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[lillitheris]

Babi_Siha wrote...

It seems she's more interested in the guys' medical records than to what they look like or their personality.

She knows what they look like. 360° view etc.

They could be completely unrelated events, but when I put those factors together it was hard to come up with another explanation.

It’s not hard, at all—in fact, it’s a much simpler explanation. But if you’re happy with your version, by all means hold onto it.

[Taboo]

lillitheris wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Some of us are basing interpretations based off of things that are there.

The inconsistent consistency tells you quite a bit.

The IC in our case told me all I needed to know. And it isn't what you think it is.

What’s this about ponies?

No it's something far more basic. No need for headcanon OR ponies.

[Babi_Siha]

lillitheris wrote...

It’s not hard, at all—in fact, it’s a much simpler explanation. But if you’re happy with your version, by all means hold onto it.

Wow, thank you for allowing me to have my own interpretation of facts, how nice and unlike of you. Seriously, not everyone has to agree with you and I certainly won't change my mind just because you think differently than me.

[hot_heart]

Babi_Siha wrote...
She's clearly not interested in romance or companionship, she disconnects when someone acts like that. If she only wanted sex she could go to a bar, there are sober guys in a bar. When she found a guy who seemed clean, she arranged a meeting but as soon as he tried to make conversation she disconnected. It seems she's more interested in the guys' medical records than to what they look like or their personality.

And while it's true that there are a number of reasons why she could found out about her tumor without wanting to conceive, it could be a simple check-up really, she's very protective of Ori, that could be proof of her maternal instincts and there are the dating logs, which she only cares about the partner's health as I stated before. They could be completely unrelated events, but when I put those factors together it was hard to come up with another explanation.

Well, conversely, a dating site can also be for busy professionals. And she doesn't seem to like public environments such as bars anyway.

She is simply looking for casual sex, no strings attached. The medical stuff is looking out for her own health (the Shintonial Abraxas stuff is phrased like it's an STD) and just her general 'settling only for the best'.

And she doesn't only care about the other person's medical history. The welcome email she gets from joining iPartner includes the following:

We have reviewed your application to join the iPartner group and are happy to accept you into the exclusive Diamond Circle, where the best meet the best! iPartner is proud to present you with our exclusive Diamond Circle benefits:
- Access your account as often as you wish
- Unrestricted membership search across 23 systems
- Review potential iPartners in full 360 vision*
- Guaranteed first choice placement of your personal dossie

Combine that angle with the fact that her wanting a pregnancy doesn't really fit in with the characterisation as shown anywhere else, and I don't see how it could be interpreted that way.

Like I said, though, not trying to dissuade you but offering the alternative outlook.

Modifié par hot_heart, 22 août 2012 - 03:39 .

[Taboo]

It can be interpreted either way.

All we know is there was one, one, sexual encounter and the email following afterwords was from the clinic.

And yes, you can look this up.

And maybe, just maybe, you'll find the IC.

[Babi_Siha]

hot_heart wrote...

Combine that angle with the fact that her wanting a pregnancy doesn't really fit in with the characterisation as shown anywhere else, and I don't see how it could be interpreted that way.

Like I said, though, not trying to dissuade you but offering the alternative outlook.

So the way she cares about Ori isn't proof enough that she could be maternal?

[hot_heart]

Babi_Siha wrote...
So the way she cares about Ori isn't proof enough that she could be maternal?

I'm not arguing with that, but if you consider that Miranda isn't looking after Oriana herself, it makes me think Miranda is denying herself such things. Instead, Oriana is getting a 'normal' life without having to worry about all the Cerberus stuff and the complications that Miranda brings.

Obviously, I'm not denying Miranda's attitude could change over time, just that if those emails are placed during Lazarus (if the 'SR2' thing is being acknowledged) then I don't think she was in that mindset.

[lillitheris]

Babi_Siha wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

It’s not hard, at all—in fact, it’s a much simpler explanation. But if you’re happy with your version, by all means hold onto it.

Wow, thank you for allowing me to have my own interpretation of facts, how nice and unlike of you. Seriously, not everyone has to agree with you and I certainly won't change my mind just because you think differently than me.

Isn’t that what I just said? I have made a habit of actually spelling it out since it seems to be necessary, recently.

I’ve explained to you why I think another interpretation is equally—and in my mind, more—likely. You can consider the points made and then possibly readjust with the new information. Or not. That part’s up to you.

I’ve gone through the same with the ‘conception’ theory. Points were made in favor of it yesterday; upon reviewing, I maintained that my alternative was a simpler explanation to each point.

