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[Melra]

Seboist wrote...

Melrache wrote...

I'd laugh my ass off, if keeping the base would actually result in furthering Reaper influence over Cerberus and causing them to have some additional extra powerful minions

That would result in renegades getting unique content, so we can safely rule that out.

So would Paragons, it's called.. Less pain in the ass.

[MisterJB]

Seboist wrote...

What's jarring about Miranda being against keeping the base due to some petty moral reason is that back on the lazarus space station she was shown to be very cold and ruthless when she described the remaining personnel as being expendable. Also, she was in favor of controlling people with a control chip.

Need I remind you that Miranda argued against Shepard escorting the crew back to the normandy? It's obvious that even then, she still puts the mission first. However, there is a difference between Cerberus personnel and civilians and that migth have influenced her opinion regarding the base.

[Caihn]

Melrache wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Melrache wrote...

I'd laugh my ass off, if keeping the base would actually result in furthering Reaper influence over Cerberus and causing them to have some additional extra powerful minions

That would result in renegades getting unique content, so we can safely rule that out.

So would Paragons, it's called.. Less pain in the ass.

 can't stop laughing

[Jebel Krong]

Seboist wrote...

Melrache wrote...

I'd laugh my ass off, if keeping the base would actually result in furthering Reaper influence over Cerberus and causing them to have some additional extra powerful minions

That would result in renegades getting unique content, so we can safely rule that out.

which is why it was reduced to a simple moral choice with no real repercussion (like the end-choice in ME1).

[Sebby]

MisterJB wrote...

Seboist wrote...

What's jarring about Miranda being against keeping the base due to some petty moral reason is that back on the lazarus space station she was shown to be very cold and ruthless when she described the remaining personnel as being expendable. Also, she was in favor of controlling people with a control chip.

Need I remind you that Miranda argued against Shepard escorting the crew back to the normandy? It's obvious that even then, she still puts the mission first. However, there is a difference between Cerberus personnel and civilians and that migth have influenced her opinion regarding the base.

The same Miranda who defended Cerberus' experimentations on husks on the basis of "they were already dead"?

Miranda being against keeping the base is another case of the writers being nincompoops like making the squadmates who favored keeping the base do a complete 180 when back on the Normandy and making them into bipolar morons.

[OrumRod]

I decided to destroy the base cause i don't trust Cerberus, they have used humans in the past before to experiment on them so who says that TIM won't keep "farming" humans to create his own reaper? That's the reason i destroyed it and i think Miranda by that time knows better than before that Cerberus and TIM don't know any boundaries.

[OrumRod]

Seboist wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Seboist wrote...

What's jarring about Miranda being against keeping the base due to some petty moral reason is that back on the lazarus space station she was shown to be very cold and ruthless when she described the remaining personnel as being expendable. Also, she was in favor of controlling people with a control chip.

Need I remind you that Miranda argued against Shepard escorting the crew back to the normandy? It's obvious that even then, she still puts the mission first. However, there is a difference between Cerberus personnel and civilians and that migth have influenced her opinion regarding the base.

The same Miranda who defended Cerberus' experimentations on husks on the basis of "they were already dead"?

Miranda being against keeping the base is another case of the writers being nincompoops like making the squadmates who favored keeping the base do a complete 180 when back on the Normandy and making them into bipolar morons.

To you and all the others that think that are better than BioWare's writters just shut up. Stop playing the game if it is nonesense. Go make your own company and see if you can be as succesfull as BioWare. They have made an awesome job so far and you talk crap about them.

[Skullheart]

Just destroy the damn base, TIM can't be trusted, even his VA says that he don't trust him. And in ME: Invasion we already know that with base or no base, Cerberus lost control of the situation.

Modifié par Skullheart, 01 août 2011 - 06:48 .

[The Elder King]

OrumRod wrote...

Seboist wrote...



Miranda being against keeping the base is another case of the writers being nincompoops like making the squadmates who favored keeping the base do a complete 180 when back on the Normandy and making them into bipolar morons.

To you and all the others that think that are better than BioWare's writters just shut up. Stop playing the game if it is nonesense. Go make your own company and see if you can be as succesfull as BioWare. They have made an awesome job so far and you talk crap about them.

So do you think that it's reasonable that Mordin and Legion were for keeping the base during the SM and then said it was better to destroy it in the Normandy? If so, tell me a reson for this change of opinion.
 I love Bioware games (most of them) but that doesn't mean that their game are perfect.

Modifié par hhh89, 01 août 2011 - 06:51 .

[LuxDragon]

MisterJB wrote...

Need I remind you that Miranda argued against Shepard escorting the crew back to the normandy? It's obvious that even then, she still puts the mission first. However, there is a difference between Cerberus personnel and civilians and that migth have influenced her opinion regarding the base.

She wasn't against it per se. She was pointing out that going back after making a push forward would jeopardize the mission. The Collectors could regroup and make the return trip harder.

[Sebby]

hhh89 wrote...

OrumRod wrote...

Seboist wrote...



Miranda being against keeping the base is another case of the writers being nincompoops like making the squadmates who favored keeping the base do a complete 180 when back on the Normandy and making them into bipolar morons.

To you and all the others that think that are better than BioWare's writters just shut up. Stop playing the game if it is nonesense. Go make your own company and see if you can be as succesfull as BioWare. They have made an awesome job so far and you talk crap about them.

So do you think that it's reasonable that Mordin and Legion were for keeping the base during the SM and then said it was better to destroy it in the Normandy? If so, tell me a reson for this change of opinion.
 I love Bioware games (most of them) but that doesn't mean that their game are perfect.

Yeah, a character like Mordin who was knowlingly working for a Cerberus operation from the get-go and even endorsed TIM's plan with the Collector ship ends up being shocked and apalled that Shepard "gives them the base" after he himself recommmended that s/he should?

