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[Taboo]

flemm wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

And?

And there's no reason why the two should be incompatible. Or that Miranda should suddenly become a tragic figure because she has decided she wants a family.

Everybody knows this. Which is why everybody immediately says, "well, of course they are compatible, Miranda just doesn't have enough content."

She is out on the edge. Just like every other person I mentioned in my above post.

They are not tragic, they are misplaced.

They are the Passenger, the outsider, the prodigal.

Her character is interchangable with a lot of the characters in the films I watch,own, have written about or have studied. I could put her in a Robert Bresson film for example. Her demeanor would be perfect for it.

They are representative of wanting to be normal. As it turns out it doesn't exist. It's all a lie perpetuated by society. At the end of the day she's human, just like the rest of us.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 16 août 2012 - 05:00 .

[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...

They are representative of wanting to be normal. As it turns out it doesn't exist. It's all a lie perpetuated by society. At the end of the day she's human, just like the rest of us.

You're right, it doesn't exist. But what you're describing is really more sophisticated than what we are looking at here, for that reason.

Modifié par flemm, 16 août 2012 - 05:02 .

[LanceSolous13]

Dude, We don't even know how old Miranda was when she used those dating services. For all we know, It might have been just after she escaped Henry and ran into Cerberus' open arms. She could have been just simply looking for companionship and been nieve enough to believe that was to be expected of her in some way.

We don't know all the details of this dating thing she did.

[fiendishchicken]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Dude, We don't even know how old Miranda was when she used those dating services. For all we know, It might have been just after she escaped Henry and ran into Cerberus' open arms. She could have been just simply looking for companionship and been nieve enough to believe that was to be expected of her in some way.

We don't know all the details of this dating thing she did.

Her username is LawBringer SR-2. It had to have been fairly recent.

[kaymarierose]

enayasoul wrote...
Awwwww!  Simply beautiful! You've made my day!   Love them all!  :happy:  It's true, they should have a boy first!

You've made my day saying I've made your day. *Insert Big Stupid Cheesy Grin Here* 

Thanks everyone for your kind comments. 

[krukow]

Here's my question. If her name is LawBringer SR-2, that would mean she registered after joining the Normandy right (because it's the Normandy SR-2). So does that mean she was doing this right before she got with Shepard, or did she know that's what the normandy was going to be called (since I imagine it took a while to build), or is SR-2 a normal designation in Cerberus.

I mean, it's not an issue for an unromanced Miri, but if you mirimance, the SR-2 makes the timing a bit weird...

[jtav]

I don't have a problem with Miranda wanting children. I may not want my Shepardx to have children, but that just means I didn't want a repeat of one size fits all epilogues (this was well before the endings were known). And I certainly wasn't reading ME3 into it because I hadn't seen the script. But I have seen reveals like this in fiction by authors similar in quality and tone to ME. The biggest red flag was juxtaposing cancelling a subscription to a science journal with activating one to a fashion magazine and buying a dating advice book. It's suggestive of what Miranda does and does not want.

[krukow]

jtav wrote...

I don't have a problem with Miranda wanting children. I may not want my Shepardx to have children, but that just means I didn't want a repeat of one size fits all epilogues (this was well before the endings were known). And I certainly wasn't reading ME3 into it because I hadn't seen the script. But I have seen reveals like this in fiction by authors similar in quality and tone to ME. The biggest red flag was juxtaposing cancelling a subscription to a science journal with activating one to a fashion magazine and buying a dating advice book. It's suggestive of what Miranda does and does not want.

Fair is fair, that's actually a good point.  I completely looked past that when it happened, but I can see it being a bad omen.

[Taboo]

flemm wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

They are representative of wanting to be normal. As it turns out it doesn't exist. It's all a lie perpetuated by society. At the end of the day she's human, just like the rest of us.

You're right, it doesn't exist. But what you're describing is really more sophisticated than what we are looking at here, for that reason.

No it really isn't. It's mind numbingly simple. They have entire films dedicated to these types of things.

Outsiders,prodigals,old men,young men, young women, old women.

It's all the same thing.

They have films about professional women looking for a way out and they were made by leftists. No conservatism to be found. Michalangelo Antonioni was famous for this. Look at Monica Vitti in Red Desert.

[LanceSolous13]

Fudge. You're right.

Still could have been out of companionship though? Sort of curious as to when this all happened as I can't see the period between becoming the XO of the Normandy and then being 'locked in' with Shepard being that great of a time jump. : /

I highly doubt it was to look for a Baby Daddy though. There are a lot better ways to go about that then a dating site.

