krukow wrote...
MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
^ I hardly new him. All I know is that he was just a Character in "ME1." A forgettable Character.
Just because your waifu murdered him doesn't make him forgettable!
The dragon teeth just whispered to people to impale themselves on them? That's really thin. I accept indoctrination but that just seems silly. Why attack Eden Prime with Sovereign and a legion of geth if all you have to do is drop these shiny metal poles in their midst and just wait for people to impale themselves?MisterJB wrote...
The logs claimed the colonists unearthed the Dragon's Teeth which is very plausible since it is Reaper technology and they are known to leave traps as seen in "Evolution" and that the colony provided Cerberus with samples of something, presumably the Dragon's Teeth. Obviously, the colonists were alive when Cerberus left.
It could be that the Teeth simply Indocrinated the colonists and they placed themselves on them. The same thing happened to the scientists working on the Derelict Reaper.
After the workaholic she was in ME2, didn't it surprise you that she is suddenly all about family in ME3? It was a subplot during ME2, a little bit of her past. In ME3 it's her main plot.hot_heart wrote...
Hmm, I really don't take the dossier to mean anything about the direction of the character.
dtrain24 wrote...
krukow wrote...
MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
^ I hardly new him. All I know is that he was just a Character in "ME1." A forgettable Character.
Just because your waifu murdered him doesn't make him forgettable!
Just like your waifu almost murdered Shepard?
...(Well it is true)
Ken and Gabby are on the ship. What are you talking about?MisterJB wrote...
Makes me wish there had been some familiar faces on Sanctuary. Say, Ken and Gabby?
You needed saving from your waifu (who by the way will spend the better part of the rest of the series calling you a traitor)? What kind of Shepard are you?krukow wrote...
My waifu SAVED Shepard from Wrex. And she never almost murdered Shepard, she almost shot him because she was protecting the council from cerberus, and he's their most famous (ex)operative. And apparently a jerk if she almost shot him...
hot_heart wrote...
I'm not sure what his was.Taboo-XX wrote...
I'll use Crutch Cricket's explanation as it's far better than anything else I've seen.
As far as I'm concerned, the iPartner stuff is casual sex during downtime on Lazarus or during the travels in ME2. Nothing to do with pregnancy.
The infertility discovery was driven by curiosity and/or other possible circumstances (as cited by lilli).
Because Indocrination takes time and they didn't want anyone else cracking the Beacon, because people would notice if the geth tried to drop something close to the colony, because the population of Eden Prime was higher and thus the chances of Indocrinating everyone were smaller.CrutchCricket wrote...
The dragon teeth just whispered to people to impale themselves on them? That's really thin. I accept indoctrination but that just seems silly. Why attack Eden Prime with Sovereign and a legion of geth if all you have to do is drop these shiny metal poles in their midst and just wait for people to impale themselves?
No, no, someone has to actually throw your ass on those poles. And the derelict Reaper itself was sending the indoctrination signal.
CrutchCricket wrote...
Ken and Gabby are on the ship. What are you talking about?MisterJB wrote...
Makes me wish there had been some familiar faces on Sanctuary. Say, Ken and Gabby?
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In what, the three or four we see with her in ME3 she talks about family, compared to 95% of the game in ME2? Yes, surely a world shattering paradigm shift (God I hate those words).<_<Mr Massakka wrote...
After the workaholic she was in ME2, didn't it surprise you that she is suddenly all about family in ME3? It was a subplot during ME2, a little bit of her past. In ME3 it's her main plot.
The dossier is literally representing the transition from ME2 to ME3 Miranda: It's all about personal manners and family-issues.
I can't imagine how confused people were in ME3, who really just knew her as the work-focussed professional from Cerberus...
MisterJB wrote...
Because Indocrination takes time and they didn't want anyone else cracking the Beacon, because people would notice if the geth tried to drop something close to the colony, because the population of Eden Prime was higher and thus the chances of Indocrinating everyone were smaller.CrutchCricket wrote...
The dragon teeth just whispered to people to impale themselves on them? That's really thin. I accept indoctrination but that just seems silly. Why attack Eden Prime with Sovereign and a legion of geth if all you have to do is drop these shiny metal poles in their midst and just wait for people to impale themselves?
No, no, someone has to actually throw your ass on those poles. And the derelict Reaper itself was sending the indoctrination signal.CrutchCricket wrote...
