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[Ieldra]

ViSeirA wrote...
What do you guys think Miranda's breaking point in ME3 is got to be like? (The writers' did confirm recently that at some points in the game if you make certain choices some of your squadmates will disagree with you and it might end in a mortal conflict)

I mostly imagine it as a choice happening middle game, you have a fleet with you and you must choose between saving a large human colony world with millions of humans from a reaper attack or save an alien homeworld like Thessia or Sur'Kesh with billions of aliens, I'd think Miranda would opt out for saving the human colony unless that explicitly puts the war effort with the reapers at a major disadvantage, my main Shepards is a pro-human renegon who would save the human colony in a heartbeat but some of my other Shepards might disagree, do you think such situation would instigate a conflict between Shepard and Miranda?

An alien homeworld.....hmm...I think that's too unbalanced to make Miranda take the human side. Especially since the strategic advantage of a functional homeworld cannot be discounted. If it was "go to Earth late (sacrificing a billion humans) in order to save Sur'kesh", that would be a different matter. 

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I'm for every race. If Miri is just pro-human, and if there is a conflict like that, wouldn't this be railroading?

[Ieldra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Mortal conflict, that does not sound good.

If this does happen, there better be some time of Paragon, or Renegade option that will resolve this.
I don't understand why BioWare would make a certain time that results in possibly losing your LI.

This is drama. Drama is part of storytelling. There can be no meaningful story if the best ending is already assured at the start. Making you choose between two things very important to you, that's the kind of decision you're likely to face in a war like this.

It's not as if Bioware would force an unhappy ending with Miranda on you. But you might need to sacrifice other important things to get it. Another squadmate, a million lives, valuable resources, whatever.

[Sebby]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...
+1 as well, I think Miranda's character development is gonna make or break ME3 for me, I'd hate it if they turned Miranda's 'core' character around to favor all the paragons out there.

I think we can be tentatively optimistic here. There isn't any better candidate for a romance for the more Renegade-ish Shepards. Tali is Paragon, Ashley's a straight-and-by-the-book soldier, Jack's romance doesn't work if you use the Renegade options. Only Liara could work somewhat after her change in ME2. Miranda's romance also has the only viable Renegade path.

Renegade Shepard is really lacking in romances that suit his/her personality. The one squadmate who would best suit femshep(Zaeed) isn't available.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ieldra2 wrote...

This is drama. Drama is part of storytelling. There can be no meaningful story if the best ending is already assured at the start. Making you choose between two things very important to you, that's the kind of decision you're likely to face in a war like this.

It's not as if Bioware would force an unhappy ending with Miranda on you. But you might need to sacrifice other important things to get it. Another squadmate, a million lives, valuable resources, whatever.

But, If Miri is just pro-human, then that would mean BW is forcing you to take a course of action.

She's not zenophobic. 

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 31 juillet 2011 - 06:39 .

[ViSeiRa]

Ieldra2 wrote...

An alien homeworld.....hmm...I think that's too unbalanced to make Miranda take the human side. Especially since the strategic advantage of a functional homeworld cannot be discounted. If it was "go to Earth late (sacrificing a billion humans) in order to save Sur'kesh", that would be a different matter. 

You mean something akin to the "Do we save the council in ME1?", I think that'd work as well, for me I almost always chose the paragon "Concentrate on Sovereign" in my playthroughs, it was not some kind of xenophobia on my part but we can't throw away ships at the geth and neglect the threat that annihilated the entirety of the Turian fleet guarding the citadel.

In ME3 that could translate perfectly to what you said earlier.

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

What do you guys think Miranda's breaking point in ME3 is got to be like? (The writers' did confirm recently that at some points in the game if you make certain choices some of your squadmates will disagree with you and it might end in a mortal conflict)

I mostly imagine it as a choice happening middle game, you have a fleet with you and you must choose between saving a large human colony world with millions of humans from a reaper attack or save an alien homeworld like Thessia or Sur'Kesh with billions of aliens, I'd think Miranda would opt out for saving the human colony unless that explicitly puts the war effort with the reapers at a major disadvantage, my main Shepards is a pro-human renegon who would save the human colony in a heartbeat but some of my other Shepards might disagree, do you think such situation would instigate a conflict between Shepard and Miranda?

Mortal conflict, that does not sound good.


If this does happen, there better be some time of Paragon, or Renegade option that will resolve this.

I don't understand why BioWare would make a certain time that results in possibly losing your LI.

That'd effectively negate the fact that it's called a breaking point, also IF they ever provide a solution out of it and they shouldn't, it should be only available to pure paragons (people who have many points in the paragon meter), because the Renegade option should be for us to actually save the human colony.

BTW did I ever mention how much I hate ME's morality system? ugh.

