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[Jebel Krong]

jreezy wrote...

Spectre>Cerberus aka VS>Miranda as an XO

what's "cerberus aka VS"? VS wasn't in Cerberus? tbh i doubt we'll get to pick XO, i also doubt it'll be a squad-mate realistically it actually needs to be a crew-member that would never leave the ship when the cpatian (Shepard) does.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 02 août 2011 - 08:43 .

[Arijharn]

LuxDragon wrote...
Bwahahahaha!!! I'd really like to see them try, I really, really would!

Heh, well... I can say that I'd be less inclined to shoot Spectre Virmire Survivor who is just doing their job than I would with any other Spectre just doing their job... I seem to have had a bad sort of relationship with all the other Spectre's I've run into, since you know, they've suffered a nasty case of death at my hands.

And 'arrest' in the sense that neither your Shephard nor the VS would necessarily want unnnecessary bloodshed, but you know that engaging in a protracted firefight isn't going to solve any underlying issues.

[Arijharn]

Made Nightwing wrote...

You want to see Shepard brought down by a co-ordinated and effective plan involving a few thousand stun darts? If Bioware is writing it that the VS brings Shepard in for trial, no amount of evil laughter is gonna stop Ash from getting her man

There's that nasty angle that TPTB could work too, I mean, the SR-1 was a small ship, I'm sure they've heard rumours (or people outright told them) that Shephard and the VS were at some point romantically involved.

[Jebel Krong]

jreezy wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Spectre>Cerberus aka VS>Miranda as an XO

what's "cerberus aka VS"? VS wasn't in Cerberus? tbh i doubt we'll get to pick XO, i also doubt it'll be a squad-mate realistically it actually needs to be a crew-member that would never leave the ship when the cpatian (Shepard) does.

Where in my post does it say that? If you didn't leave out the Spectre>Cerberus part than it would have probably made more sense. <_<

should be self-evident from what i've quoted, which is exactly why i questioned it... 

[Jebel Krong]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

We know there will be scenarios whereby you might be forced to kill some squad-mates(past and/or present)...but the bigger focus (in ME3) is which races will survive the conflict?

deciding the possible fates of entire species - now that's a burden to surpass either previous game. rich storytelling and drama right there, even before you get to characters. the fact that you can add to characters that you know/survived the SM means that people who did bring everyone home will be rewarded with even more drama with sais decisions at it has a more personal effect.

@jreezy. a spectre as an xo? unlikely (as a bit of a come-down) - i still think a non-party crew-member, probably alliance.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 02 août 2011 - 09:35 .

[Ieldra]

Arijharn wrote...

NovinhaShepard wrote...
It's hard to tell, especially in the beginning, when Miranda stops thinking about Shepard as 'her project', and starts thinking about Shepard as a human, a person. I love her loyalty mission for so many reasons. Besides seeing Miranda's vulnerable side when it comes to her sister, you also get to see Miranda's respect and gratitude for Shepard grow into a sort of affection.

Presumably at the times where Shephard does something of the following:
a) Suitably heroic
Saves her from certain death, whether it's because he made a lucky save via headshot that was otherwise gunning for Miranda or whatever
c) His innate sense of unassailable confidence. I don't think I've met a single woman who wasn't attracted to a guy who was confident, and if anybody exudes confidence, I think it's safe to say that the first human Spectre has that in spades.
and optional
d) A little bit of a cheeky smartass. Like when Leia tells Han Solo: "I love you!" to which he replies: "I know." He doesn't say: "I love you tooOOoooOOO!", he sorta puts her off balance more than anything else, but he isn't rude, he just likes to poke fun at things... like her.

Agreed with all of these. I might add: Shepard challenges her. And Miranda likes a challenge. As I see it, their relationship will, at times, have elements of a competition. 

[Jebel Krong]

Made Nightwing wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I don't know how either VS meet the qualifications for being a Spectre.<_<

One is a highly experienced, but very calm and quiet badass, with commendations for bravery and leadership.