Ken and Gabby are on the ship. What are you talking about?MisterJB wrote...
Makes me wish there had been some familiar faces on Sanctuary. Say, Ken and Gabby?
It is my usual complaint that Sanctuary was not as horrifying as it should have been. Having two familiar and beloved characters such as Ken and Gabby suffering experiments there would have helped.
The Oriana stuff was the most convenient way to sideline her in ME3. She's still the workaholic, who 'can't give herself a break'. And she does fight her way through Sanctuary and try to get the message out.Mr Massakka wrote...
After the workaholic she was in ME2, didn't it surprise you that she is suddenly all about family in ME3? It was a subplot during ME2, a little bit of her past. In ME3 it's her main plot.hot_heart wrote...
Hmm, I really don't take the dossier to mean anything about the direction of the character.
The dossier is literally representing the transition from ME2 to ME3 Miranda: It's all about personal manners and family-issues.
Depends on the mind. For some its weeks, for others it's days, maybe even hours. How easy would it have been to drop a few teeth, get a few husks, create a panic and in the chaos, slip to the beacon and access it? Once he had the vision, have Sovereign and the geth bomb from orbit. No beacon, no witnesses, no trail. And Saren didn't have just geth under his command. Benezia and her followers could've delivered the teeth.MisterJB wrote...
Because Indocrination takes time and they didn't want anyone else cracking the Beacon, because people would notice if the geth tried to drop something close to the colony, because the population of Eden Prime was higher and thus the chances of Indocrinating everyone were smaller.
I agree it would have been horrifying. But I wouldn't want to sacrifice them for the horror factor. Showing experiments in progress would've been enough, even if they were nameless NPCs.It is my usual complaint that Sanctuary was not as horrifying as it should have been. Having two familiar and beloved characters such as Ken and Gabby suffering experiments there would have helped.
If Benezia had delivered the Teeth, the Alliance officers would have to contact Arcturus Station to inform them a major political figure had just visited the colony which would imply her on its destruction.CrutchCricket wrote...
Depends on the mind. For some its weeks, for others it's days, maybe even hours. How easy would it have been to drop a few teeth, get a few husks, create a panic and in the chaos, slip to the beacon and access it? Once he had the vision, have Sovereign and the geth bomb from orbit. No beacon, no witnesses, no trail. And Saren didn't have just geth under his command. Benezia and her followers could've delivered the teeth.
OK, not Benezia herself, random Asari Commando #56 then.MisterJB wrote...
If Benezia had delivered the Teeth, the Alliance officers would have to contact Arcturus Station to inform them a major political figure had just visited the colony which would imply her on its destruction.
A few Husks would probrably not be enough to create the chaos needed to acess a Beacon that would be heavily guarded and the time it would take for it to actually Indocrinate someone could be enough for the Alliance or Citadel ships to arrive and remove the Beacon.
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Ieldra2 wrote...
Would you really have liked a "conquer the galaxy" or "Reaperduction" scenario better? It would have been boring, simplistic, a plot we've seen a million times before, and it would have told us nothing new about the ME universe. I've always suspected there was more to it than that, with the Reapers' claim to "ascension", Harbinger's "We are Harbinger" and the plausible speculation we've had since ME2 that they're avatars of civilizations of past cycles. To see those suspicions come to nothing would have been an epic disappointment.
Even the Catalyst was mostly invalidated by its presentation and narrative inconsistencies. As a concept it made perfect sense. What power could shape the will of something like the Reapers but an "AI god"? What other explanation for the unified purpose of the Reapers - who were made from diverse species but mysteriously follow the same directive - could there be? Granted, even disregarding the presentation and narrative inconsistencies, it takes a great deal of emotional detachment to come to terms with it, but in cases like this, where human standards clearly don't apply, that should be obvious to anyone. IMO the greatest mistake people make is treating the Catalyst as your run-of-the-mill antagonist blown up to a galactic scale. It isn't that. It is not human, and approaching it with the mindset you bring to standard video game villains is inappropriate.
When I said I like the concepts that went into the ending, I mostly meant the final choice. But as you see, that also applies to the other elements. As I see it, the flaws lie only in the execution - from Shepard's space-magicky sacrifice in Synthesis and the presentation of the Catalyst as some sort of pseudo-divinity to the narrative inconsistency with the Rannoch plot if you made peace.
