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[Caihn]

jreezy wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Wrex or Grunt seems likely to be a permanent squad member in ME3.

After the interview of Casey Hudson during Comic Con, I think we can guess that there won't be "permanent' squad member in ME3. Just squad member who will be there for a short or long time.

I don't think that applies to everyone though. I may be mistaken but I believe Liara and Ashley were confirmed as permanent squad members.

Personally I think some events during the game could make some squad members (even Liara or the VS) leave the ship definitly or temporarly ...

[Caihn]

Melrache wrote...

Meh, well my opinion is the only right opinion anyway, if they aren't same as mine, they're wrong. It should be pretty common knowledge by now.

Yeah I should know that by now ...

[CroGamer002]

jreezy wrote...

Well since you're so hung up on Wrex's importance I'll just say Grunt then. While Wrex is busy with the clans Grunt will be helping out his battlemaster.

Edit: And Grunt's biology is irrelevant in regards to his importance.

Krogan Shaman pretty much demands from Shepard over e-mail to bring back Grunt alive.
Cause Grunt is very important for clan Urdnot.
And only reason I can think of is his perfect biology.


Also I think Grunt won't like the idea for Shepard to turn himself/herself over to Alliance.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

What type of bantering would anyone like to see Miri have in ME3? And don't try to make your speculation the only on that may happen.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 01 août 2011 - 04:02 .

[MACharlie1]

Who do you think Eve (the female Krogan) will be mating with? Hmm? Who better then the perfect Krogran? So I think Grunt might be a little on the busy side. At first at least....I'm not sure how long Krogran mating rituals last to be honest.

[ViSeiRa]

Yannkee wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

You don't have to dislike it to think it's OOC (you might like it but still think it OOC), because if it's not OOC and I'm not saying it isn't, then it's pre-mature character development at its worst.

I never said that you have to dislike it to say that it's OOC. Even if I would not like it, I would not consider it OOC.

I also wanted to show that people like these aspects of her personality. And the wishlist is only focused on aspects that some here consider important to keep Miranda in character, denying the other ones which other people like.

The wishlist doesn't deny any Miranda fan anything, because it's not that specific... the moment we start putting stuff like "Make her leave Cerberus" or "Don't make her leave Cerberus" is the moment any of us has the right to complain about the wishlist.

Also how can anyone not classify the SM line as OOC, especially since Miranda mentions betrayal, to whom I might ask? to the people who died in the base? why was it not betrayal when Miranda herself used reaper technology to bring Shepard back?

I really respect the fact that you like this particular part of her development, no matter how pre-mature it is, but I can't comprehend the fact that you think this was in character for her.

[jtav]

Lots of sniping with the VS, with a sexual edge if it's Kaidan. Maybe a little wistfulness because the SR2 isn't her ship any more and she's there only because of Shep.

[KamikazeShepard]

Mesina2 wrote...

KamikazeShepard wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

LEGION IS CONFIRMED, LEGION IS CONFIRMED, LEGION CONFIRMED!!!


Oh and Miranda too.

I'm going to call fake on that because it didn't even mention Liara as a squadmate. And I really hope that's not the final list, (though I am Happy about Miranda and Legion) because we need a  Krogan Squadmate. Wrex or Grunt will do. 

They forgot to add?


Also we don't need 2 tanks in squad.
I don't expect for Grunt to be more then temp-squadmate. He is important to Krogans, you know?

And Wrex is a king of Korgans, he has more important things to do but to be Shepard's henchman.

 I can understand Wrex leaving but not Grunt. He isn't super important to the Krogan and I don't think Grunt cares about them as much you would think. Grunt already called Shepard his Battle Master, so he really should be staying with him. I don't think Grunt or Shepard even cares about the Shaman

Also while we're still talking about Grunt, I'd like to say one thing, check out his support thread and comment there, because he really needs more support. We need the Perfect Krogan in our core squad. He is pure Krogan.

http://social.biowar...54448/8#8007116


Back on topic, check out this nice picture of Miranda. Hope it hasn't been posted already

http://browse.devian...iranda#/d34nngq 

Modifié par KamikazeShepard, 01 août 2011 - 04:11 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

KamikazeShepard wrote...



Back on topic, check out this nice picture of Miranda. Hope it hasn't been posted already

http://browse.devian...iranda#/d34nngq 

It was posted many times.

[KamikazeShepard]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

KamikazeShepard wrote...



Back on topic, check out this nice picture of Miranda. Hope it hasn't been posted already

http://browse.devian...iranda#/d34nngq 

It was posted many times.

I really should try to read over the whole thread, but there's too many pages. 

[LuxDragon]

ViSeirA wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

You don't have to dislike it to think it's OOC (you might like it but still think it OOC), because if it's not OOC and I'm not saying it isn't, then it's pre-mature character development at its worst.

I never said that you have to dislike it to say that it's OOC. Even if I would not like it, I would not consider it OOC.