[flemm]

krukow wrote...

Fair is fair, that's actually a good point.  I completely looked past that when it happened, but I can see it being a bad omen.

In essence, there is no reason why she shouldn't continue to be interested in both. Obviously, she should.

It is just a stereotype. Or it flirts dangerously with a stereotype that ME3 unfortunately tends to confirm (accidental or otherwise).

Taboo-XX wrote...

No it really isn't. It's mind numbingly simple. They have entire films dedicated to these types of things.

Outsiders,prodigals,old men,young men, young women, old women.

It's all the same thing.

They
have films about professional women looking for a way out and they were
made by leftists. No conservatism to be found. Michalangelo Antonioni
was famous for this. Look at Monica Vitti in Red Desert.

Without necessarily being able to comment on all the specific examples you are referring to, generally it is a perspective that understands that society tends to define our desires, and that those desires tend to actually be illusory in nature (because they are defined from without). This leads to a state of angst, detachment or discontent because those desires cannot really be fulfilled, given that they are inauthentic.

Or some variation of that.

It's in that sense that this perspective is more sophisticated: it understands that "normal" is an illusion.

The parts of this game we are talking about don't really understand that at all. On the contrary, these sections of the game are convinced it exists and is the ultimate good. That is not as sophisticated because, among other things, it is simply untrue.

Modifié par flemm, 16 août 2012 - 05:19 .

[Taboo]

krukow wrote...

Here's my question. If her name is LawBringer SR-2, that would mean she registered after joining the Normandy right (because it's the Normandy SR-2). So does that mean she was doing this right before she got with Shepard, or did she know that's what the normandy was going to be called (since I imagine it took a while to build), or is SR-2 a normal designation in Cerberus.

I mean, it's not an issue for an unromanced Miri, but if you mirimance, the SR-2 makes the timing a bit weird...

The SR2 was being made while Shepard was being rebuild. She had time.

She was running about in the comics. There was more than enough time to try and get pregnant then.

[wright1978]

krukow wrote...

Here's my question. If her name is LawBringer SR-2, that would mean she registered after joining the Normandy right (because it's the Normandy SR-2). So does that mean she was doing this right before she got with Shepard, or did she know that's what the normandy was going to be called (since I imagine it took a while to build), or is SR-2 a normal designation in Cerberus.

I mean, it's not an issue for an unromanced Miri, but if you mirimance, the SR-2 makes the timing a bit weird...

I'd say its between her ending things with Jacob and the events of ME2. She have known in advance of building of SR2 and no doubt it was always planned for her to be on it. The whole casual sex to get pregant thing is pretty ridicolous so i have to interpret as a means to identify potential donors.

Modifié par wright1978, 16 août 2012 - 05:15 .

[Stalker]

Taboo-XX wrote...

krukow wrote...

Here's my question. If her name is LawBringer SR-2, that would mean she registered after joining the Normandy right (because it's the Normandy SR-2). So does that mean she was doing this right before she got with Shepard, or did she know that's what the normandy was going to be called (since I imagine it took a while to build), or is SR-2 a normal designation in Cerberus.

I mean, it's not an issue for an unromanced Miri, but if you mirimance, the SR-2 makes the timing a bit weird...

The SR2 was being made while Shepard was being rebuild. She had time.

She was running about in the comics. There was more than enough time to try and get pregnant then.

That makes it even more ridiculous.
She was leading project Lazarus in the knowledge that the next step would be to take care of Shepard as the XO. Pregnancy plans exactly there?

[Skullheart]

btw, do we know who wrote her SB dossier?

Modifié par Skullheart, 16 août 2012 - 05:21 .

[Taboo]

Mr Massakka wrote...

That makes it even more ridiculous.
She was leading project Lazarus in the knowledge that the next step would be to take care of Shepard as the XO. Pregnancy plans exactly there?

It'd be a great way to get out of a Suicide Mission. Or to have a little human connection before you died.

Yes?

[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...

It'd be a great way to get out of a Suicide Mission. Or to have a little human connection before you died.

Well, she wasn't trying to get out of it

On the contrary she was focused on it. To accept the SB dossier you basically have to ignore the ME2 character as actually written to a large extent. Hence why it is problematic. Neither Walters nor Weekes wrote Miranda to be secretly wanting a baby throughout ME2. That is a retcon, whatever one's opinion of it. You may think it's a good retcon, but it is a retcon.

