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[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I recognize it may have been one writer's intention - the one who wrote the dossier. Not the one's who wrote Miranda for most of ME2.

Maybe.

Or maybe it was just meant to elicit a reaction (probably emotional) from the player, like Yannkee said earlier. We'll never know. And I don't particularly care at that.

[MisterJB]

krukow wrote...
the nice cerberus that experimented with Dragon's Teeth?

There's nothing that suggests Cerberus turned humans into husks before ME3 and there is nothing wrong with capturing Husks for experiments.

[Taboo]

lillitheris wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Shepard wouldn’t have to sign, but he’d be bound for the crew!

But, yes, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to say that this occurred before the awakening.

I wish you'd have said this two hours ago.

I wish you’d actually asked rather than go into weird places about dating

We don't see the world the same way. I'll never look at dating the same way you do in these circumstances.

I don't care what your interpretation is. I care when it appears that you think it's the only logical conclusion.

What you were posting didn't make sense to me, your head canon is what tripped me up.

"My interpretation" would be a good thing to use in our posts now. An edict to prevent **** like this from happening again.

For all of us.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 21 août 2012 - 06:24 .

[Stalker]

Ieldra2 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

I see... more and more people start recognizing the writers' intentions.

From the beginning she was supposed to take the role of the family woman who can't have a family and therefore hides behind her work. Like it or not.

I do not recognize this as writer intent. I do recognize it as one of many interpretations however.

I recognize it may have been one writer's intention - the one who wrote the dossier. Not the one's who wrote Miranda for most of ME2.

I am also certain about that. 

The different writer(s) wanted to start in a new direction with Miranda and already showed hints of that in the dossier. When writing the dossier, they probalby already had her "tragic death" in mind.
That explains why every single e-mail just comes out of nowhere after playing ME2 with tons of serious information while other dossiers are just jokes.
Reading the dossiers is just as weird as seeing Miranda in ME3: From the ruthless agent she suddenly turns into someone completely different, regardless if you ever tried to change her (romance).

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Miri being Infertile adds more "Emotion" to the Romance.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...

krukow wrote...
the nice cerberus that experimented with Dragon's Teeth?

There's nothing that suggests Cerberus turned humans into husks before ME3 and there is nothing wrong with capturing Husks for experiments.

Actually, replaying Mass Effect just the past couple of days, there are a number of sidequests associated with Cerberus that feature husks. They also feature Creepers and Rachni so that may have been just an oversight. But I found it strange given there is no mention in subsequent games of Cerberus dealing with creepers or rachni.

[flemm]

Mr Massakka wrote...
I am also certain about that. 

The different writer(s) wanted to start in a new direction with Miranda and already showed hints of that in the dossier. When writing the dossier, they probalby already had her "tragic death" in mind.

Yes, that was the main point of it. Which is why I don't care that much about it.

I'm just glad she survived it, and I would like to see Miranda's original writers in charge of the character again.

Modifié par flemm, 21 août 2012 - 06:30 .

[krukow]

CrutchCricket wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

krukow wrote...
the nice cerberus that experimented with Dragon's Teeth?

There's nothing that suggests Cerberus turned humans into husks before ME3 and there is nothing wrong with capturing Husks for experiments.

Actually, replaying Mass Effect just the past couple of days, there are a number of sidequests associated with Cerberus that feature husks. They also feature Creepers and Rachni so that may have been just an oversight. But I found it strange given there is no mention in subsequent games of Cerberus dealing with creepers or rachni.

Not true!  You can call miranda on it, and she says that the creepers were already dead, and they backed off the rachni stuff when they found out about the queen.  Basically they were trying to create non-sentient shock troops for situations like Eden Prime.  She actually makes a semi-compelling case.  Then you remember she personally murdered an alliance admiral in cold blood!  THE BLOOD IS STILL ON HER HANDS!!

[Taboo]

flemm wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...
I am also certain about that. 

The different writer(s) wanted to start in a new direction with Miranda and already showed hints of that in the dossier. When writing the dossier, they probalby already had her "tragic death" in mind.

Yes, that was the main point of it. Which is why I don't care that much about it.

And yet she can live.

Which makes the dossier even more ridiculous.

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Actually, replaying Mass Effect just the past couple of days, there are a number of sidequests associated with Cerberus that feature husks. They also feature Creepers and Rachni so that may have been just an oversight. But I found it strange given there is no mention in subsequent games of Cerberus dealing with creepers or rachni.

Shepard mentions creepers and rachni to Miranda in ME2 to which her respose is that creepers are mindless which justifies experimenting on them and that they ceased the studies on rachni once they understood they were intelligent.

