a LotSB-style DLC featuring Miranda?   

[LanceSolous13]

I would be interested in his opinion of Shepard and Miranda's future, but I'm. slightly afraid of his answer...

[Captain Scruff N7]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I would be interested in his opinion of Shepard and Miranda's future, but I'm. slightly afraid of his answer...

This too ^

[Taboo]

BE QUIET LANCE. 

Don't give them ideas! 

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 16 août 2012 - 05:07 .

[krukow]

FYI, a few mirimancers have trolled the ash thread tonight. I have a revenge in mind. Coming in a few weeks.

Fair warning

[Taboo]

A few weeks? Pfft. I'll just find your Twitter and send you Miranda pictures.

Anyhoo...

I was thinking about what Shepard would say to Oriana the first time they officially "meet".

Thoughts?

[krukow]

he would have to reference the email, right? From ME2?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

flemm wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

In fact I honestly don't think we've been on the same page FOR several pages.

Fair enough

THREE MIRIS <3:wub:!!!!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 16 août 2012 - 05:23 .

[Taboo]

krukow wrote...

he would have to reference the email, right? From ME2?

I'd hope he'd have something better than that to say.

It would obviously be Miranda related...

[Dr. Doctor]

Okay then questions for Jay thread posted. Let's see what happens

[LanceSolous13]

Miranda: "Ori, This is Shepard."
Shepard: *shakes her hand* "Hi. I'm Commander Shepard."

*Ori is shocked at meeting THE Commander Shepard and faints*

Shepard: "....Surprisingly, This has never happened before..."

I honeslty have no idea what they'd really say...

Also, I'd imagine that Shepard has Chuck Norris meme-status after Mass Effect 1.

[Taboo]

I think Oriana would be able to contain herself. Although I'm sure she's jealous in some capacity.

She would approve of Shepard and Miranda. I'm sure sure she would discuss her feelings on the relationship at some point.

[lillitheris]

flemm wrote...

That term doesn't really apply, because "pedigree" implies breeding or inherited traits. Not designed or engineered traits. So, that term is really not appropriate.

"Transhuman" is appropriate: her genome is artificially designed and enhanced. That is a non-controversial statement, really. It is simply part of the character.

This isn’t really true, you’re overinterpreting genetic engineering.

There are no parts in her genome that could not occur naturally (and could, in fact, be accomplished with breeding—it just takes a really long time). There are no parts that could not exist simultaneously, kind of by definition.

So to speak of transhumanism is to muddy the issue completely.

[Ieldra]

Aliqaiser wrote...
With the Mysterious Relic 25% completed, and with so many possibilities to push the plot forward. we decided to ask a hand ful of question's. just to see what you the viewer thinks about it, as loyal Fan feed-backs are very important to us.

Question 1- If you ever get to see Kai-Leng again, what are the things you are most eager to see about him, and how do you want him to play out, if Bad-ass, How Bad-ass are we talking about?

I'd rather not see him again at all. But if it must be, make him a reasonably competent enemy but let Miranda hold her own against him. I want to see what ME3 didn't show.

Question 2- Something new being mentioned is always a plus in a universe as rich as ME. Till what extenet you can enjoy it and digest it. what is your end limit, and if you have any ideal contribution for the comic, please feel free to share it.

Not sure what you mean, but anything that doesn't break the consistency of the universe and its identity as an SF universe is OK. ME3 did damage enough in that regard, I'd rather not see more of that.

And before going I though to share my most recent work, Hope you like it.Plus for Miranda Fans, I have Miranda coming up next.

I like your style, as usual. and I'm looking forward to seeing Miranda!

@flemm, Taboo:
I'll chime in later into your discussion about transhumanism (you know I would, right?), but I'm off to GamesCom and probably offline for much of the day. It will have to wait.

[Ieldra]

lillitheris wrote...

flemm wrote...

That term doesn't really apply, because "pedigree" implies breeding or inherited traits. Not designed or engineered traits. So, that term is really not appropriate.

"Transhuman" is appropriate: her genome is artificially designed and enhanced. That is a non-controversial statement, really. It is simply part of the character.

This isn’t really true, you’re overinterpreting genetic engineering.

There are no parts in her genome that could not occur naturally (and could, in fact, be accomplished with breeding—it just takes a really long time). There are no parts that could not exist simultaneously, kind of by definition.

So to speak of transhumanism is to muddy the issue completely.

Javik notices that Miranda's genetic structure is artificially created. He would not be able to make that distinction if Miranda's traits could come about naturally. flemm is correct. Also, read Miranda's Codex entry.

[lillitheris]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Javik notices that Miranda's genetic structure is artificially created.

Javik ‘Ridiculous Magic Prothean Powers’ the Prothean? Yeah.

He would not be able to make that distinction if Miranda's traits could come about naturally.

He would not be able to make that distinction if the writers had any sense at all.

Also, read Miranda's Codex entry.

You mean this part where it says exactly what I’m saying?

Codex:
Using a modified copy of his own genome, Miranda was genetically
engineered to be a specimen of human perfection. Everything, from her
intelligence, physical constitution, biotic abilities, to her appearance
were designed before birth to be excellent.

I’m unfortunately not terribly surprised that the scope and limitations of genetic engineering is unclear to you.

