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[Ieldra]

Babi_Siha wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Krukow is religious, Babi.

You might not want to start anything.

Although I do agree on the religious connotation for Ashley. She forces you to judge her for her religion, thus she judges you in the process. My Shepard, like me, is an ardent apatheist (or apathetic atheist).

Didn't mean to offend krukow, but I don't come from a religious family and a lot of religious people I met tried to force their religion on me and judged me because I wasn't a God's person and I just hate that. But to Ash's defense, her religion isn't the annoying part about her, those would be her xenophobic attitudes and her always reciting poems.

I don't see it as "Ashley forcing you to judge her for her religion". I just had that conversation, and Shepard can treat it as a non-issue by saying "People can believe what they want. It says so in the Alliance charter, just in fancier words". While it isn't a non-issue for Cyrus Shepard personally, it is a non-issue in that context. Ashley's a soldier and part of the Normandy. Her faith is unimportant unless it influences the mission. Since I've changed my personal canon and decided not to romance Ashley with Cyrus because of a retroactive character change, it stays a non-issue. 

[Ieldra]

gilberto3001 wrote...
Just like to mention to @Babi re: Thane thread being depressing - not sure how all of you would be if Miri had been killed off in the first 1/3rd of ME3 regardless if she was your LI or not??

We would be pissed of course. The difference is, for Thane you could see it coming from a long way back. No matter the little details that Thanemancers interpreted to point at a possible survival. From a storytelling viewpoint I never had any doubt he'd die in the end.

Not saying that Miri got anywhere enough time in ME3 (and I haven't even a Shepard that has romanced her, yet - he's some way through ME1 currently on hold) as she above all ME2 characters grew on me the most with her character development, even with FemShep. But yeah, you guys should be (and by the sounds of it you are) thankfull for the time she did get in ME3 compared to other (new in) ME2 characters.

It's not the amount of content we dislike so much. Well ok, we do dislike that as well, but if you only count the amount of content, Miranda was treated better than most other ME2 team members. What we really don't like is the mutilation of her character, with several important aspects completely ignored in favor of a LM 2.0 story arc.

[flemm]

fiendishchicken wrote...

I feel like a dick for saying this:

It's ORIANA

not ORIANNA.

The extra "N" is for: "Not this again."

Sometimes I spell it ORIANNNA, so I can have an additional one for "Not happy about this sh*t."

Modifié par flemm, 23 août 2012 - 09:05 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I went to bed at 11 pm. I don't think I slept at all. And in a half an hour, I have to get up to get ready for classes, so I'll just drop this off:

[lillitheris]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Krukow is religious, Babi.

You might not want to start anything.

Although I do agree on the religious connotation for Ashley. She forces you to judge her for her religion, thus she judges you in the process. My Shepard, like me, is an ardent apatheist (or apathetic atheist).

Didn't mean to offend krukow, but I don't come from a religious family and a lot of religious people I met tried to force their religion on me and judged me because I wasn't a God's person and I just hate that. But to Ash's defense, her religion isn't the annoying part about her, those would be her xenophobic attitudes and her always reciting poems.

I don't see it as "Ashley forcing you to judge her for her religion". I just had that conversation, and Shepard can treat it as a non-issue by saying "People can believe what they want. It says so in the Alliance charter, just in fancier words".

That’s a judgment. A kind one, but still. When the issue is brought up, it can’t be simply ignored.

[Ieldra]

In that case, I don't know why people have a problem with it. Haven't we all complained that Miranda's genetic engineering isn't brought up again, and that we didn't have an opporunity to "judge" that issue? As long as there are enough options that everyone finds one IC for their Shepard - and I think Ashley's scene had that - I see such scenes as great opportunities to roleplay. ME3 is lacking in roleplaying opportunities anywway.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 août 2012 - 09:50 .

[lillitheris]

Sure, it’s fine. I’m not sure if complainers are doing so (sort of) from an IC perspective. OOC there’s no point, it is what it is.

[Shahravaz_]

[Dragon_Claw]

Miranda: Nobody, and I mean nobody ever tells me that I´m just... AVERAGE!!!

[hot_heart]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
But back on topic...hot_heart wrote a nice piece of fan fiction some pages back. That might interest some of you.

About hot_heart, I started reading his fic a while ago, really enjoyed what I read, he's a talented writer. Now I have to finish reading his new chapters.

Thanks. You're both too kind!

Also, that's a really cool screenshot, Luis. Never seen one with that angle before.

Modifié par hot_heart, 23 août 2012 - 12:18 .

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

gilberto3001 wrote...
Just like to mention to @Babi re: Thane thread being depressing - not sure how all of you would be if Miri had been killed off in the first 1/3rd of ME3 regardless if she was your LI or not??

We would be pissed of course. The difference is, for Thane you could see it coming from a long way back. No matter the little details that Thanemancers interpreted to point at a possible survival. From a storytelling viewpoint I never had any doubt he'd die in the end.

Not saying that Miri got anywhere enough time in ME3 (and I haven't even a Shepard that has romanced her, yet - he's some way through ME1 currently on hold) as she above all ME2 characters grew on me the most with her character development, even with FemShep. But yeah, you guys should be (and by the sounds of it you are) thankfull for the time she did get in ME3 compared to other (new in) ME2 characters.

It's not the amount of content we dislike so much. Well ok, we do dislike that as well, but if you only count the amount of content, Miranda was treated better than most other ME2 team members. What we really don't like is the mutilation of her character, with several important aspects completely ignored in favor of a LM 2.0 story arc.

Yep exactly it's the character butchery, loyalty mission rehash, ignoring any professional Cerberus focus and filler content that irks us.

