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[CrutchCricket]

lillitheris wrote...
I would accept that interpretation, certainly. I still think it’s possible that this occurs during shore leave, but the SR2 model name was known far earlier than Shepard’s awakening, and there’s no reason Miranda might not have been to Omega or Illium on business during that period, for example.

Well I believe that for any intepretation to stand, it must do so regardless of how the game is played. And the game can be played without any shore leave whatsoever for any particular character (much the same as it could be played with them on the bench the whole time).
Thus the idea that the hookups happened before ME2 seems to be the most acceptable (and I use that word to account for opinions here as well).

[jtav]

Mr Massakka wrote...

I see... more and more people start recognizing the writers' intentions.

From the beginning she was supposed to take the role of the family woman who can't have a family and therefore hides behind her work. Like it or not.

I don't think it was "from the beginning" as much as it was "when Weekes stopped writing her."

[MisterJB]

lillitheris wrote...
@MisterJB: It’s not a ‘fertility test’ (necessarily) if the implication is ‘test specifically intended to determine fertility without any external motivations’. Those findings could come from any checkup, or they could be follow-ups to the discovery of the neoplasm.

I am not aware of the frequency routine checkups can notice anomalies such as a neoplasm.
The fact she specifically chose a Pre-Natal clinic makes me think Miranda realized something was amiss with her reproductive system.

Modifié par MisterJB, 21 août 2012 - 05:59 .

[CrutchCricket]

Mr Massakka wrote...

I see... more and more people start recognizing the writers' intentions.

From the beginning she was supposed to take the role of the family woman who can't have a family and therefore hides behind her work. Like it or not.

I do not recognize this as writer intent. I do recognize it as one of many interpretations however.

[Taboo]

lillitheris wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

From you, everytime you start these things. Every time. You had the same issue with the discussion about Love Scenes a while back. Concepts, aesthetics, frames, interpretations.

You have spent the last few pages talking about other things.

You’re having some imaginary discussion about “Concepts, aesthetics, frames, interpretations.”  I can’t help you with that.

Crutch Crickets explanation is far better than anything I've come up with.

You’re a funny guy.

As I said. Time frame. That's what I care about.

Concept -> What's going on here? What time frame are we dealing with Is it casual or for other reasons?

Aesthetics -> Are there unpleasent aesthetics (conservative or otherwise) contained within that may cause issues with interpretation?

Interpretation -> The consensus reached by the individual. The general consensus is that we have no idea what the **** is going on here.

Each interpretation will be unique. Each frame of mind is different. You can come to similar conclusions, but they will never be the same.

[Caihn]

kaymarierose wrote...

About that...

 

Yes, no?

I like it.



Concerning the Lotsb dossier, people can interpret it the way they want.
I think Bioware wanted to provoke a reaction from the players (in a good way or in a bad way) about Miranda, and they succeeded.
Personally it doesn't change my opinion about the character. The dossier adds some interesting things and I always like to know more about Miranda.

Modifié par Yannkee, 21 août 2012 - 06:01 .

[lillitheris]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Well I believe that for any intepretation to stand, it must do so regardless of how the game is played. And the game can be played without any shore leave whatsoever for any particular character (much the same as it could be played with them on the bench the whole time).

That’s true, but only if you assume that nothing happens that is not shown. Heck, the Cerberus Terms of Employment might stipulate N hours of shore leave for every M hours on ship!

My headcanon does involve occasional downtime for refueling, research, mission briefings and whatnot, but it’s certainly the simpler explanation that the time frame extends further back.

(There’s also the simple explanation that the writers didn’t really worry about that part overly much.)

[Taboo]

lillitheris wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Well I believe that for any intepretation to stand, it must do so regardless of how the game is played. And the game can be played without any shore leave whatsoever for any particular character (much the same as it could be played with them on the bench the whole time).

That’s true, but only if you assume that nothing happens that is not shown. Heck, the Cerberus Terms of Employment might stipulate N hours of shore leave for every M hours on ship!

My headcanon does involve occasional downtime for refueling, research, mission briefings and whatnot, but it’s certainly the simpler explanation that the time frame extends further back.

(There’s also the simple explanation that the writers didn’t really worry about that part overly much.)

And we have the smoking gun.



I was not debating your head canon. I was debating the material as presented.

[lillitheris]

…Nevermind…

Modifié par lillitheris, 21 août 2012 - 06:13 .

[CrutchCricket]

lillitheris wrote...
That’s true, but only if you assume that nothing happens that is not shown. Heck, the Cerberus Terms of Employment might stipulate N hours of shore leave for every M hours on ship!

My headcanon does involve occasional downtime for refueling, research, mission briefings and whatnot, but it’s certainly the simpler explanation that the time frame extends further back.

(There’s also the simple explanation that the writers didn’t really worry about that part overly much.)

Who said Shepard signed said Terms of Employment?

If you go into headcanon land that's perfectly fine, but that's a complete plunge. Headcanon interpretations are headcanon.


In any case I think we've all agreed as much as we're going to agree on this, no?

