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[Vertigo_1]

We know there will be scenarios whereby you might be forced to kill some squad-mates(past and/or present)...but the bigger focus (in ME3) is which races will survive the conflict?

About the 'Ashley vs Miranda' in ME3...most of my saves include Ashley alive in ME3...I wouldn't be surprised (considering I left her for Miranda) that there would be some snide comments made by her. There's also the likelyhood of conflict since they are on opposing sides (ex Cerberus vs Alliance).

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 01 août 2011 - 08:36 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Revan92 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote..
I would've expected someone with a Higher Rank becoming the next Human Spectre.

When you meet Kaiden on Horizon, he has become staff commander which outranks Shepard.....

Ah yes, forgot about that.. But now he'll be taking Miri's spot as XO, bah! <_<

Miri is the greatest XO in the Galaxy.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 01 août 2011 - 08:46 .

[KamikazeShepard]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

We know there will be scenarios whereby you might be forced to kill some squad-mates(past and/or present)...but the bigger focus (in ME3) is which races will survive the conflict?

About the 'Ashley vs Miranda' in ME3...most of my saves include Ashley alive in ME3...I wouldn't be surprised (considering I left her for Miranda) that there would be some snide comments made by her. There's also the likelyhood of conflict since they are on opposing sides (ex Cerberus vs Alliance).

I'd kill ashley without even having to think about it if it comes down to Ash vs Miri . And I'll be a jerk to her throughout ME3 if she makes snide comments towards Miri. Ain't no one coming between me and my girl! 

[jtav]

Miranda vs. Kaidan or Liara would be painful.

Do you think Miranda is the typo to be uncomfortable around the chronically ill/disabled? Shepard's being reimagined as someone who had bad side effects from eezo exposure until Cerberus got their hands on him.

[LuxDragon]

I don't think so.

The traitor, I mean, Niket was the kind that didn't have a lot of money and Miranda still befriended him. Going a few steps past that isn't far-fetched.

Besides, what about Joker? She treated him like he was still a productive member of the crew (Harshly, perhaps even unfairly, but she clearly thought him competent enough if it warrents a scolding), during the ambush.

[drwells123]

jtav wrote...
Do you think Miranda is the typo to be uncomfortable around the chronically ill/disabled? Shepard's being reimagined as someone who had bad side effects from eezo exposure until Cerberus got their hands on him.

I'm sure she'd be impatient, unhelpful, and generally just completely unsympathetic.

In reality, she'd probably fix whatever she could and tell him to deal with the rest through personal discipline (which would be her own approach). If he was mentally unstable, that would be harder. She'd try to approach his issues rationally (which would fail), then go do a ton of reading on psychology until she figured out how to deal with them.

[whywhywhywhy]

jtav wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

I think Miranda's character development was one of the ones that went really well. If Oriana showed up in ME3 I think she'd definitely embarrass the heck out of Miranda and expose her feelings for Shepard. I think Miranda fell for Shepard while he was on the table, well the ideal of Shepard that's why you have the initial friction. But yeah I think Oriana would try to get the two together regardless if he has a LI and that would cause the sisters to fuss at each other. Would be a funny couple of scenes.

No. Just no.  That would be pathetic. She seems to have developed feelings for him after he saved Oriana.

  I don't care about the Oriana thing given the LOTSB dossier I thought it would be a funny way to continue the relationship.  Miranda was all in her business being slightly intrusive and missing the point, Oriana disconnected her.  I can certainly imagine her turning the tables on Miranda and doing what I posted above regardless of how Miranda feels about it.  It would be funny to me and a way to show how clever Oriana is if she can prove to be a handful for Miranda to handle.  And the message she mails Shepard shows that she has that type of personality.  Introducing her in any other way could easily lead to a cliche.  But I can agree to disagree on it being pathetic. I however totally diagree with your observation on when Miranda fell for Shepard. 


In the opening scene before that she's singing your praises "Sheperd did everything right. (She list the major accomplishments) Humanity's place in the galaxy is stronger then ever."  We know strengthening humanty's position is a core goal of Cerebus, Miranda states she firmly believes in Cerberus's goals.  Furthermore she goes on to say "But Shepard. They'll follow him, he's a hero a bloody icon.  But he's just one man...if we lose Shepard humanity might well follow."  I think that outlines how highly she views him.  So if she thinks so much about him what's the reason for her hostile response at the base after the TIM meeting ?  Hold that thought as we move along.