Modifié par flemm, 16 août 2012 - 05:24 .

[jtav]

Skullheart wrote...

btw, do we know who wrote her SB dossier?

I think it may have been Jay actually. He worked on LOTSB and I seem to remember the dossier being written by a Jay.

[wright1978]

Mr Massakka wrote...

That makes it even more ridiculous.
She was leading project Lazarus in the knowledge that the next step would be to take care of Shepard as the XO. Pregnancy plans exactly there?

Yep all in all i think the whole concept is rather idiotic. I guess someone was laying the groundwork for their desired tragic death arc.

[Stalker]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

That makes it even more ridiculous.
She was leading project Lazarus in the knowledge that the next step would be to take care of Shepard as the XO. Pregnancy plans exactly there?

It'd be a great way to get out of a Suicide Mission. Or to have a little human connection before you died.

Yes?

Not canon for me.
It doesn't fit her at all to get pregnant just for the sake of it, leave work right during her biggest project and attempt to live a happy life as a mother.
I'll just keep it at 'slowly becoming more human and looking for companionship without sexually transmittable disease'

Skullheart wrote...

btw, do we know who wrote her SB dossier?

If someone says 'Mac Walters' I really think about actively going against that guy.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 16 août 2012 - 05:32 .

[enayasoul]

krukow wrote...

Here's my question. If her name is LawBringer SR-2, that would mean she registered after joining the Normandy right (because it's the Normandy SR-2). So does that mean she was doing this right before she got with Shepard, or did she know that's what the normandy was going to be called (since I imagine it took a while to build), or is SR-2 a normal designation in Cerberus.

I mean, it's not an issue for an unromanced Miri, but if you mirimance, the SR-2 makes the timing a bit weird...

Didn't someone say it was just before the Lazarus project?  moderator or "someone in the know..."

From the sound of it... I'd like to think of it was a mission of sorts...

Miranda needed to find a human donor to rebuilt Shepard.  Would that be too outrageous to think she'd do that?  I mean, Shepard was nothing but meat and tubes.

She has to rebuilt him somehow... that guy just happened to be a match. 

I know, totally reaching...  maybe she had sex with the guy and was utter replused by it.  I always laugh whenever she talks about wanting to decontaminate herself while visiting Omega because it always makes me think of that chat from the Shadow Broker.

[krukow]

flemm wrote...

On the contrary she was focused on it. To accept the SB dossier you basically have to ignore the ME2 character as actually written to a large extent. Hence why it is problematic. Neither Walters nor Weekes wrote Miranda to be secretly wanting a baby throughout ME2. That is a retcon, whatever one's opinion of it. You may think it's a good retcon, but it is a retcon.

It's only a problem because of the name "SR-2".  If she had done it a few years before, when suicide missions weren't in the plans, then it's okay.  And obviously she can't do it after the suicide mission.  Unless she's a closet Jacob 

edit: well, my Miri can, because I romance Ash.  Who never cancels her subscription to Modern Soldier

Modifié par krukow, 16 août 2012 - 05:28 .

[Skullheart]

jtav wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

btw, do we know who wrote her SB dossier?

I think it may have been Jay actually. He worked on LOTSB and I seem to remember the dossier being written by a Jay.

Maybe it was another Jay.I mean, how can he ignore something the was written by himself?

Unless he has been sabotaging the character.

[Taboo]

flemm wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It'd be a great way to get out of a Suicide Mission. Or to have a little human connection before you died.

Well, she wasn't trying to get out of it

On the contrary she was focused on it. To accept the SB dossier you basically have to ignore the ME2 character as actually written to a large extent. Hence why it is problematic.

You have no way of knowing that. That's why it's problematic.

She's more than concerned that they won't be coming back. She states this twice in ME2, pre LotSB. I see no reason to believe she wouldn't have second thoughts about it. Furthermore she isn't always focused. You need to help her with her  sister before she commits fully.

That being said it's entirely likely that she had second thoughts.

What haven't you done with your life being the main concern here. Why not at least attempt a connection before you die?

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...
Why not at least attempt a connection before you die?

To help Orianna, or romance Shepard? Sure. Have a baby when you are getting ready to go through the Omega 4 relay? I'm sorry, but that is just nonsense.

Miranda helps Orianna because it makes sense to do that. She helps Jacob because it makes sense to do that. Same with romancing Shepard.

All these things are in ME2. The child is not because it would make no sense and that is why neither Weekes nor Walters included it.

Modifié par flemm, 16 août 2012 - 05:32 .