[Ieldra]

Mr Massakka wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
Miranda hooked up on a dating site pre ME2. Being the detail obsessed control freak* she is, she demanded medical checks for STDs and the like (settling for nothing but the best) and finally got an acceptable match. Some time later she gets a pregnancy scare and again being detail obsessed... you get the picture, gets herself checked out (peeing on a stick ain't good enough). And that's when good old pre-green Doc Banner tells her she can't have kids at all. Bam!

supported

The same.

[Taboo]

lillitheris wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I was not debating your head canon. I was debating the material as presented.

You should actually try doing that at some point.  You know, actually arguing what it is that you are arguing? Nothing in your posts is about that until the last few. Do you want me to copypaste a few?

I know that I'm guilty of doing it. I see no reason to lie about it.

You did not mention anything abut interpretations until recently, which is why I debated you.

All the interpretations are valid. I'd have thought you'd have learned that I believed that by now.

[krukow]

CrutchCricket wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
That’s true, but only if you assume that nothing happens that is not shown. Heck, the Cerberus Terms of Employment might stipulate N hours of shore leave for every M hours on ship!

My headcanon does involve occasional downtime for refueling, research, mission briefings and whatnot, but it’s certainly the simpler explanation that the time frame extends further back.

(There’s also the simple explanation that the writers didn’t really worry about that part overly much.)

Who said Shepard signed said Terms of Employment?

If you go into headcanon land that's perfectly fine, but that's a complete plunge. Headcanon interpretations are headcanon.


In any case I think we've all agreed as much as we're going to agree on this, no?

Terrorist Organizations have "terms of employment"?

Ummmm, okay!

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

I see... more and more people start recognizing the writers' intentions.

From the beginning she was supposed to take the role of the family woman who can't have a family and therefore hides behind her work. Like it or not.

I do not recognize this as writer intent. I do recognize it as one of many interpretations however.

I recognize it may have been one writer's intention - the one who wrote the dossier. Not the one's who wrote Miranda for most of ME2.

[lillitheris]

Shepard wouldn’t have to sign, but he’d be bound for the crew!

But, yes, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to say that this occurred before the awakening.

[lillitheris]

krukow wrote...

Terrorist Organizations have "terms of employment"?

Sure, at least if they’re Nice Cerberus.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Yannkee wrote...

kaymarierose wrote...

About that...

 

Yes, no?

I like it.



Concerning the Lotsb dossier, people can interpret it the way they want.
I think Bioware wanted to provoke a reaction from the players (in a good way or in a bad way) about Miranda, and they succeeded.
Personally it doesn't change my opinion about the character. The dossier adds some interesting things and I always like to know more about Miranda.

It's sad that some players left her becuase of her Dossier. I bet some of them even broke up with her in either ME2, or ME3 because of it.

[Taboo]

lillitheris wrote...

Shepard wouldn’t have to sign, but he’d be bound for the crew!

But, yes, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to say that this occurred before the awakening.

I wish you'd have said this two hours ago.

Jesus Christ.

[CrutchCricket]

lillitheris wrote...
Shepard wouldn’t have to sign, but he’d be bound for the crew!

Given you can play as being against Cerberus the whole game and a giant douche if you go all Renegade, I don't think Shepard has to give a damn about time off. And because there's no game where a mutiny occurs, we can safely say the crew just takes it.

[lillitheris]

Taboo-XX wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Shepard wouldn’t have to sign, but he’d be bound for the crew!

But, yes, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to say that this occurred before the awakening.

I wish you'd have said this two hours ago.

I wish you’d actually asked rather than go into weird places about dating

[hot_heart]

I'm pretty sure lilli agreed with that interpretation at an earlier point.

Anyway, in terms of the dossier, I don't think it was her looking to get pregnant. Since the only real indicator may have been the medical screening stuff, I actually think the way the dialogue presents it, she is most certainly looking out for contagious diseases rather than hereditary ones.

[krukow]

lillitheris wrote...

krukow wrote...

Terrorist Organizations have "terms of employment"?

Sure, at least if they’re Nice Cerberus.

Is this the nice cerberus that murdered an alliance admiral or the nice cerberus that experimented with Dragon's Teeth?

And I've seen their retirement plan, courtesy of Miranda (poor traitorus Wilson).

[MisterJB]

krukow wrote...
Terrorist Organizations have "terms of employment"?

Ummmm, okay!

According to Overlord, they have some sort of "confidentiality agreement" tough I doubt they are sued if they violate it. Executed is more likely.

[lillitheris]

CrutchCricket wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
Shepard wouldn’t have to sign, but he’d be bound for the crew!

Given you can play as being against Cerberus the whole game and a giant douche if you go all Renegade, I don't think Shepard has to give a damn about time off. And because there's no game where a mutiny occurs, we can safely say the crew just takes it.

Story discussion forum:  “Poll: Would Renegade Shepard Care About Labor Laws?”

[hot_heart]

krukow wrote...
Is this the nice cerberus that murdered an alliance admiral or the nice cerberus that experimented with Dragon's Teeth?

And I've seen their retirement plan, courtesy of Miranda (poor traitorus Wilson).

Those were...interns.

And Wilson violated the terms of his contract!