She then spends the next two years not only rebuilding him but learning all about him (only way to test his cognitive functions hadn't been altered) that's a deep personal and emotional vestment in one person for a very long time.  Miranda developing feelings for him is natural and very commonly referred to as Nightingale Syndrome.  In the waking scene you don't think she was fondly looking upon Shepard ?  She didn't seem filled with pride at her work of rebuilding him at that moment.  She seemed to look upon him warmly this is contrasted by her expression when she snipes at wilson for his screw ups.  Miranda was looking at that hero on the table she was looking at her hero.

We know She has in her head an image of how she sees him because she says things when they talk that hint at this "I wish cerberus would have recruited you earlier." She assumes he's a part of or willing to join Cerberus why would she think that ? Maybe she just wished that, certainly goes on to try justifying it to him because of who he is. "You were great before Cerberus rebuilt you."  These aren't recently developed feeling we can gather that from her opening scene comments.

The control chip comment and I'm not looking for a friend comments seems to strictly stem from her being replaced after doing the impossible.  I think she was a bit Jealous and the player is given options to respond to her attitude (**** comment), call her out on the jealous and/or issues at being replaced as lead.  For someone who just accompished the impossible that's a heck of a Promotion demotion.

This is how I feel about it and the reasons why I don't think she flipped from ice queen to Shepard groupie.  She didn't warm up overnight she simply didn't have any idea how he would react to her and Cerberus and guarded herself and hid how she felt until she saw he was a ok guy. You point to the loyalty mission as the changing point If that's truet why does she ask him for help with Oriana ?  Surely she had contacts with others she's known and worked with longer, people who could've gone with her to resolve Oriana's dilema.  Heck she could've had a small army meet her there and had her contact escort Oriana somewhere else.

This is why I never looked at why she warmed up and or why she sides with Shepard, given her viewpoint Shepard truimphs Cerberus afterall "He's a bloody icon." 

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 01 août 2011 - 09:27 .

[LuxDragon]

^ There is also the part where she smiles down on Shepard when s/he wakes up for the first time. At there very least, there is some indication of attraction.

But she puts on hold until Oriana. Mission first and all that.



Credit to Ieldra2

Modifié par LuxDragon, 01 août 2011 - 10:25 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Like I have always said. It's like it was meant to be.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 01 août 2011 - 10:26 .

[whywhywhywhy]

LuxDragon wrote...

^ There is also the part where she smiles down on Shepard when s/he wakes up for the first time. At there very least, there is some indication of attraction.

But she puts on hold until Oriana. Mission first and all that.



Credit to Ieldra2

I absolutely agree that's what I meant when I talked about the Waking scene.

[Made Nightwing]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I don't know how either VS meet the qualifications for being a Spectre.<_<

One is a highly experienced, but very calm and quiet badass, with commendations for bravery and leadership.

The other is an eight year career NCO with equally badass credentials. Not a bad choice. Miri was a good XO, but looking forward to putting Ash/Kaidan in the XO's office, it just wasn't the Normandy without them and Liara.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Miri always has a Beautiful Smile. Her Beauty and her Mind are irresistible.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 01 août 2011 - 10:49 .

[jtav]

Well, if you want to use that look as evidence of attraction, she's also attracted to FemShep. She gets zero gender-specific dialogue until the debrief and you initiate it.

[The Elder King]

Made Nightwing wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I don't know how either VS meet the qualifications for being a Spectre.<_<

One is a highly experienced, but very calm and quiet badass, with commendations for bravery and leadership.

The other is an eight year career NCO with equally badass credentials. Not a bad choice. Miri was a good XO, but looking forward to putting Ash/Kaidan in the XO's office, it just wasn't the Normandy without them and Liara.

Normandy missed and will miss Wrex in my opinion. He's the best ME serie squadmate for me.
I agree that both Kaidan and Ashley could fill in the XO's office, though in my opinion Kaidan could be a better leader and officer than Ashley, and Miranda is better to lead than Ashley too (always in my opinion).
In truth, I don't like the fact that the VS became XO while they're Spectre. Spectres could work together, and one of them should be in charge of operations, but there isn't a chain of command. Other than the fact that Kaidan outranks Shepard in the Alliance ierarchy.