[o Ventus]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Also, I'd imagine that Shepard has Chuck Norris meme-status after Mass Effect 1.

When Superman reversed time by spinning the Earth backwards, it wasn't really Superman. It was Commander Shepard hitting the rewind button. Silly Superman for thinking he can reverse time by spinning the Earth backwards.

[o Ventus]

kaymarierose wrote...

I prefer to think that she didn't sleep with any of them. But that has no merit and is just how I'd prefer view her as a person. It is very possible that she was just lonely and wanted some form of companionship.

This.

[o Ventus]

krukow wrote...

So honest question.

If they do release a Miranda DLC, wouldn't you see it being the last one released? I mean, it's appeal will obviously be to the hardcore fanbase who are going to stick with the game (or easily come back to it). So it would make sense to release story-related DLC with fun gameplay now while the general fans are still around (and haven't completely moved on) and release the character stuff for us BSN style folk later when we're all that's left. It's sorta like Witchhunt (which really didn't add a whole lot to the gameplay, but was total closure for us character nuts). As I understand it, that came out like a year or more after DA:O came out.

So I guess my question is, if that is what happened, would you all still be interested?

*snip*

Definitely. Witch Hunt is probably my favorite DA:O DLC, almost purely because it focuses on Morrigan (as well as allowing for a more "appropriate" ending, since my Warden romanced her and did the ritual).

[flemm]

lillitheris wrote...

There are no parts in her genome that could not occur naturally (and could, in fact, be accomplished with breeding—it just takes a really long time). There are no parts that could not exist simultaneously, kind of by definition.

I'm not sure what you mean by the "exist simultaneously" part.

The fact that it could be accomplished some other way (maybe) over a really, really long time doesn't really matter. It was accomplished a certain way, very quickly.

The codex entry for ME3 was this, I believe:

"Miranda Lawson is a high-ranking former Cerberus operative and a human biotic. Lawson headed Project Lazarus, the Cerberus operation that brought Commander Shepard back from the brink of death after the first Normandy was destroyed.

Lawson is herself an example of the achievements possible through genetic engineering. She was created in 2150 through manipulation of her father’s DNA. Her entire physical and mental composition was deliberately engineered, including a longer lifespan and a superior immune system.

Lawson accompanied Commander Shepard on the maiden voyage of the Normandy SR-2 and was part of the crew responsible for the defeat of the Collectors. She has since left Cerberus. Her current whereabouts are unknown."

Modifié par flemm, 16 août 2012 - 09:03 .

[lillitheris]

flemm wrote...

I'm not sure what you mean by the "exist simultaneously" part.

The fact that it could be accomplished some other way (maybe) over a really, really long time doesn't really matter. It was accomplished a certain way, very quickly.

Yes, it matters. It can certainly be accomplished; there are no ‘artificial’ parts to her genome, there is no external support that ties it together, there is nothing but human genes. It’s only the composition of the sequence that has been purposely engineered.

That’s a huge difference. It’s not transhuman. It’s human. More human than human, if you will.


In summary: Miranda is in no way comparable to synthetic life in the sense that the distinction is used in the ME universe (which is what the original argument was).

I don’t really see the point of discussing this any further, anyway, so…whatever. I just hate the dilution of terms until they mean absolutely nothing.

[flemm]

lillitheris wrote...
I don’t really see the point of discussing this any further, anyway, so…whatever. I just hate the dilution of terms until they mean absolutely nothing.

Well, I'm afraid the opposite is true in the sense that the term doesn't mean that organic life has been combined with synthetic parts. It just doesn't mean that necessarily: it has a broader meaning that is generally accepted (as in: that is the one you will find if you look up the concept in an encyclopedia or other reference tool).

On the other hand, I don't want to get too hung up on the terminology. It is a word that can be used in a variety of ways. Obviously, if one prefers to think of Miranda primarily as "genetically engineered," then that is also true.

Modifié par flemm, 16 août 2012 - 11:28 .

[Babi_Siha]

This thread needs more Miri:

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 16 août 2012 - 12:17 .

[hot_heart]

Can only pop in briefly, but I'm with flemm (surprise, surprise). Transhumanism is a very broad term under which 'genetic engineering' falls. And it's about the impact of technology in altering the human condition not as narrow as adding synthetic parts to organics. In this case, it is with regards to reprogenetics and the cultural and societal effect that would have.

Though, I seem to recall someone mentioning something about this in vitro manipulation already being done on other individuals (Ashley and her eyesight?). So that element is already there, it's just not been explored in Mass Effect to any great extent.

[flemm]

hot_heart wrote...
Though, I seem to recall someone mentioning something about this in vitro manipulation already being done on other individuals (Ashley and her eyesight?).

It's true, that would be another example of a transhuman element. (In-vitro fertilisation itself was/has been considered a transhuman tendency. We are just used to that idea so it doesn't really register with us anymore.)

But the concept has never, ever been limited to replacing parts of the brain or body with synthetics. It also doesn't suggest that the individual in question is no longer human (necessarily). Theoretically it might eventually, but obviously not in Miranda's case (or in the case you note where in vitro manipulation took place).

Modifié par flemm, 16 août 2012 - 12:24 .