I don't know if Mordin is on or needs drugs but he's surely not right in the head.

[Ieldra]

Melrache wrote...
I'd laugh my ass off, if keeping the base would actually result in furthering Reaper influence over Cerberus and causing them to have some additional extra powerful minions

I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that way. It is plausible. As long as this is balanced out by the knowledge contained in the base being useful later in the war after we've taken it from Cerberus, I'll be content with that result.

[The Elder King]

Seboist wrote...

hhh89 wrote...



So do you think that it's reasonable that Mordin and Legion were for keeping the base during the SM and then said it was better to destroy it in the Normandy? If so, tell me a reson for this change of opinion.
 I love Bioware games (most of them) but that doesn't mean that their game are perfect.

Yeah, a character like Mordin who was knowlingly working for a Cerberus operation from the get-go and even endorsed TIM's plan with the Collector ship ends up being shocked and apalled that Shepard "gives them the base" after he himself recommmended that s/he should?

I don't know if Mordin is on or needs drugs but he's surely not right in the head.

Maybe he's affected by his old age:P.

[MisterJB]

Seboist wrote...

The same Miranda who defended Cerberus' experimentations on husks on the basis of "they were already dead"?

True, there's no arguing that and I certainly hope Miranda in ME3 does not say that experimenting on the Husks was wrong.

However, she did say "After seeing it firsthand" which could indicate that up to that point, Miranda had managed to make the distinction between the, in this case, Husk and the person it had once been and she was unable to do that in the Base after watching a human liquified.
I can't say I like this development but there it is.

[Ieldra]

Seboist wrote...
The same Miranda who defended Cerberus' experimentations on husks on the basis of "they were already dead"?

Miranda being against keeping the base is another case of the writers being nincompoops like making the squadmates who favored keeping the base do a complete 180 when back on the Normandy and making them into bipolar morons.

This. That was clearly one of the most annoying aspects of the game.

[Lee337]

I thought it was because they thought keeping the base is good but giving it to Cerberus is bad. But you don't get the option to give it to the alliance.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I don't see how Miri's actions in the Cerberus base was so abrupt. You gotta read/ look between the lines. This mission didn't happen in a few days you know. In their perspective, it was probably weeks. No matter how fast they travel, space is still large.

What I'm saying is that through that time, Miri may have been having second thoughts on TIM's actions.

And wanting to keep the base may have crossed the line.

It's just my opinion though, there's no need to prove I'm wrong. It's just preference.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 01 août 2011 - 07:30 .

[GuitarShredUK]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

What type of bantering would anyone like to see Miri have in ME3? And don't try to make your speculation the only on that may happen.

I'd like to see Miranda and perhaps Jack take on the roles (squad banter wise) of Aveline and Isabela in DA2, where they have a constant back and forth over appropriate behaviour/remarks and actions. To be honest this would be quite fitting, as Jack seems to love riling Miri at any opportunity for obvious reasons (Miri's a member of Cerberus, denies Pragia etc).   

[jtav]

But you need to show her having those second thoughts. I can do mental gymastics to make it plausible. I shouldn't have to.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

GuitarShredUK wrote...


I'd like to see Miranda and perhaps Jack take on the roles (squad banter wise) of Aveline and Isabela in DA2, where they have a constant back and forth over appropriate behaviour/remarks and actions. To be honest this would be quite fitting, as Jack seems to love riling Miri at any opportunity for obvious reasons (Miri's a member of Cerberus, denies Pragia etc).   

Since I had Garrus with Miri and I most off the time in the Squad, I would like to see bantering between Miri and Garrus.

[raziel1980]

Melrache wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Melrache wrote...

I'd laugh my ass off, if keeping the base would actually result in furthering Reaper influence over Cerberus and causing them to have some additional extra powerful minions

That would result in renegades getting unique content, so we can safely rule that out.

So would Paragons, it's called.. Less pain in the ass.

LOL! That means renegon's like me who were renegade for the most part but still made paragon decisions during the big moments( but also REFUSED TO do the paragon interruppt thing during the game!) in the games( if your talking about both ME 1 n ME 2) will have an easier time of dealing with Cerberus in the next game. That would be cool...so long as that action doesn't stop me from getting to put a bullet right between the eyes of the illusive man...

EDIT: My main squad is much like 101's except I did get just about everyone involved during the suicide mission, hell, my fem shep even romanced Garrus while becoming BFF's with Miri.

Modifié par raziel1980, 01 août 2011 - 07:31 .

[Ieldra]

heh....exactly the opposite of me. Most of my Shepards are Paragade, but took the Renegade option in the two endgame decisions. I don't need unique content, btw. I just want the reasoning for by decisions to be validated without assuming that I'm fanatically pro-human.

But, just as in ME2, in ME1 that could have resulted in an OOC moment, depending on who you took with you to the battle against Saren.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 août 2011 - 07:35 .

[MisterJB]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
What I'm saying is that through that time, Miri may have been having second thoughts on TIM's actions.

And wanting to keep the base may have crossed the line.

We are not discussing what led Miranda to resign. We are discussing her opinions regarding the Base. Why is it crossing a line?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

We are not discussing what led Miranda to resign. We are discussing her opinions regarding the Base. Why is it crossing a line?

Well...Perhaps this wasn't how she pictured the advancement of Humanity would go to move further. 

After seeing what happened in the base with her own eyes, plus other conflicts against the collectors, she knew that suddenly wanting to preserve the base as horrid as this was a a bad idea.

TIM started to become no different than those who went rogue. Again, it's just preference.

I'm sorry but it's just how I see it.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 01 août 2011 - 07:46 .

[Urthemiel Cousland]

For some reason I feel like Miranda might die in mass effect 3