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[enayasoul]

flemm wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Wait, so what ending did Leviathan destroy? I'm about half way through and....Wow. This is how the rest of ME3 should have been. No where else in the game is everything so detailed and feel so....interesting.

I haven't played it, but apparently some people feel that the DLC is partially intended to render destroy less desirable.

I didn't get that feeling... I only played the dlc and not the ending.   So I don't know what lies glowly boy  has to say in his defense.

Modifié par enayasoul, 29 août 2012 - 01:35 .

[CrutchCricket]

Steelcan wrote...
 Right after the reapers are blown to hell, we blow the Leviathans to hell as well

If you can, with your rickety ass fleets and your exhausted soldiers.

[LanceSolous13]

But, Why wouldn't it be killed in the Destroy beam? There's no option to NOT recruit it?

[CrutchCricket]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

But, Why wouldn't it be killed in the Destroy beam? There's no option to NOT recruit it?

I'd have to get into spoiler territory. You really want me to answer?

[Taboo]

CrutchCricket wrote...

?

Source?

And who's to say Space Grandpa doesn't end his next story of "the Shepard" with "Now it's really time for bed my sweet. Remember we have to get up early tomorrow for the tribute to our cuttlefish overlords."

I tell you nothing good can come from this.

I'm not looking this up for you. This comes directly the lead writer himself. This occured well over five months ago. The original intent was to show that all the way in the future, civilization had come out of a dark age. They retconned this in the EC but the scene remains to canonize all Shepards. Ask Ieldra if you don't believe me. He'll tell you the exact same thing.

You should know this by now.

As for the Reaper Overlords, that's just silly and you know it. The endings suck and they suck hard but you have to think within reason.

Once that scren cuts to black Bioware no longer has control, you do. Anything you want can happen. Anything. That's the point.

It's a a crock of ****, but that's what they wanted you to do. I was told this by a producer. Yeah it's lazy, yeah it's contrived, but at least they can't touch your story anymore.

In the middle of this mess I'd call that a victory.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 29 août 2012 - 01:39 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Miri loves listening to classical Music. Can you imagine this to be something of her liking?

Fantasia On A Theme

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 29 août 2012 - 01:44 .

[Taboo]

^ Luis this was already established. She likes David Bowie. This is canon and is not debatable.

[CrutchCricket]

Taboo-XX wrote...
I'm not looking this up for you. This comes directly the lead writer himself. This occured well over five months ago. The original intent was to show that all the way in the future, civilization had come out of a dark age. They retconned this in the EC but the scene remains to canonize all Shepards. Ask Ieldra if you don't believe me. He'll tell you the exact same thing.

I question your use of an exact figure. That's it's meant to be at some point in the distant future is obvious.

As for the Reaper Overlords, that's just silly and you know it. The endings suck and they suck hard but you have to think within reason.

I'm prefectly within reason. And I didn't say Reapers. But if you've seen the DLC you know the ones I'm referring to are no better. And you know that destroy leaves them as the strongest things in the galaxy.

Means+ motive = ...

Not rocket science.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 29 août 2012 - 01:45 .

[Taboo]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
I'm not looking this up for you. This comes directly the lead writer himself. This occured well over five months ago. The original intent was to show that all the way in the future, civilization had come out of a dark age. They retconned this in the EC but the scene remains to canonize all Shepards. Ask Ieldra if you don't believe me. He'll tell you the exact same thing.

I question your use of an exact figure. That's it's meant to be at some point in the distant future is obvious.

As for the Reaper Overlords, that's just silly and you know it. The endings suck and they suck hard but you have to think within reason.

I'm prefectly within reason. And I didn't say Reapers. But if you've seen the DLC you know the ones I'm referring to are no better. And you know that destroy leaves them as the strongest things in the galaxy.

Means+ motive = ...

Not rocket science.

Mac Walters said TEN THOUSAND YEARS. A ten thousand year dark age. That's what his ****ty little ending meant. Ask Ieldra if you don't believe me. If there is one thing we agree on without any arguments it's that this being retconned was a good thing.

The one thing that the polar opposites in the Miranda thread agree on is that you have a huge space for the Galaxy to grow. The scene is still there. It still takes place ten thousand years in the future.

Things are going to fine.

But if you want people to mutilate one another I won't stop you. You're intentionally making things more grim than they need to be.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 29 août 2012 - 01:53 .

[CrutchCricket]

Taboo-XX wrote...
Mac Walters said TEN THOUSAND YEARS. A ten thousand year dark age. That's what his ****ty little ending meant. Ask Ieldra if you don't believe me. If there is one thing we agree on without any arguments it's that this being retconned was a good thing.

If it was retconned, then this is irrelevant. There is no reason to believe 10,000 years over a few centuries. And even more irrelevant to actually debate. It happens far off in the future sometime. Whatever.

But if you want people to mutilate one another I won't stop you. You're intentionally making things more grim than they need to be.