"Colony of the Dead" and Kahoku both feature Cerberus and Husks. However, there is no conclusive evidence the organization turned any human into one prior to ME3. Miranda claims the Husks of ME1 were already dead when Cerberus experimented on them.

[MisterJB]

krukow wrote...
Then you remember she personally murdered an alliance admiral in cold blood!  THE BLOOD IS STILL ON HER HANDS!!

First, there is no reason to believe she personally murdered Kahoku.
Second, Kahoku learned too much. Killing him was needed if Cerberus was to be protected and thus, humanity.
Third, I realize your were using hyperbole but I still felt the need to respond.

[hot_heart]

Hmm, I really don't take the dossier to mean anything about the direction of the character.

The iPartner stuff is casual sex. The infertility thing is an attempt to create empathy for a character many dislike.

Most of the others seem pretty simple too. Except maybe Thane's...which was actually no hint at his direction, and pretty much discarded in some regards.

[dtrain24]

CrutchCricket wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

krukow wrote...
the nice cerberus that experimented with Dragon's Teeth?

There's nothing that suggests Cerberus turned humans into husks before ME3 and there is nothing wrong with capturing Husks for experiments.

Actually, replaying Mass Effect just the past couple of days, there are a number of sidequests associated with Cerberus that feature husks. They also feature Creepers and Rachni so that may have been just an oversight. But I found it strange given there is no mention in subsequent games of Cerberus dealing with creepers or rachni.

There's always that conversation with Miranda on the Normandy to consider.

[CrutchCricket]

I didn't know Miranda mentions them. It's possible I may not have completed Hades Dogs in previous playthroughs. Though I still wonder how Cerberus acquired creepers and rachni. Is there mention of them being on Feros or Noveria?

As for the husks, I'm pretty sure there were dragon's teeth around as well. Unless you're suggesting the geth just left those there without further action, someone needed to actually impale people on them.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 21 août 2012 - 06:36 .

[lillitheris]

Taboo-XX wrote...

We don't see the world the same way. I'll never look at dating the same way you do in these circumstances.

There you are wrong :happy:

[MisterJB]

People care about Kahoku?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^ I hardly new him. All I know is that he was just a Character in "ME1." A forgettable Character.

[Taboo]

hot_heart wrote...

Hmm, I really don't take the dossier to mean anything about the direction of the character.

The iPartner stuff is casual sex. The infertility thing is an attempt to create empathy for a character many dislike.

Most of the others seem pretty simple too. Except maybe Thane's...which was actually no hint at his direction, and pretty much discarded in some regards.

A lot of people made flip flops. Including Legion.

The time frame is so muddled though...

I'll use Crutch Cricket's explanation as it's far better than anything else I've seen.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...

People care about Kahoku?

Pretty sure he just existed to get killed by "that dastardly Cerberus".

Mind you, they are pretty dastardly. But there's no real difference between Kahoku and any other Cerberus victims, other than Kahoku getting a name and a face. Which may make a difference to some.

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
As for the husks, I'm pretty sure there were dragon's teeth around as well. Unless you're suggesting the geth just left those there without further action, someone needed to actually impale people on them.

The logs claimed the colonists unearthed the Dragon's Teeth which is very plausible since it is Reaper technology and they are known to leave traps as seen in "Evolution" and that the colony provided Cerberus with samples of something, presumably the Dragon's Teeth. Obviously, the colonists were alive when Cerberus left.
It could be that the Teeth simply Indocrinated the colonists and they placed themselves on them. The same thing happened to the scientists working on the Derelict Reaper.

[Taboo]

lillitheris wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

We don't see the world the same way. I'll never look at dating the same way you do in these circumstances.

There you are wrong :happy:

Dating was the wrong word to use and I apologize.

Casual sex is what I should have said. We don't agree on the methods on obtaining it.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 21 août 2012 - 06:41 .

[krukow]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

^ I hardly new him. All I know is that he was just a Character in "ME1." A forgettable Character.

Just because your waifu murdered him doesn't make him forgettable!

[MisterJB]

Makes me wish there had been some familiar faces on Sanctuary. Say, Ken and Gabby?

[hot_heart]

Taboo-XX wrote...
I'll use Crutch Cricket's explanation as it's far better than anything else I've seen.

I'm not sure what his was.

As far as I'm concerned, the iPartner stuff is casual sex during downtime on Lazarus or during the travels in ME2. Nothing to do with pregnancy.

The infertility discovery was driven by curiosity and/or other possible circumstances (as cited by lilli).

Modifié par hot_heart, 21 août 2012 - 06:43 .

[dtrain24]

krukow wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

^ I hardly new him. All I know is that he was just a Character in "ME1." A forgettable Character.

Just because your waifu murdered him doesn't make him forgettable!

Just like your waifu almost murdered Shepard?

... (Well it is true)