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[LanceSolous13]

I find it funny that most of us have completely dropped the "Find Miranda" story implication. lol

[RamilVenoard]

See what I would have done is thus:

The galaxy is, of course, one of many, and we already know that a powerful enough Mass Relay could jump starships into darkspace, and perhaps, even into galaxies.  The Reapers, themselves, are an evolutionary force. The point being, perhaps an inter-galactic council of advanced species created the Reapers to act as an evolutionary pressure, since, intelligent life stops evolving once technology is advanced enough.

THUS, any galaxy that has advanced and evolved enough by the time the Reapers arrive, can destroy the Reapers, and any galaxy capable of destroying reapers, is ready technologically, to join the intergalactic community.

This makes the Crucible to be a power source that activates the Citadel's Mass Relay functions, opening the jump point into the intergalactic center. And the most exciting part, the Catalyst is Shepard. Not technologically, or physcially, or anything like that, but the Catalyst instead in the sense that HE was the only one capable of bringing an entire galaxy together to destroy the Reapers, indicating that the Milky Way species advanced together to become a powerful-enough, and advanced enough force to join this intergalactic community.

The choice then stands thus: Accept this, and man the Normandy into a brave new world and the game ends with the relay jump of the Normandy straight into the camera OR... reject this, control the Reapers, and turn that army against the might of the somewhat manipulative and meddlesome galactic council.

Anyhow, let me know what you think. Sry for text wall.

Modifié par RamilVenoard, 21 août 2012 - 05:44 .

[Taboo]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I find it funny that most of us have completely dropped the "Find Miranda" story implication. lol

Well if your Shepard made it out he did find Miranda or she found him. Bioware has given you that ability.

It isn't so much about finding her now as it is about getting more of her in the game.

#MoreMiranda

Yes?

[LanceSolous13]

Shepard slowly walked up behind Miranda and slid his arms around his bride to be. She didn't flinch and her breath didn't stop for a second when their skin met; a first for the relationship. She was completely relaxed with Shepard.

A smile crept onto her face knowing she had the family she'd wanted for the last thirty seven years. Shepard and Oriana were also she needed by her side as Pheonix rose from the ashes of Cerberus. Miranda was completely happy with her life for once.

She moved her arms to Shepard's face and pulled him. Shepard allowed her to control him for the few short moments before their lips met.

[Taboo]

Signed,Sealed,Delivered, I'm Yours just came on the radio when I looked at your post Lance. I laughed. I'm not sure why.

Also, you're awful for moving at this pace. You said you were working on Thane material. Obviously I was wrong.

I have literally come up with...the colors of several rooms and what they consist of.

I still owe you that crayon drawing though. The next time I drink to much I'll make you the best drawing ever.

[RamilVenoard]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I find it funny that most of us have completely dropped the "Find Miranda" story implication. lol

Well if your Shepard made it out he did find Miranda or she found him. Bioware has given you that ability.

It isn't so much about finding her now as it is about getting more of her in the game.

#MoreMiranda

Yes?

Yeah, but I find this to be a total cop-out on BioWare's part. I know a
lot of people headcanon and can deal with the endiing(s) that way, but
I can't. Mass Effect 3 isn't imagination. I wanted to see it happen.
I want to see Shepard and Miranda find each other, not stare off
into space and image it happening. WITH MY MIND. Man, I've gotten so
angsty on BioWare's "speculation/just imagine it happening" mentality.
It just bothers me to no end.

Also, I'd get behind a #MoreMiranda image if someone would be so kind to make it. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

Haven't you event seen the Mona Lisa? 'common dude, eveyone knows it looks like this:

Modifié par RamilVenoard, 21 août 2012 - 05:59 .

[LanceSolous13]

I've been working on my Thane stuff and Actually wrote up a chapter that sets the scene which I need to post, but I'm trying to work out my layout for my ME3 canon which I can then add as a prologue so people aren't totally confused.

Also, I'm holding out on writing more about Thane till I finish the Mass Effect Novels and I can portray Kai Leng properly.

Also, I need to go back and change things so they take place on Earth instead of the Citadel (My endings take place there; No Catalyst and Crucibl).

So, for the moment, I'm at a stand still sadly. Also, Schools starting soon so I'll have EVEN MOAR holding me back. Yay.


Is my writing really that moving/tear jerking?

[Taboo]

Well it's more common than you think. A producer told me that this is what they wanted. On Twitter.

That way, even against all odds, Ieldra's Shepard can...something...something come back and do things in Synthesis.

Yes I know how it sounds but they've given everyone this chance with these endings.

Or so they tell me.

[krukow]

I agree with that to a point, but stuff that is explicitly shown in game shouldn't be head canoned away. If you're going to do that, just rename the characters and make it your own story.

Just my opinion.

[Taboo]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

So, for the moment, I'm at a stand still sadly. Also, Schools starting soon so I'll have EVEN MOAR holding me back. Yay.


Is my writing really that moving/tear jerking?

It makes me feel things (wat). That's a good thing. If your material is stirring emotions you've done your job.

When I read things like that I picture them in my head. Your text turns into images in my head.

I have to develop my own canon with pictures this way as my writing is terrible. But that's just how I think.