I also wanted to show that people like these aspects of her personality. And the wishlist is only focused on aspects that some here consider important to keep Miranda in character, denying the other ones which other people like.

The wishlist doesn't deny any Miranda fan anything, because it's not that specific... the moment we start putting stuff like "Make her leave Cerberus" or "Don't make her leave Cerberus" is the moment any of us has the right to complain about the wishlist.

Also how can anyone not classify the SM line as OOC, especially since Miranda mentions betrayal, to whom I might ask? to the people who died in the base? why was it not betrayal when Miranda herself used reaper technology to bring Shepard back?

I really respect the fact that you like this particular part of her development, no matter how pre-mature it is, but I can't comprehend the fact that you think this was in character for her.

She didn't use Reaper tech to bring him back and unless you have a reliable source, then no.

As for betrayal, yes, to the people inside that base when Cerberus was about uplifting humanity. Instead, keeping the base which purees people into a Reaper really seems like the opposite.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

KamikazeShepard wrote...


I really should try to read over the whole thread, but there's too many pages. 

I know. This thread is quite powerful indeed. We should ALL be proud of ourselves. Miri would be.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 01 août 2011 - 04:41 .

[ViSeiRa]

LuxDragon wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

You don't have to dislike it to think it's OOC (you might like it but still think it OOC), because if it's not OOC and I'm not saying it isn't, then it's pre-mature character development at its worst.

I never said that you have to dislike it to say that it's OOC. Even if I would not like it, I would not consider it OOC.

I also wanted to show that people like these aspects of her personality. And the wishlist is only focused on aspects that some here consider important to keep Miranda in character, denying the other ones which other people like.

The wishlist doesn't deny any Miranda fan anything, because it's not that specific... the moment we start putting stuff like "Make her leave Cerberus" or "Don't make her leave Cerberus" is the moment any of us has the right to complain about the wishlist.

Also how can anyone not classify the SM line as OOC, especially since Miranda mentions betrayal, to whom I might ask? to the people who died in the base? why was it not betrayal when Miranda herself used reaper technology to bring Shepard back?

I really respect the fact that you like this particular part of her development, no matter how pre-mature it is, but I can't comprehend the fact that you think this was in character for her.

She didn't use Reaper tech to bring him back and unless you have a reliable source, then no.

As for betrayal, yes, to the people inside that base when Cerberus was about uplifting humanity. Instead, keeping the base which purees people into a Reaper really seems like the opposite.

I have no reliable source, but unless Shepard was not actually dead there's no way to bring someone back from the dead without using something akin to reaper technology, something that kept even abominations like the husks going, I reckon this is gonna be some plot twist in ME3 but right now you can say I'm wrong about this.

And any technology can be repurposed, Alfred Nobel never had the intention of mass murder when he invented the dynamite, did he? the technology in the reaper (collector) base can be used against them in any number of ways, by destroying it you're effectively giving the middle finger to all the people in the galaxy not just humans.

Analogy: A killer is haunting you, he has all kinds of firearms, guns and so on... your code of honor obligates you to only fight with a sword, how smart are you now if you don't say "to hell with my code"?

[Jebel Krong]

Hm haven't looked at the op for a long while... i don't like some of the stuff on there - particularly the 3 'endings' - whatever happened to only putting things that were generally known or were in general consensus in there?

[MisterJB]

ViSeirA wrote...
Analogy: A killer is haunting you, he has all kinds of firearms, guns and so on... your code of honor obligates you to only fight with a sword, how smart are you now if you don't say "to hell with my code"?

That's not a good analogy. You are not using one of his guns, you are giving it to another killer (Cerberus) and you don't even know if the gun is loaded. Also, you risk losing the friendship and support of your allies, the other people that the first killer (Reapers) is also haunting and who actually have guns of their own(the Thanix Cannons). For a gun that migth not even be loaded and it can actually blow in your hand.

KamikazeShepard wrote...
 I can understand Wrex leaving but not Grunt. He isn't super important to the Krogan and I don't think Grunt cares about them as much you would think. Grunt already called Shepard his Battle Master, so he really should be staying with him. I don't think Grunt or Shepard even cares about the Shaman

Back on the Normandy, Grunt claims that having a clan makes him want to figth.
The Krogans respect strength. With the perfect Krogan by his side, Wrex can rally the clans under Urdnot which makes Grunt much more useful than he would be if he follows Shepard around.
As much as I like Grunt, he is better off in Tuchanka.

Modifié par MisterJB, 01 août 2011 - 05:18 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Reaper tech is the Very thing we fight against. IF not used properly, It would end up being our downfall.

And Cerberus was supposed to be against the Reapers, of course it would have been a betrayal. Miri was right!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 01 août 2011 - 05:24 .

[LuxDragon]

ViSeirA wrote...

