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[Ghost]

Steelcan wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...
Would love allers as a squadmate.

And you wonder why people know you are a troll.

I can have an opinion too. you know?

Yes you can have an opinion, but trolling is not expressing an opinion, it's trolling

OH! My BAD! I meant Traynor!

. That's a bit more acceptable, but she's a lab rat not a soldier 

True but I really like Traynor! wish she would leave the ship for once!

[CrutchCricket]

krukow wrote...

You all overrate biotics.

Biotic Shepards would like a word with you. Also the N7 Fury, N7 Slayer, and the Phoenix guys.

[Ghost]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Can we stop with the arguments? Just, It feels like there's an arguement in here all the time.

I agree this is Kasuming out of hand. 

[Steelcan]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Can we stop with the arguments? Just, It feels like there's an arguement in here all the time.

. Where's the fun in that?

[Steelcan]

True but I really like Traynor! wish she would leave the ship for once!

[/quote]. That would be nice, I don't recall her ever being on the Citadel

[Ghost]

CrutchCricket wrote...

krukow wrote...

You all overrate biotics.

Biotic Shepards would like a word with you. Also the N7 Fury, N7 Slayer, and the Phoenix guys.

NOVA SPAM!

[krukow]

I'll stop arguing when they admit I'm right.

I already got the new one to admit I'm right. You know, the one that hasn't been indoctrinated with HEAD CANON yet...

Ash:Fighter
Miri:Planner/Organizer

And they're both awesome at it.

[CrutchCricket]

Ghost1017 wrote...

I agree this is Kasuming out of hand. 

Ghost- I find your lack of Kasumi avatar disturbing.

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

I'll stop arguing when they admit I'm right.

I already got the new one to admit I'm right. You know, the one that hasn't been indoctrinated with HEAD CANON yet...

Ash:Fighter
Miri:Planner/Organizer

And they're both awesome at it.

. I assume you are talking about me, correct?

[Steelcan]

Ghost1017 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

krukow wrote...

You all overrate biotics.

Biotic Shepards would like a word with you. Also the N7 Fury, N7 Slayer, and the Phoenix guys.

NOVA SPAM!

. Edit: charge then nova

[kaymarierose]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Can we stop with the arguments? Just, It feels like there's an arguement in here all the time.

I second that....

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

kaymarierose wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Can we stop with the arguments? Just, It feels like there's an arguement in here all the time.

I second that....

Third.

[Ghost]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

I agree this is Kasuming out of hand. 

Ghost- I find your lack of Kasumi avatar disturbing.

I'll be getting a new one soon. 

[Babi_Siha]

krukow wrote...

I'll stop arguing when they admit I'm right.

I already got the new one to admit I'm right. You know, the one that hasn't been indoctrinated with HEAD CANON yet...

Ash:Fighter
Miri:Planner/Organizer

And they're both awesome at it.

Miranda is also a fighter, you know. if you refute the arguments I made on the first post of this argument I'll admit you're right, how's that?

[Ghost]

[quote]Steelcan wrote...



True but I really like Traynor! wish she would leave the ship for once!

[/quote]. That would be nice, I don't recall her ever being on the Citadel
[/quote]

She doesn't leave and I hope she is in new DLC,

[Babi_Siha]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Can we stop with the arguments? Just, It feels like there's an arguement in here all the time.

Yes, there's argument, but that's what makes this thread interesting. People discuss things here, no one is really fighting.

[fiendishchicken]

krukow wrote...

I'll stop arguing when they admit I'm right.

I already got the new one to admit I'm right. You know, the one that hasn't been indoctrinated with HEAD CANON yet...

Ash:Fighter
Miri:Planner/Organizer

And they're both awesome at it.

But the thing is, you're not right.

Ashley is limited to really only one style of fighting.

Miranda has no limits on that. 

I give it to her, even without the biotics. Miranda would outsmart Ashley everytime.

She'd fight a lot more conservatively and has something Ashley doesn't: adaptability. It's more than just being a tactician or organizer. In a hand to hand fight, her background indicates she has a lot of training. I would say her talents are on par with say, Sarah Walker.