[Taboo]

^ That's a simple way to finish a story though, even at the cost of the character or it's fans.

Need closure for Thane? Kill him off.

Need closure for Miranda? Pick a simple aspect of the character and use it to string the plot along.

It's a simple way of putting the character in the story and then finishing it without much effort.

Still boggles my mind though, the iPhone messages. Why there Bioware? Why there?

[jtav]

Because they were written later. I think they thought ME3 Miranda would go over well, bar complaining about non-squad status. Instead the fanbase rioted and even non-fans were displeased. Hence damage control.

[Taboo]

All I heard was that the Apartment scene changed.

I haven't read the script. Ieldra and flemm told me it was far less satisfying there.

Still, it COULD be worse.

[jtav]

The apartment scene had the "I'm all out of moves" exchange added post leak. But what I mean is they added the emails, texts, and such afterward, and those seemed to be a response to the anger.

[Taboo]

So Shepard WASN'T getting emails on the Normandy? I don't see why that would be the case. You're referring to the fighter squadron I'm sure.

As for the the texts, they're almost entirely innocuous to the plot.

"Thanks for coming by skipper." really, REALLY impacted my playthrough.

Getting a "Good luck" from Miranda is nice and all, as is the "Dirty Harry-esque" one.

But it's such an asspull.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 23 août 2012 - 03:10 .

[Caihn]

gilberto3001 wrote...
Not saying that Miri got anywhere enough time in ME3 (and I haven't even a Shepard that has romanced her, yet - he's some way through ME1 currently on hold) as she above all ME2 characters grew on me the most with her character development, even with FemShep. But yeah, you guys should be (and by the sounds of it you are) thankfull for the time she did get in ME3 compared to other (new in) ME2 characters.

Miranda doesn't have enough content in ME3.
I know characters got a worst treatment but I won't stop complaining. That's why I support DLC for all the characters who have been sidelined, of course Miranda is my priority because it's my favorite, but it doesn't mean I think the other ME2 characters don't derserve more.

I like Miranda's content in ME3, but there are too many things missing to be satisfied.

Miranda was treated as a small secondary character, while she deserved to be a prominent one.

(also, some people here are satisfied with the amount of content, but it's their opinion, not the opinion of the entire fanbase)

Modifié par Yannkee, 23 août 2012 - 03:28 .

[Immortal Strife]

Dammit everyone has my avatar in this thread. Miranda was my favorite LI, its to bad my Femshep can't court her too. I personally feel all the non squad cast should port over to MP-just make it so only one player can select each character per match, that way there is not four Mirandas on one team. ;0p

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 23 août 2012 - 03:30 .

[flemm]

Yannkee wrote...
(also, some people here are satisfied with the amount of content, but it's their opinion, not the opinion of the entire fanbase)

Well, I think everybody would like more. I certainly would. Hell, I'd have preferred that Miranda be the star of the game again.

Having said that, there is enough content that we really should have been able to see a more balanced portrayal than we did. As it stands, I hope that additional content will provide that.

[krukow]

flemm wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
(also, some people here are satisfied with the amount of content, but it's their opinion, not the opinion of the entire fanbase)

Well, I think everybody would like more. I certainly would. Hell, I'd have preferred that Miranda be the star of the game again.

Having said that, there is enough content that we really should have been able to see a more balanced portrayal than we did. As it stands, I hope that additional content will provide that.

Sorry, the smurfypus* was back.  Which is sad, because Ash and Miri as the main two females would have made for a way better dynamic (alliance/cerberus, soldier/sleuth, religious/less so, attractive/Weird Al).  Seriously though, those two are similar, and yet do everything completely different, and would have been way more interesting than creepy stalker who finds blueprints then cries about Thessia.

*Also, that's a mix of smurf and octopus, so no reporting me for being dirty!

Modifié par krukow, 23 août 2012 - 04:24 .

[Jonata]

I think Weird Al would fit in the Mass Effect Universe. It's just that having him as Miranda have... implications unpleasant.

[Taboo]

flemm wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
(also, some people here are satisfied with the amount of content, but it's their opinion, not the opinion of the entire fanbase)

Well, I think everybody would like more. I certainly would. Hell, I'd have preferred that Miranda be the star of the game again.

Having said that, there is enough content that we really should have been able to see a more balanced portrayal than we did. As it stands, I hope that additional content will provide that.

Bolded for thruth.

And I agree with flemm. A lot of the issues here stem from the portrayl being unbalanced. She's a bit aloof for some of us. Not that we don't enjoy some of the content (the romance material is pretty good).

No one in this thread really sees Miranda exactly the same way (and that's a good thing), so a more balanced approach would flow better with all the seperate interpretations of the character.

[flemm]

@krukow, I just mean that obviously more is good. But... If you compare, for example, what Mr. Weekes and I guess Dombrow did with Jack's small amount of content, and what the devs in charge of Miranda's content did with her larger amount of content, well, there really is no comparison.

That doesn't mean that Jack fans don't want more. I like Jack, too, and would like to see more. But... there's also the question of what is done with the content available.

[krukow]

Jack really was an amazing case of making more of less. Then again, she got character GROWTH. Her arc from ME2 was completed.

I guess to do the same for Miranda, Ori would have had to be okay and her dad would have had to be a past problem. But then they'd have to write new stuff for Miranda, and they're busy writing the ending! (wait till you see it, it's AMAZING). So recycled tropes will have to do...

Sarchasm detected I hope?

[flemm]

krukow wrote...

Sarchasm detected I hope?

It was a gaping sar-chasm, and so I was able to detect it without difficulty 

Modifié par flemm, 23 août 2012 - 04:31 .