I don't want anything of the sort. In fact prior to ME3 all I kept thinking about was how the galaxy would look afterwards (virtually unchanged) and what adventures were to be had.

Now I realize that's terribly naive, given all the things that have happened.

Almost every comment I make on the post-ME3 scene is usually based on most likely logical probability. I'm not interested in themes or sunshine and happy endings. I'm interested in seeing consequences play out.

[JeanLuc761]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Mac Walters said TEN THOUSAND YEARS. A ten thousand year dark age. That's what his ****ty little ending meant. Ask Ieldra if you don't believe me. If there is one thing we agree on without any arguments it's that this being retconned was a good thing.

The one thing that the polar opposites in the Miranda thread agree on is that you have a huge space for the Galaxy to grow. The scene is still there. It still takes place ten thousand years in the future.

Things are going to fine.

But if you want people to mutilate one another I won't stop you. You're intentionally making things more grim than they need to be.

If there's one thing I've gradually become aware of it's that some people appear determined to remain angry at Bioware and Mass Effect 3, come hell or high water.  

[CrutchCricket]

JeanLuc761 wrote...
If there's one thing I've gradually become aware of it's that some people appear determined to remain angry at Bioware and Mass Effect 3, come hell or high water.  

Yes, well they haven't done much to alleviate said anger. Quite the opposite in fact.

[JeanLuc761]

CrutchCricket wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...
If there's one thing I've gradually become aware of it's that some people appear determined to remain angry at Bioware and Mass Effect 3, come hell or high water.  

Yes, well they haven't done much to alleviate said anger. Quite the opposite in fact.

I thought the Extended Cut was a very strong push in the right direction, but regardless, what good does it do to stay upset?  All it does is ensure you stay unhappy.

This might just be me, but I've decided to no longer stay angry at what could have been, and I'm instead making sure I enjoy what IS.  I have to mentally retcon a few things but I can enjoy the series again.

[Taboo]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Mac Walters said TEN THOUSAND YEARS. A ten thousand year dark age. That's what his ****ty little ending meant. Ask Ieldra if you don't believe me. If there is one thing we agree on without any arguments it's that this being retconned was a good thing.

If it was retconned, then this is irrelevant. There is no reason to believe 10,000 years over a few centuries. And even more irrelevant to actually debate. It happens far off in the future sometime. Whatever.

But if you want people to mutilate one another I won't stop you. You're intentionally making things more grim than they need to be.

I don't want anything of the sort. In fact prior to ME3 all I kept thinking about was how the galaxy would look afterwards (virtually unchanged) and what adventures were to be had.

Now I realize that's terribly naive, given all the things that have happened.

Almost every comment I make on the post-ME3 scene is usually based on most likely logical probability. I'm not interested in themes or sunshine and happy endings. I'm interested in seeing consequences play out.

Only the Dark Age was retconned. Please understand that. The scene was there to canonize all Shepards. All of them, regardless of what ending you picked. The slides take place over many decades. People are just fine in Destroy. Jacob is teaching a class, Samara is visiting her daughter, and the Krogan mothers are with their new babies.

And Miranda is there with Shepard.

They could have cut it out but they didn't. The time frame is still there.  It's an asspull. I said they would do this months ago and they did it. Wallowing in despair doesn't help anyone. I hate the endings just as much as you do but I refuse to let that blind me to what's being shown.

Yes, what you've said is entirely possible, but my Shepard is going to be long dead by that time.

[Ghost]

I need the Jacob pictures for another thread. S**** about to get real.

[LanceSolous13]

I'm going to remain pissed at Bioware as long as they remain arrogant and act like nothing is wrong. When I sat down and looked at ME3's plot to see what was good and what was bad, Only two things fit remotely close to the standard of Mass Effect 2 and actually work; Tuchanka and PARTS of Rannoch. Nothing else actually works well at all.

The Citadel Coup is random, illogical, confusing, and never discussed again.

The beginning is chock full of bad writing and is just....WTF?

Cronos Station either states things we already know or doesn't bring closure to anything espicially consdering how under-developed Cerberus is.

Priority: Earth is not a gaint climax the series needs and...Why is THIS the final level? This doesn't stand up at all to the Suicide Mission.

Finally, The endings don't have clarity or closure. Period. Want to know why a lot of people talk about Mass Effect 4? Because there wasn't closure to tell the audicence that its the end.

If Bioware would admit their faults and appologise for the mess they made, then I would be much less...resentful but the arrogance to claim that they made no fault is absurd.

So, Someone spoil me. Why is their no option not to recruit Leviathan and why won't he be killed in the Beam? Also, does he appear in the ending anywhere?

[Ghost]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I'm going to remain pissed at Bioware as long as they remain arrogant and act like nothing is wrong. When I sat down and looked at ME3's plot to see what was good and what was bad, Only two things fit remotely close to the standard of Mass Effect 2 and actually work; Tuchanka and PARTS of Rannoch. Nothing else actually works well at all.

The Citadel Coup is random, illogical, confusing, and never discussed again.

The beginning is chock full of bad writing and is just....WTF?