Modifié par ViSeirA, 31 juillet 2011 - 06:45 .

[jtav]

Again, though, that's what drama is. You can't always have your cake and eat it too. Find another LI or adapt your ethics.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

jtav wrote...
 Find another LI

No way!

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

ViSeirA wrote...


That'd effectively negate the fact that it's called a breaking point.

But, it wouldn't be fair to put such a conflict in it. Especially if your Relationship with my LI ends up on thin ice!
Stuck between two decisions. It's overwhelming. 

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 31 juillet 2011 - 06:45 .

[jtav]

Why is it not fair?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I don't want the Relationship with Miri to be on thin ice. I was told of a reward, not an overwhelming decision!


And why would Miri be mad of a certain choice? Surely she would've agreed with you on whatever decision you make. 

She would know that all lives are at stake.

This better be speculation. 

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 31 juillet 2011 - 06:51 .

[ViSeiRa]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

But, it wouldn't be fair to put such a conflict in it. Especially if your Relationship with my LI ends up on thin ice!
Stuck between two decisions. It's overwhelming. 

Life isn't fair, do I quit my job and move to another city with my girlfriend because I love her that much? do I tell her that I have a life, friends and a job here and can't sacrifice that much for her, it's all about choices and if they want to provide actual choices in ME instead of just the illusion of it then such situations should exist in-game (on a moderately larger scale than my simple example here of course). 

[MisterJB]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
And why would Miri be mad of a certain choice? Surely she would've agreed with you on whatever decision you make. 

Oh boy... you can't be serious.

Modifié par MisterJB, 31 juillet 2011 - 07:22 .

[LuxDragon]

Bleh, this topic bores me. We all look at Miranda a different way. Honestly, I don't think your opinion of her is any better than mine.

Modifié par LuxDragon, 31 juillet 2011 - 06:55 .

[ViSeiRa]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I don't want the Relationship with Miri to be on thin ice. I was told of a reward, not an overwhelming decision!


And why would Miri be mad of a certain choice? Surely she would've agreed with you on whatever decision you make. 

She would know that all lives are at stake.

This better be speculation. 

So you'd see Miranda reduced to a mere follower?

And this is actually speculation but only to an extent, as I said before it's confirmed such situation will exist in-game, how close it is to what we're imagining here is anyone guess.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

ViSeirA wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I don't want the Relationship with Miri to be on thin ice. I was told of a reward, not an overwhelming decision!


And why would Miri be mad of a certain choice? Surely she would've agreed with you on whatever decision you make. 

She would know that all lives are at stake.

This better be speculation. 

So you'd see Miranda reduced to a mere follower?
.

I don't want her to be a mere follower. I don't to lose her.

[jtav]

That's exactly what you're suggesting though, by wanting her to agree with everything you do.

[ViSeiRa]

LuxDragon wrote...

Bleh, this topic bores me. We all look at Miranda a different way. Honestly, I don't think your opinion of her is any better than mine.

*Snip*

Well, opinions can't be measured and any fictional character will always be perceived differently by any number of people, Miranda is not an exception here, that's why they're called opinions and not hard facts.

Love that pic BTW.

Modifié par ViSeirA, 31 juillet 2011 - 07:04 .

[DCWalkman]

LuxDragon wrote...

Bleh, this topic bores me. We all look at Miranda a different way. Honestly, I don't think your opinion of her is any better than mine.

Thanks for my new background!!!

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

jtav wrote...

That's exactly what you're suggesting though, by wanting her to agree with everything you do.

I do not want to end up losing Miri for good becuase of a decision.

If I just choose to save the humans? Many deaths of different races will be on my conscience.

But at the same time, I don't want to lose Miri.

[wright1978]

I do like the sound of Shep's decisions having an impact on teammates. So i'd be all for Miri storming off if she feels his decisions are completely contrary to what she feels is important. Don't want paragon/renegade get out clauses for everything. The galaxy is at stake and Shep can't please everyone all of the time.

[jtav]

Again though, Miranda is pro-human, even if she's no longer Cerberus. She ought to have issues with the sacrifice of large numbers of humans, all other things being equal.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I'm going to ask a dev....

[LuxDragon]

I'm not entirely sure she's that hardcore pro-human.

Remember, she has an asari contact that she trusts with Oriana's life. And I'm pretty sure she's careful with who she trusts with that responsibility.

I think the only reason she's pro-human is because she was supposed to be the perfect human. Being pro-human helps further enhance that because if she's not perfect, then what is she?

I do like that fact she can change, but not because of Shepard. Besides, isn't the opposite true? We change our Shepard's for her too.

[MisterJB]

While you're at it, ask them about how Shepard defeats the Reapers, will you?