Ashley is more of a brute strength fighter. She fights a lot harder. Miranda fights a lot smarter. She's going to be a lot more nimble and agile. She uses her speed to her advantage. If Ashley is anything like a soldier today, she won't have that capability.

I'm pretty sure that on her own, Ashley could never have infiltrated Sanctuary while it was under Reaper attack and then survived a fight with Kai Leng.

*Edit* Read the last page. You're resorting to personal attacks against us now. Your argument has no basis if you haave to insult us now.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 31 août 2012 - 02:25 .

[Ghost]

fiendishchicken wrote...

krukow wrote...

I'll stop arguing when they admit I'm right.

I already got the new one to admit I'm right. You know, the one that hasn't been indoctrinated with HEAD CANON yet...

Ash:Fighter
Miri:Planner/Organizer

And they're both awesome at it.

But the thing is, you're not right.

Ashley is limited to really only one style of fighting.

Miranda has no limits on that. 

I give it to her, even without the biotics. Miranda would outsmart Ashley everytime.

She'd fight a lot more conservatively and has something Ashley doesn't: adaptability. It's more than just being a tactician or organizer. In a hand to hand fight, her background indicates she has a lot of training. I would say her talents are on par with say, Sarah Walker.

Ashley is more of a brute strength fighter. She fights a lot harder. Miranda fights a lot smarter. She's going to be a lot more nimble and agile. She uses her speed to her advantage. If Ashley is anything like a soldier today, she won't have that capability.

Miranda: Niket wouldn't sell me out.

Niket sells Miranda out.

[Steelcan]

Babi_Siha wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Can we stop with the arguments? Just, It feels like there's an arguement in here all the time.

Yes, there's argument, but that's what makes this thread interesting. People discuss things here, no one is really fighting.

Seconded, no argument or debate s boring

[Ghost]

Steelcan wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Can we stop with the arguments? Just, It feels like there's an arguement in here all the time.

Yes, there's argument, but that's what makes this thread interesting. People discuss things here, no one is really fighting.

Seconded, no argument or debate s boring

Lets talk about this!

http://t2.gstatic.co...1Qw0F7hcHQdPJjP

[dtrain24]

katcrave wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Would love allers as a squadmate.

And you wonder why people know you are a troll.

I can have an opinion too. you know?

What would Aller's special ability be? Horrify? Stuns enemies with ugly.

In that case, she could defeat Miranda and Ashley easily.

[Steelcan]

Ghost1017 wrote.....

Miranda: Niket wouldn't sell me out.

Niket sells Miranda out.

. And what happened to him?  He didn't retire and live to an old age

[Ghost]

Ghost1017 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Can we stop with the arguments? Just, It feels like there's an arguement in here all the time.

Yes, there's argument, but that's what makes this thread interesting. People discuss things here, no one is really fighting.

Seconded, no argument or debate s boring

Lets talk about this!

http://t2.gstatic.co...1Qw0F7hcHQdPJjP

The third best thread on BSN second being this one and the first being my beloved Kasumi.

[krukow]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Ashley is a Spectre because, as it was said before, she was there and Udina needed someone to watch his back during the coup, she herself is skeptical on why Udina chose her. The truth is, before meeting Shepard, she was nothing exceptional, she was a great soldier, but she never had special training, wasn't an N7 graduate, even brainless Vega was called to the program.

She didn't kill Sovereigh, she didn't even help, in fact no one from ME1 directly fought the Reaper, the 5th Fleet and other dreadnoughts, at tops she helped kill Saren. So Miranda, unlike Ash, actually did fight a Reaper. As for Wrex, anyone can kill a krogan warlord shooting him on the back, which was an incredbly coward attitude by the way.

Ashley only made something out of herself because she hitchhiked Shepard's accomplishments. Even if your argument is that her family was blacklisted, if she were that good of a soldier that wouldn't matter.