Cronos Station either states things we already know or doesn't bring closure to anything espicially consdering how under-developed Cerberus is.

Priority: Earth is not a gaint climax the series needs and...Why is THIS the final level? This doesn't stand up at all to the Suicide Mission.

Finally, The endings don't have clarity or closure. Period. Want to know why a lot of people talk about Mass Effect 4? Because there wasn't closure to tell the audicence that its the end.

If Bioware would admit their faults and appologise for the mess they made, then I would be much less...resentful but the arrogance to claim that they made no fault is absurd.

So, Someone spoil me. Why is their no option not to recruit Leviathan and why won't he be killed in the Beam? Also, does he appear in the ending anywhere?

I probably like ME3 more than ME2 and you know ME2 has my favorites.

[Ghost]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I'm going to remain pissed at Bioware as long as they remain arrogant and act like nothing is wrong. When I sat down and looked at ME3's plot to see what was good and what was bad, Only two things fit remotely close to the standard of Mass Effect 2 and actually work; Tuchanka and PARTS of Rannoch. Nothing else actually works well at all.

The Citadel Coup is random, illogical, confusing, and never discussed again.

The beginning is chock full of bad writing and is just....WTF?

Cronos Station either states things we already know or doesn't bring closure to anything espicially consdering how under-developed Cerberus is.

Priority: Earth is not a gaint climax the series needs and...Why is THIS the final level? This doesn't stand up at all to the Suicide Mission.

Finally, The endings don't have clarity or closure. Period. Want to know why a lot of people talk about Mass Effect 4? Because there wasn't closure to tell the audicence that its the end.

If Bioware would admit their faults and appologise for the mess they made, then I would be much less...resentful but the arrogance to claim that they made no fault is absurd.

So, Someone spoil me. Why is their no option not to recruit Leviathan and why won't he be killed in the Beam? Also, does he appear in the ending anywhere?

Also, I believe the leviathans, there is more than one of them use orbs to take control of the Reapers on Earth.

[Taboo]

I'm used to this kind of thing. There are plenty of films that end like this.

Das Weisse Band was just like this. Ask Ieldra about it.

If he knows what I'm talking about. God I hope so.

He'd better.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Taboo-XX wrote...

^ Luis this was already established. She likes David Bowie. This is canon and is not debatable.

But she Loves the Adagio Movement of Nielsen's 5th Symphony, so I'm guessing she would enjoy listening to something like Fantasia On A Theme.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 29 août 2012 - 02:39 .

[kaymarierose]

I actually liked the DLC. Still waiting for the one I actually want (hint, hint, nudge, nudge), but I'd say my money was well spent.

No spoilers, but my decision to choose destroy every. single. time.... Rock solid.

With the addition of this DLC it actually makes me want to join those who wish for a high EMS refuse...

Modifié par kaymarierose, 29 août 2012 - 02:40 .

[Skullheart]

And they still don't admit how poor they treated the ME2 characters, and they don't have any intention to correct that.

[CrutchCricket]

Taboo-XX wrote...
Only the Dark Age was retconned.

How convenient.

The scene was there to canonize all Shepards. All of them, regardless of what ending you picked. The slides take place over many decades. People are just fine in Destroy. Jacob is teaching a class, Samara is visiting her daughter, and the Krogan mothers are with their new babies.

And Miranda is there with Shepard.

That's fine, I have no issue with any of this. But 10,000 years is moronic. How many grandparents lull their grandkids off to bed with tales of Thutmose III? Or Gilgamesh?

Please. In 10,000 years people will be lucky if they even understand the use of pronouns. You can't even guarantee preservation or continuity of language, let alone history.

Yes, what you've said is entirely possible, but my Shepard is going to be long dead by that time.

Ah so we get back to my original question then. Not our concern if Shep's dead, is it? Alrighty, time to bang Morinth.  Those ****s on the Citadel didn't listen to me when I said the Reapers are coming, so ****'em. I'm punching out. Let them worry about it.

[Taboo]

kaymarierose wrote...

I actually liked the DLC. Still waiting for the one I actually want (hint, hint, nudge, nudge), but I'd say my money was well spent.

No spoilers, but my decision to choose destroy every. single. time.... Rock solid.

With the addition of this DLC it actually makes me want to join those who wish for a high EMS refuse...

I know you want Jacob DLC as much as Ghost but it will have to wait until we get the Miranda DLC taken care of.

Did you see Asakowa's stuff a few pages back? She has all this really funny Miranda related stuff.

Anyway it's nice to see that you enjoyed it.

[Ghost]

Skullheart wrote...

And they still don't admit how poor they treated the ME2 characters, and they don't have any intention to correct that.

I'm pretty good at guessing when it comes to the ME franchise and trust me they are not done. 

Here are a few guesses I have made that turned out to be correct...

The Catalyst being an AI.

A Prothean squadmate.

EDI becoming a squadmate.

Who is Leviathan- I have the thread I posted before it was released knowing what it was.