Modifié par hhh89, 01 août 2011 - 11:01 .

[LuxDragon]

It could be out of respect for F!Shep's ability to wake up despite being doped to the gills. A smile is a smile, but the contex is different. I smile at a guy, it means I'm friendly 'what's up' kinda way. I smile at a girl, it's: 'Hi, how are you doing?'.

[TheMarshal]

LuxDragon wrote...

^ There is also the part where she smiles down on Shepard when s/he wakes up for the first time. At there very least, there is some indication of attraction.

But she puts on hold until Oriana. Mission first and all that.

*snip*

Credit to Ieldra2

That's...  a bit of a stretch to consider that attraction.  Shepard had just woken up far earlier than expected, Wilson was too busy being amazed to act - which could have gotten Shepard killed again - and only after a double dose of sedatives does Shepard go down.  That's certainly not a smile.  That might be a look of concern or maybe (and that's a big maybe) tenderness, but attraction?  I'd lose a fair amount of respect for her if the thoughts running through her mind at that point were anything to the effect of "ooh, he's purdy!"

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Made Nightwing wrote...


One is a highly experienced, but very calm and quiet badass, with commendations for bravery and leadership.

The other is an eight year career NCO with equally badass credentials. Not a bad choice. Miri was a good XO, but looking forward to putting Ash/Kaidan in the XO's office, it just wasn't the Normandy without them and Liara.

I beg to differ. I played ME2 first. So when i played me1, the Normandy wasn't the Same without Miri....and others. I had no I repeat no relationships in me1.

I felt uneasy due to the fact that Miri wasn't there. I looked out the windows of The Citadel and wondered where she was and what she was doing.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 01 août 2011 - 11:08 .

[MisterJB]

TheMarshal wrote...
 I'd lose a fair amount of respect for her if the thoughts running through her mind at that point were anything to the effect of "ooh, he's purdy!"

Glad to see I'm not alone on this.

[The Elder King]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...


One is a highly experienced, but very calm and quiet badass, with commendations for bravery and leadership.

The other is an eight year career NCO with equally badass credentials. Not a bad choice. Miri was a good XO, but looking forward to putting Ash/Kaidan in the XO's office, it just wasn't the Normandy without them and Liara.

I beg to differ. I played ME2 first so when i played me1, the Normandy wasn't the Same without Miri....and others.

I felt uneasy due to the fact that Miri wasn't there. I looked out the windows of The Citadel and wondered where she was and what she was doing.

I think it's natural. If you played first ME you'll miss something in ME2 (I missed Wrex and Kaidan on the Normandy). It depends on what characters you like. As you played ME2 first, and loved Miranda (and liked other squadmates), it's obvious that you missed them in ME.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^ Yeah this.

[The Elder King]

MisterJB wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
 I'd lose a fair amount of respect for her if the thoughts running through her mind at that point were anything to the effect of "ooh, he's purdy!"

Glad to see I'm not alone on this.

Sorry, what purdy means?

[drwells123]

TheMarshal wrote...
That's...  a bit of a stretch to consider that attraction.  Shepard had just woken up far earlier than expected, Wilson was too busy being amazed to act - which could have gotten Shepard killed again - and only after a double dose of sedatives does Shepard go down.  That's certainly not a smile.  That might be a look of concern or maybe (and that's a big maybe) tenderness, but attraction?  I'd lose a fair amount of respect for her if the thoughts running through her mind at that point were anything to the effect of "ooh, he's purdy!"

Also, the shape of her mouth kinda suggests a smile to me, even when the context implies she isn't smiling.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

hhh89 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
 I'd lose a fair amount of respect for her if the thoughts running through her mind at that point were anything to the effect of "ooh, he's purdy!"

Glad to see I'm not alone on this.

Sorry, what purdy means?

Pretty 

[The Elder King]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Pretty 

Thanks. Anyway, I don't know what she was thinking in that scene. We should remember that his/her face probably had even more scars than when he/she woke up. I don't know how good he could look at the moment.
Could be easier to know if they decided to use two different scene there for maleshep and femshep.