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[krukow]

hot_heart wrote...

You know, as much as I dislike that first holovidcall conversation with Miranda, it does actually make a point that she's out there, doing something. Just that all the dialogue lets it down...

edit: I'm an idiot, thought you meant the last one.  Derp!

Modifié par krukow, 29 août 2012 - 09:55 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Skullheart wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I never went to that Thread, but I can't really see why we would troll there. I haven't seen any sign of "Vengeance" on our part.

There is this pic that causes nightmares. I used it when they bring the Michael Jackson card (comparing Miranda with him just for the skin tone and black hair).

1) Miranda does NOT  look dead (Jackson's Face looked like his Skeleton was about to rip out). She is Caucasian and she is not too pale.
2) Her Hair Color is TECHNICALLY  Dark Brown depending on lighting.

Honestly, I don't know where they get ideas such as this. It's very annoying and very insulting if you ask me.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 29 août 2012 - 09:55 .

[Skullheart]

The problemis that Miranda is good just in text. We don't actually what she does (we can see Jack leading her students, Grunt leading his commandos). But with Miranda we only got text, nohing more.

[jtav]

I've argued ad nauseaum that Strahovski is theoretically replaceable. That's not the issue. Because the direction of the character--the obsession with Ori, the glorification of the normal, having no purpose beyond being tragic death, LI, or both---were all written into the role's DNA starting with LOTSB. The VA wouldn't have changed anything. What did change it was the collective "what the hell" of even non-fans. Hence why the text portions and slides are different in tone to her actual scenes.

I don't think Strahovski loved working on ME either, but it's her job, not her hobby. She did a capable job, and that's all I ask.

[Taboo]

To be honest I don't even think that she's going to last much longer. Call me cynical but Hollywood is in a big sift right now.

A big one.

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

To be honest I don't even think that she's going to last much longer. Call me cynical but Hollywood is in a big sift right now.

A big one.

What do you mean?  Getting cut up into little pieces in Dexter will clearly be the breakthrough she's been waiting for!

[Skullheart]

My first person to balem about her mutilation still is walters, followed by hudson and jay w.

I'm not affond with straohskiv, mainly because for her Miranda was just a work. While with the rest of the main VA it was something more, at least they didn't cut ties with the fans of the characters like strahivski did. She did her work anyway, I just wanted someone who liked the work to do it.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

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Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 29 août 2012 - 10:06 .

[Ghost]

Skullheart wrote...

ghost, you might help in the tech support forum but here you are most of the time an annoyance.

1.- *britney spears guy here* If you love her then don't bash her 90% of the time.
2.- False reports can get someone banned, if they are false. Most of your post here aren't constructive and are meaning to incite flame wars and trolling.
3.- We can share our opinions about reporting you or not.
4.- People gets banned a lot in the BSN, that'snothing new.
5.- No one is threating you, just saying that your behavior might cause some reports from the users here.

As fo rme, I'll do like the rest of the users from here and just ignore you, and maybe report you, as I said before.

1. I don't bash her.
2. Most of my posts add to the discussion hence why I usually quote people.
3. That right there is a planned attack to falsely report someone.
4. I've been banned before.
5. The other guy openly called my name threatening to report me for sharing an opinion.

[Taboo]

No it isn't that. What the studios aren't telling you is that they're dying. Fading.

The money is no longer there. It's becoming increasingly difficult to make big films. Many films are gambles now. Lions Gate made a HUGE gamble on the Hunger Games. Had it failed they would have been in serious trouble. It's actually safer now to make smaller independent things as they can be made on the cheap and sold for a lot more.

Hollywood isn't a magic place where all your dreams come true. People are eaten alive there.

[hot_heart]

Babi_Siha wrote...
Yes, she's out there, running from Cerberus and looking for her sister instead of doing something for the war.

Yeah, like I said, the dialogue lets it down. At points, it almost sounds like she was doing something mainly Cerberus-involved. The assassin stuff and the TIM stuff hint at that. But then it quickly takes a turn back to "..I need to do this myself. I can't think straight until Ori is safe."

A bit of tweaking could've shifted that focus to a more positive presentation, perhaps tying in the search to saying something like "I'll let you know if I find anything" since she's stumbled onto something bigger with the search for Oriana.

Then after that, just an extra email with some vague details she's learned about this 'project' her father is working on (nothing too explicit, but build intrigue), and then just assume she had no way to contact Shepard until it was too late. Hell, after Thessia, why couldn't she have said something like the fact that she's tracked it down to somewhere in the Iera system and has no time to lose(!) so is heading straight there? Rather than Sam's "Oh, by the way, I tracked Leng's ship" (not hating on Sam, by the way).