I have no reliable source, but unless Shepard was not actually dead there's no way to bring someone back from the dead without using something akin to reaper technology, something that kept even abominations like the husks going, I reckon this is gonna be some plot twist in ME3 but right now you can say I'm wrong about this.

And any technology can be repurposed, Alfred Nobel never had the intention of mass murder when he invented the dynamite, did he? the technology in the reaper (collector) base can be used against them in any number of ways, by destroying it you're effectively giving the middle finger to all the people in the galaxy not just humans.

Analogy: A killer is haunting you, he has all kinds of firearms, guns and so on... your code of honor obligates you to only fight with a sword, how smart are you now if you don't say "to hell with my code"?

He was dead and Jacob already said that cutting-edge tech was used to bring him back. Don't give Reapers all the credit. Human ingenunity counts for something and Miranda was in charge.

So, yes. I'm going with your wrong unless BW says otherwise.

And technology we don't have any understanding about before we're ready is dangerous. We dropped an A-Bomb in New Mexico to test it out and then sent U.S. soliders to look around like idiots, not knowing about the radiation. When we broke that barrier of nuclear arms, we had others emulated it and create the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Tech can be repurposed. And doing so can be dangerous. For them and for us.

And Cerberus has a lousy track record.

Modifié par LuxDragon, 01 août 2011 - 05:24 .

[Ieldra]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

jtav wrote...

"I don't know...using anything from this base seems like a betrayal."

Oh that.Yes,I found it quite OOC too.Miranda showed herself(especially in prologue) like someone cold and calculated who doesn't let her emotions get the best of her. It would be okay if she wanted to destroy the base because she thought there was too much risk of indoctrination or something,but that line really felt out of place for her. I know we all interpret characters in our own way,but when it comes to stuff like this,Miranda left really little room for interpretation.

Exactly this!

[drwells123]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

jtav wrote...

"I don't know...using anything from this base seems like a betrayal."

Oh that.Yes,I found it quite OOC too.Miranda showed herself(especially in prologue) like someone cold and calculated who doesn't let her emotions get the best of her. It would be okay if she wanted to destroy the base because she thought there was too much risk of indoctrination or something,but that line really felt out of place for her. I know we all interpret characters in our own way,but when it comes to stuff like this,Miranda left really little room for interpretation.

It seems that *everyone* condemns you if you don't blow up the base. You'd expect more diversity of opinion, so maybe it's just some heavy-handed foreshadowing? I wonder if that was simply the best line they could come up with to fit Miranda into that straitjacket along with everyone else?

I always wondered why you couldn't just give the base to the Alliance. Worst-case scenario is that EDI already sent the Reaper IFF to Cerberus, but the Alliance should still be able to reach the base before Tim manages to completely dismantle it.

Of course, the same Alliance couldn't even get over to Ilos before Vigil's battery ran out...

[MisterJB]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Reaper tech is the Very thing we fight against.

We are not figthing against Reaper tech. We are figthing against the Reapers, big difference.
We use Reaper tech on a daily basis, almost everything in the ME universe is based on Reaper tech and it was in fact essential to the sucess of the mission. The Mass Relays, the Reaper IFF, EDI, the Tanix Cannon.

Modifié par MisterJB, 01 août 2011 - 05:30 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Reaper tech is the Very thing we fight against.

We are not figthing against Reaper tech. We are figthing against the Reapers, big different.
We use Reaper tech on a daily basis, almost everything in the ME universe is based on Reaper tech and it was in fact essential to the sucess of the mission. The Mass Relays, the Reaper IFF, EDI, the Tanix Cannon.

Ok. but the base held an actually reaper, being raise and created by processed humans. Using a base that did that would have been indeed a betrayal. I share Miri's perspective on this.

[Ieldra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Reaper tech is the Very thing we fight against. IF not used properly, It would end up being our downfall.

That is akin to saying that we fight our enemy's guns instead of the enemies themselves. Reaper technology not some evil mojo, it is a tool. A dangerous tool, yes, possibly even too dangerous to leave in Cerberus' hands in spite of the possible benefits. But we fight the Reapers themselves. Using a technologically superior enemy's weapons against them has always been a valid strategy - if you could pull it off.

[ViSeiRa]

MisterJB wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...
Analogy: A killer is haunting you, he has all kinds of firearms, guns and so on... your code of honor obligates you to only fight with a sword, how smart are you now if you don't say "to hell with my code"?

That's not a good analogy. You are not using one of his guns, you are giving it to another killer (Cerberus) and you don't even know if the gun is loaded. Also, you risk losing the friendship and support of your allies, the other people that the first killer (Reapers) is also haunting and who actually have guns of their own(the Thanix Cannons). For a gun that migth not even be loaded and it can actually blow in your hand.

I'm not using one of his guns? I'm gonna end up using it eventually, and let me remind you how the Turians made the Thanix Cannons, which are essentially a smaller version of Sovereign's main gun... ah the irony.