Ashley maybe tougher than Miranda, the latter is rather squishy actually, and is the better sniper, but on combat Miranda would play smart and would come out superior. On hand-to-hand combat, Ashley could win if Miranda didn't use her biotics, after all Ash is a tank, but using her biotics would give her quite the edge.

And Miranda was forced to be tough way before Ash joined the Alliance, she had to escape the bunch of armed security guards of her father, she couldn't do that unless her father had given her some kind of training, and Cerberus likely gave her an even more extensive field training as well.

I still like you though, krukow xD

Edit: I realized now I'm super late on the conversation, apologizes for that, I don't even know if the argument was finished or not.

1.  Ashley is a spectre because 4 council members agreed to make her one, not just Udina.  Also, after he's revealed and killed, they do not revoke her status (something they've been happy to do for political reasons in the past).  As for her not feeling deserving, that's a recurring character trait.  Her undervaluing herself.  It's consistent from ME1 (when she didn't think she deserved to be on the Normandy.  Shut up, she did!)

2.  The game disagrees with you about soverign.  "You spoke to one, then blew the damn thing up."  I know mirimancers are happy to headcanon whatever they want, but I usually restrict my headcanon to filling out what isn't shown.  If the game says Shepard killed Soverign, he did.  And Ashley was right there with him.

3.  You people want to condemn Ashley for shooting Wrex in the back, but then talk about how Miranda would win with stealth and strategy.  Pick one.  Miranda would be shooting from behind plenty if she did win.

4.  Yes it does.  This is a conversation from the first game.  Shep is suprised/astonished that Ashley hasn't advanced further, and the reason turns out to be her family name.  The game says point blank that Ashley should have advanced farther, but her name held her back.

5.  Ashely is better than Miranda with weapons.  She's better hand to hand.  And biotics are not that big of a deal (my shepard soldier rolls through asari commandos like paper).  Miranda has not trained like Ashely.  Remember when Miranda spent 2 years running a science project (lazarus)?  Ashley was a soldier that whold time, training and drilling.  Also, Ashley has spectre training.

6.  She ran away from her father, she didn't fight her way out guns blazing.  And Cerberus totally trained her, but not just in soldiering.  In the sciences.  In espionage.  In so many various fields.  She's a jack of all trades.  She's great.  But she's not the fighter Ashley is, not even close.   One on one, she wouldn't stand a chance.

There, your points refuted.

Also, sometimes I wonder if you all even understand your waifu.  When I said Ash would win one on one, why didn't any one of you reply "So?  Why would Miranda fight Ash one on one?  That's stupid.  She'd sabotage her (flying car, don't know the name)'s brakes 2 weeks before a fight happened."

Yet nobody did.  You all tried to turn her into Batman/Rambo/Bourne.  Batramourn Lawson.


interesting...

[krukow]

fiendishchicken wrote...

But the thing is, you're not right.

Ashley is limited to really only one style of fighting.

Miranda has no limits on that. 

I give it to her, even without the biotics. Miranda would outsmart Ashley everytime.

She'd fight a lot more conservatively and has something Ashley doesn't: adaptability. It's more than just being a tactician or organizer. In a hand to hand fight, her background indicates she has a lot of training. I would say her talents are on par with say, Sarah Walker.

Ashley is more of a brute strength fighter. She fights a lot harder. Miranda fights a lot smarter. She's going to be a lot more nimble and agile. She uses her speed to her advantage. If Ashley is anything like a soldier today, she won't have that capability.

I'm pretty sure that on her own, Ashley could never have infiltrated Sanctuary while it was under Reaper attack and then survived a fight with Kai Leng.

*Edit* Read the last page. You're resorting to personal attacks against us now. Your argument has no basis if you haave to insult us now.

I just bolded everything you assume about Miranda but cannot substantiate from the game.

And I love how you assume every possible limit to Ashley's skills.

HEAD CANON!  HEAD CANON FOR EVERYONE!  YOU SIR, OVER THERE, HAVE SOME HEAD CANON!

(head canon confetti falls everywhere over everyone).