It just seems weird that she wouldn't have told Shepard what she was doing if it involved her father and TIM. I mean, she loved writing reports!

Ah, why beat myself up over it... <_<

[Taboo]

It's best to head canon furiously as it saves you a lot of grief.

She does say she'll let Shepard know more when she's sure.

Her obsession DOES give you vital insight into what TIM was doing though as it leads her to the exact place where Henry was doing the experiments.

Although that's presented poorly as well.

I don't think she was aware of what he was doing there until she arrived if I remember correctly. Had she learned that she would have appeared a little more lucid as that would have been her secondary goal after getting Oriana out BEFORE going to the facility.

[hot_heart]

Yeah, that's the biggest problem. The fact that she says that she couldn't just walk away, as if she'd even considered doing that. Surely, there was a better way to phrase that...

The conversation recorded between Leng and TIM on Cronos sort of suggests that she had an idea of what was going on. Though, really, it just says that the work there has made it 'a target' for both her and the Reapers, I believe.

Modifié par hot_heart, 29 août 2012 - 10:26 .

[jtav]

I find the best thing to do is ignore everything but the bare facts of Oriana being missing, Miranda being worried, and Miranda going to Sanctuary. Anything beyond that doesn't deserve consideration.\\

[Vertigo_1]

Anyone going to PAX?

twitter.com/GambleMike/status/240933086836183040
"I guess there's this PAX thing going on next week. If you wanna talk Mass Effect, i'll be there"

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 29 août 2012 - 10:32 .

[krukow]

jtav wrote...

I find the best thing to do is ignore everything but the bare facts of Oriana being missing, Miranda being worried, and Miranda going to Sanctuary. Anything beyond that doesn't deserve consideration.

I thought that was what it was anyways?  

There's so much sub-context I'm missing...

[flemm]

hot_heart wrote...

Yeah, that's the biggest problem. The fact that she says that she couldn't just walk away, as if she'd even considered doing that. Surely, there was a better way to phrase that...

One would certainly think so

It accidentally suggests the opposite of what is intended.

Modifié par flemm, 30 août 2012 - 01:51 .

[jtav]

I think it all goes back to the desire to redeem her. The evil Cerberus officer has a conscience after all. You're supposed to see it like Han coming back in Star Wars. Except it fails utterly because Miranda has always been willing to die for strangers. So she's actually less moral in ME3.

That's one of the reasons I think Miranda in ME3 is so reviled. She degenerated between games. Shepard had a negative effect on her. She already was willing to lay down her life for people she didn't know. What would have been more true to character and touching would be her offering to escort survivors to safety while you finish the mission, showing she's less quick to view individuals as expendable or unimportant.

Modifié par jtav, 30 août 2012 - 02:23 .

[LanceSolous13]

krukow wrote...

hot_heart wrote...

krukow wrote...
ME2 squadmates were useless apart from their powers.  In ME3, they actually kill with their guns.

Ash didn't kill anyone in my ME3 playthrough.

You virmired her.  Got it.

Funny thing?  She's still more important to ME3's storyline than Miranda.

Not exactly. To be honest, She doesn't really do much outside of becoming a SPECTRE which is Pre-Citadel Coup. After that, she doesn't really have much to say or do unless you romance her.

I'd say they're somewhat on par with eachother to an extent. Only reason she could be considered "more important" is her Squaddie Status.

[Discotheque]

Wow this thread is in a feisty mood today , anyways . I thought It was odd that she wanted to do this whole search for Orianna by herself , I think it was Bioware's way of letting you get an idea of what she's doing , without having to actually make some sort of content where you help .

[Taboo]

Feisty mood? Bah!

Just say Fascist and people get up in arms!

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 30 août 2012 - 05:11 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Nevermind.

Curse you, 7he Island Head.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 30 août 2012 - 02:35 .

[LanceSolous13]

Curious thought just came to mind. Suppose Miranda wasn't focused on Ori for the enitre game and, in fact, Ori had been handwaved as being safe or something.

Do you think it would be interesting to see her appear at Grissom Accademy?

[Taboo]

They used a character trait to string her along. Her ideals are still there they just aren't on screen.

These characters are not obscenely complex.

She believed in an organization and it feel apart. She had second thoughts. She had those in ME2.

Why is this such a surprise to people here?

[Discotheque]

Well I believe she was being chased by a lot of Cerberus assassins as well, so she couldn't have been totally focused on Ori the whole time .