It could. Still it would have given you a personal stake in one of the ending scenarios, which would've been absent in the others. The writers clearly wanted to minimize the personal stake in favor of the big picture, and I'm totally fine with that.
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Taboo-XX wrote...
I fully support making the game less awful than it already is.
No more senseless manipulation of the audience. The game already depresses people as it is.
BringBackNihlus wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
Would you really have liked a "conquer the galaxy" or "Reaperduction" scenario better? It would have been boring, simplistic, a plot we've seen a million times before, and it would have told us nothing new about the ME universe. I've always suspected there was more to it than that, with the Reapers' claim to "ascension", Harbinger's "We are Harbinger" and the plausible speculation we've had since ME2 that they're avatars of civilizations of past cycles. To see those suspicions come to nothing would have been an epic disappointment.
Even the Catalyst was mostly invalidated by its presentation and narrative inconsistencies. As a concept it made perfect sense. What power could shape the will of something like the Reapers but an "AI god"? What other explanation for the unified purpose of the Reapers - who were made from diverse species but mysteriously follow the same directive - could there be? Granted, even disregarding the presentation and narrative inconsistencies, it takes a great deal of emotional detachment to come to terms with it, but in cases like this, where human standards clearly don't apply, that should be obvious to anyone. IMO the greatest mistake people make is treating the Catalyst as your run-of-the-mill antagonist blown up to a galactic scale. It isn't that. It is not human, and approaching it with the mindset you bring to standard video game villains is inappropriate.
When I said I like the concepts that went into the ending, I mostly meant the final choice. But as you see, that also applies to the other elements. As I see it, the flaws lie only in the execution - from Shepard's space-magicky sacrifice in Synthesis and the presentation of the Catalyst as some sort of pseudo-divinity to the narrative inconsistency with the Rannoch plot if you made peace.
It could. Still it would have given you a personal stake in one of the ending scenarios, which would've been absent in the others. The writers clearly wanted to minimize the personal stake in favor of the big picture, and I'm totally fine with that.
I'm sorry for dragging this back up in the thread after it had been solidly buried, but I wanted to reply.
Yes, I actually would have liked it to have been that simplistic. The reason it's been used millions of times? It has worked millions of times. I'll give two prime examples of this. I know it's completely different universe and medium, but bear with me on this. There's a reason I don't think villians need some big, elaborate reasoining for what they do just to be big and eloborate.
Hannibal Lecter. I think he's the greatest antagonist in the history of cinema, and my opinion is backed up by the American Film Insitute ranking him the greatest movie villian of all-time. Did he have a big, elaborate reasoning for what he did? No, he didn't. The only motivation Hannibal Lecter had is that he was a sick bastard that enjoyed manipulating people, toying with their minds and eating their liver with chianti and fava beans, and that character was incredible. I'll use another from a similar universe - the Xenomorphs. They had NO motivation other than wiping out perceived threats and the propagation of their species, which is exactly what I argue the Reapers should have been.
Again, sorry for dragging this up, but I don't see why every antagonist needs to have some grand scheme to justify their existence.
Asari are a lot less conspicuous than geth. And dragon teeth appear to be pretty compact. Hell they could've hocked them off as art pieces. People are gullible enough as it is, even without indoctrination or space babes glancing suggestively at you. Hardly something to ring the Alliance alarm bell with.MisterJB wrote...
Asari visiting a remote human colony where the discovery of the century has been made and carrying a big package? The Alliance would still be informed.
Guards are people too. If your buddy's getting torn up by zombies, are you really going to stand there and guard a glorified nightlight? No, you're gonna rescue the innocent civilians. They might not have left it completely unattended but security would still have dropped considerably.A few Husks are not going to be enough to force Alliance soldiers to leave the Beacon unguarded.
Fairly new does not mean yesterday. Everyone knows what Spectres mean. If Saren shows up and glares at them, they'd know enough to get out of the way, resentment or not. Because they also know that if they don't he's just going to shoot them and not lose so much as a wink of sleep. How many soldiers are going to risk a political incident and their life, to "protect" something they don't even understand?Saren might have been able to convince them he was the one sent to pick up the Beacon but I doubt it. Humans were fairly new to the galactic community and not only do they not hold the same respect for Spectres as the other races, there was a great animosity against turians.
Without Saren being accompanied by Alliance officers, I doubt they'd have delivered the Beacon.
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BringBackNihlus wrote...
Time for gratuitous Miranda picture?
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