Why you get all pissy about it is beyond me. If you’re secure in your own interpretation, awesome. If you don’t want to entertain the possibility that you might need to readjust, then don’t debate, just hold onto yours…

…

Caring about Oriana being maternal? I guess. How about just sisterly? Being that’s what they are? And that’s what sisters do?

Modifié par lillitheris, 22 août 2012 - 03:50 .

[Taboo]

Everyone gets pissy at this topic. Everyone. Don't shift blame lilitheris.

All it's told me is that we all have some base issues at the root of conceptual ideas.

And that goes for both sides of this argument.

[lillitheris]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Everyone gets pissy at this topic. Everyone. Don't shift blame lilitheris.

All it's told me is that we all have some base issues at the root of conceptual ideas.

Seriously, I don’t know what the hell you are talking about.

Try actually writing this stuff for once.

[hot_heart]

Taboo-XX wrote...
All we know is there was one, one, sexual encounter and the email following afterwords was from the clinic.

What's to say the email was chronologically afterwards?

Funnily enough, I think a little bit of the Kuleshov Effect plays into the interpretations here. Imagine what would happen if the order of the information were reversed. Might affect the tone quite a bit.

Plus, if you look at the other dossiers, some of the stuff is quite separate in tone and intention.

[Babi_Siha]

lillitheris wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

It’s not hard, at all—in fact, it’s a much simpler explanation. But if you’re happy with your version, by all means hold onto it.

Wow, thank you for allowing me to have my own interpretation of facts, how nice and unlike of you. Seriously, not everyone has to agree with you and I certainly won't change my mind just because you think differently than me.

Isn’t that what I just said? I have made a habit of actually spelling it out since it seems to be necessary, recently.

I know that's what you said, I thanked you even, but on the previous page, you made sure to let me know sperm donor would be a more plausible way if she wanted to get pregnant. So yeah, you said I could hold on to my version... right after you acted as your usual condescending self.

I’ve explained to you why I think another interpretation is equally—and in my mind, more—likely. You can consider the points made and then possibly readjust with the new information. Or not. That part’s up to you.

Can anyone ever change your mind? No. I read other arguments, including the sperm donor argument before, didn't agree then, still don't agree now. And as usual, you think your opinion is the right one.

Why you get all pissy about it is beyond me.

You get pissy everytime someone writes something you don't agree/like. Why you get all pissy all the time is also beyond me. And I wasn't pissy, I just don't like how you think your opinion is the absolute and everyone else is wrong.

Caring about Oriana being maternal? I guess. How about just sisterly? Being that’s what they are? And that’s what sisters do?

I have two sisters and I don't make them the center of my universe, as most people with simbling. Sisterly could be an explanation, but they never lived together to create such bond.

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 22 août 2012 - 04:04 .

[Taboo]

lillitheris wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Everyone gets pissy at this topic. Everyone. Don't shift blame lilitheris.

All it's told me is that we all have some base issues at the root of conceptual ideas.

Seriously, I don’t know what the hell you are talking about.

Try actually writing this stuff for once.

Others do. They've told me as much.

I refuse to humor you in this manner as all you're looking for is a fight.

This is not a debate, it is a pissing contest.

[lillitheris]

Babi_Siha wrote...

I know that's what you said, I thanked you even, but on the previous page, you made sure to let me know sperm donor would be a more plausible way if she wanted to get pregnant. So yeah, you said that right after you acted as your usual condescending self.

Correct. If she wanted to get pregnant without involvement of the father, I think a sperm donor would be by far the easier option.

Can anyone ever change your mind?

Well…you haven’t. Other than that, it happens fairly often.

Caring about Oriana being maternal? I guess. How about just sisterly? Being that’s what they are? And that’s what sisters do?

I have two sisters and I don't make them the center of my universe, as most people with simbling. Sisterly could be an explanation, but they never lived together to create such bond.

Maybe that is the reason? They never lived together, so she might have blown it out of proportion. Besides, this argument applies just as well to maternal instincts…

Miranda, of course, doesn’t have two sisters. Or parents.

[Taboo]

hot_heart wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
All we know is there was one, one, sexual encounter and the email following afterwords was from the clinic.

What's to say the email was chronologically afterwards?

Funnily enough, I think a little bit of the Kuleshov Effect plays into the interpretations here. Imagine what would happen if the order of the information were reversed. Might affect the tone quite a bit.

Plus, if you look at the other dossiers, some of the stuff is quite separate in tone and intention.

They are listed as one through four. They are listed as being ordered. First Transmission. Second Transmission. Third Transmission. Forth Transmission.

Uno. Dos. Tres. Quatro.