[LanceSolous13]

I'm sorry, but Mass Effect 3 is just too much of a jumbled mess to work with. The Catalyst, the misshandeling of Cerberus, the sidlining of my Shepard's best friends; No. I'm sorry, but I'll use ME3 as an OUT LINE of my version of ME3; what ME3 should have been.

For starters, Shepard was actually put on trial and those six months we sacraficed most of a species for was not wasted.

[LanceSolous13]

That was a reply to Krukow. The quote button doesn't work on my cell. Sorry.

[Taboo]

A lot of it is terrible but it's what you have. You must take charge and reclaim your canon. It sucks ass but that's the way it is.

And. And you avoid Mac Walters this way.

Some people are just used to this kind of thing or they don't mind doing it. I'm used to it. I see this stuff in films all the time. Michael Haneke is notorious for this kind of filmmaking and I love his work, unpleasant as it may be.

Your Miranda is not my Miranda and your Shepard is not my Shepard.

That's the only real advantage here, if you consider it. You can DO anything you want.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 21 août 2012 - 06:21 .

[LanceSolous13]

I hate doing it but its fun at the same time.

[Ieldra]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
The game has a lot of great scenes like that though. Which makes the sterility of the endings all the more awful.

It's hard to believe that the same people responsible for Mordin's scene were also responsible for this horse **** fire analogy that the Catalyst presents.

But Miranda's death is avoidable and for that I'm grateful.

I agree, but the guy who wrote that story arc (and Rannoch) was apprently shut out of the ending so Mr. Speculation and Mr. Speculation, Jr. could finish the story off the way they saw fit, by themselves...

...or so the rumor goes, and I tend to believe it. Don't want to take this thread in that direction; I'll save that for the spoiler forum, but what could have been with Patrick Weekes as the lead. That guy knows how to finish off a story arc, obviously, and he knows what the fans want and like. I hope Weekes gets the chance to lead write for a project some day.

I think it went like this:
(1) Fans want different things, and the writers wanted to keep things rather open in order to keep everyone's headcanon intact.
(2) The writers who made the ending appear to have no sense of scale. Thus, the fragmenting of the universe did exactly what they wanted to avoid by keeping the ending open - destroy everyone's imagined future.

Also, Weekes is  a good character writer, but we have no idea what kind of high-level concept he would've come up with. In any case, for me it's the execution of the original ending that was lacking, not the concept or the ideas that went into it. I like those. I think we would've had the best possible result if Weekes and Dombrow had been added to the "ending team".

With the EC, the endings aren't sterile for me, and I would have actively disliked a reunion scene instead of a slide that implied a possible reunion because it would have added weight to the ending I like least (Refuse doesn't count) and would probably have been incredibly cheesy. As I said, fans want different things, and most of those who have little to complain about any more after the EC don't stay here to complain, so we have a very skewed picture now.

As for Miranda's long death scene, it may have emotional impact but I hate it because what it implies about her as a character apart from the romance angle. I've only watched it on YT and will probably never see it in my game.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 août 2012 - 06:43 .

[RamilVenoard]

I'm strongly with Ieldra on several points.

Firstly, a reunion scene would have been different for all people playing the game. For me, Shep knew he was going to die from the moment he found out about the Reapers, so the reunion ins't even really on my slate.

Secondly, if you can overlook the space magicyness of Synthesis, it managed to encompass the majority of my hopes for the future of the game's universe, after the EC. Before that I picked control.

And as for Miranda's death scene, my Shep is very much a tragic hero, condemned to suffer so that the galaxy can be saved, almost like fate for him. It tends to be that everything he touches just falls apart, and it makes sense to me that his love interest, the one time he let his guard down and tried to be normal, would die.  Thus he completes his mission with nothing left to live for, ergo he his perfectly happy to die for something greater than himself.

BUT that means Miranda died by break-up, which is just downright pathetic writing, since Miranda's previously established character is nothing at all like that.

Modifié par RamilVenoard, 21 août 2012 - 06:48 .

[LanceSolous13]

I disagree. Everyone has a different vision for how things like a Reunion could go, but does it is not impossible to please the great majority of players. Obviously, don't do stuff like have Shepard hug Liara unless she was romanced. If I took Garrus and Kaidan on every mission and talked to them every chance I had, Obviously they could be included in my reunion.

Its impossible to please everyone, but it is easy to please a great majority.

[Dr. Doctor]

RamilVenoard wrote...

And as for Miranda's death scene, my Shep is very much a tragic hero, condemned to suffer so that the galaxy can be saved, almost like fate for him. It tends to be that everything he touches just falls apart, and it makes sense to me that his love interest, the one time he let his guard down and tried to be normal, would die.  Thus he completes his mission with nothing left to live for, ergo he his perfectly happy to die for something greater than himself.

BUT that means Miranda died by break-up, which is just downright pathetic writing, since Miranda's previously established character is nothing at all like that.

What irks me is that Ash's storyline is pretty much a cut and paste of Miranda's (Just replace Sanctuary with the Citadel Coup and Oriana with Sarah). I like both characters but everything that made them unique got stripped out in ME3.