Eins. Zwei. Drei. Alle.

And, somewhere in those messages, is the IC. And it takes a massive **** all over lilitheris.

[Skullheart]

Asakawa wrote...

excellent!!!

can I use it? =D
pretty please with sugar on top?

Why not?

[lillitheris]

Taboo-XX wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Everyone gets pissy at this topic. Everyone. Don't shift blame lilitheris.

All it's told me is that we all have some base issues at the root of conceptual ideas.

Seriously, I don’t know what the hell you are talking about.

Try actually writing this stuff for once.

Others do. They've told me as much.

I refuse to humor you in this manner as all you're looking for is a fight.

Look, I’m not ‘others’. I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. To me it looks like you’re having some kind of an imaginary conversation with a voice in your head, and occasionally mistake me for it.

If you want to make an argument, make the f—ng argument. In writing. Then I can address it.

[Babi_Siha]

lillitheris wrote...

Correct. If she wanted to get pregnant without involvement of the
father, I think a sperm donor would be by far the easier option.

Just like if sex was all she wanted there are easiest ways than joining a stupid dating site.

Well…you haven’t. Other than that, it happens fairly often.

I never tried, nor do I care about changing your mind. I said my opinion and you're the one that tried to change it by using your same old sperm donor argument.

Maybe that is the reason? They never lived together, so she might have blown it out of proportion.
Besides, this argument applies just as well to maternal instincts…

Not living together isn't a good argument as to why she would blow out of proportion, if there was no bond between them, then Miranda shouldn't have cared so much. She was trying to protect her sister from everything and that seems more like some repressed maternal instincts than sisterly instinct.

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 22 août 2012 - 04:20 .

[Taboo]

lillitheris wrote...

Look, I’m not ‘others’. I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. To me it looks like you’re having some kind of an imaginary conversation with a voice in your head, and occasionally mistake me for it.

If you want to make an argument, make the f—ng argument. In writing. Then I can address it.

They refuse to address you in person because they don't like you. They are participants in this thread. Some of them you know. I refuse to name them as it would inappropriate.

I don't like telling you that as I know the reverse is the same for me. But it is what it is.

These arguments are nothing more than a disagrement of a base concept.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 22 août 2012 - 04:15 .

[lillitheris]

Babi_Siha wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Well…you haven’t. Other than that, it happens fairly often.

I never tried, nor do I care about changing your mind. I said my opinion and you're the one that tried to change it by using your same old sperm donor argument.

*sigh*

It’s this thing called a “discussion” board. You post something, I reply to it. It’s up to you what you do with that.

[lillitheris]

Taboo-XX wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

If you want to make an argument, make the f—ng argument. In writing. Then I can address it.

These arguments are nothig more than a disagrement of a base concept.

What base concept?

[hot_heart]

Taboo-XX wrote...
They are listed as one through four. They are listed as being ordered. First Transmission. Second Transmission. Third Transmission. Forth Transmission.

Uno. Dos. Tres. Quatro.

Eins. Zwei. Drei. Alle.

And, somewhere in those messages, is the IC. And it takes a massive **** all over lilitheris.

The iPartner messages, sure (and they're all of the same tone and intent). The medical correspondence is separate from that, it doesn't even follow on directly from the dating site stuff, provided you encouraged her to speak to Oriana.

And I'm not sure what you're talking about, especially when you've made it personal with lillitheris.

Modifié par hot_heart, 22 août 2012 - 04:17 .

[Taboo]

lillitheris wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

If you want to make an argument, make the f—ng argument. In writing. Then I can address it.

These arguments are nothig more than a disagrement of a base concept.

What base concept?

The most important one of all.

Who am I?

[Babi_Siha]

lillitheris wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Well…you haven’t. Other than that, it happens fairly often.

I never tried, nor do I care about changing your mind. I said my opinion and you're the one that tried to change it by using your same old sperm donor argument.

*sigh*

It’s this thing called a “discussion” board. You post something, I reply to it. It’s up to you what you do with that.

And it would be okay if I hadn't read that argument of yours before. If it didn't work before you shoulnd't assume it would work now.

[lillitheris]

Taboo-XX wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

If you want to make an argument, make the f—ng argument. In writing. Then I can address it.

These arguments are nothig more than a disagrement of a base concept.

What base concept?

The most important one of all.

Who am I?

See? This just looks like nonsense because most of the debate is happening inside your head. Or because you’re trying to appear mysteriously wise (you’re failing at that, by the way).

Your “base concept” that is the root of the disagreement is “who am I?”, do I understand this correctly?

Explain why.