The other is an eight year career NCO with equally badass credentials. Not a bad choice. Miri was a good XO, but looking forward to putting Ash/Kaidan in the XO's office, it just wasn't the Normandy without them and Liara.

it wasn't normandy because it wasn't alliance, but ash/kaiden were hardly the best (or most badass) people in mass effect - that would be wrex.

[Ieldra]

LuxDragon wrote...

Arijharn wrote...
Speaking of bringing in, I hope we actually get to see that all happen prior to the trial on Earth. I want them to actually arrest my Shephard, not just cutting to it.

Bwahahahaha!!! I'd really like to see them try, I really, really would!

Heh. I Imagine my Renegon Louise Shepard:

Guard: You'll have to relinquish your weapons. Ma'am.
Shepard: I'll relinquish one bullet. Where do you want it?

[Ieldra]

jreezy wrote...
Hmm. I guess. Well what my post was trying to get across is that I think Spectres are better than Cerberus, therefore Ashley/Kaidan is better suited to being Shepard's XO more than Miranda.

That does not follow. I think Kaidan has the skills to be a good XO, but Ashley has not. Miranda is an excellent XO with her mix of tactical and administrative skills, but I think she'd have more impact as the Normandy's science officer. And her skills at espionage and covert operations are completely wasted on the Normandy. Too bad, that. I would love an infiltration mission where we play Miranda alone.

[Jebel Krong]

jreezy wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

We know there will be scenarios whereby you might be forced to kill some squad-mates(past and/or present)...but the bigger focus (in ME3) is which races will survive the conflict?

deciding the possible fates of entire species - now that's a burden to surpass either previous game. rich storytelling and drama right there, even before you get to characters. the fact that you can add to characters that you know/survived the SM means that people who did bring everyone home will be rewarded with even more drama with sais decisions at it has a more personal effect.

@jreezy. a spectre as an xo? unlikely (as a bit of a come-down) - i still think a non-party crew-member, probably alliance.

Not trying to argue or anything but why is it so unlikely to have Ashley/Kaidan as an XO?

1. you haven't had the choice of XO in either game - unlikely to get it now.
2. it's illogical anyway - like in star trek either the captain or XO should be on the ship at all times - VS could be party-member.
3. the biggest reason: BW have already said the no squaddie will be permanent, so that includes the VS which actually disqualifies any ME1/ME2 party member from being XO outright.

[Arijharn]

It doesn't work if the VS just happens to be Kaidan as well, since Kaidan is not only a Spectre as well, but he also outranks you, so if anything you'd be his xo and not the other way around.

[Jebel Krong]

jreezy wrote...

While your number 3 is easy to agree with I have no idea where you got the idea that I wanted the option of choosing my XO so number 1 is irrelevant. Regarding number 2 I have one thing to say: Miranda.

it was brought up in the thread, which is why i mentioned it in with my reasoning. reagrding number 2 i agree, but then you didn't get the choice in XO, besides special circumstances applied: cerberus (at least initially more) controlling the ship/mission, even if you were nominally in charge. (and Miranda had a fall-back that was EDI if she died on-mission, not perfect but a contingency anyway).

[Made Nightwing]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I don't know how either VS meet the qualifications for being a Spectre.<_<

One is a highly experienced, but very calm and quiet badass, with commendations for bravery and leadership.

The other is an eight year career NCO with equally badass credentials. Not a bad choice. Miri was a good XO, but looking forward to putting Ash/Kaidan in the XO's office, it just wasn't the Normandy without them and Liara.

it wasn't normandy because it wasn't alliance, but ash/kaiden were hardly the best (or most badass) people in mass effect - that would be wrex.

Not in Mass Effect, no (Mordin, Legion and Wrex have to share that title), but certainly some of the most badass in the Alliance. Consider for a second, Kaidan was personally recruited by Anderson to serve as the Normandy's Marine Detatchment Commander.

Ashley was also recrutied by Anderson. I like to think that he saw the same spark of leadership, courage and initiative in her that he saw in Shepard. Why else would he drag another bootneck along for the ride?

Regardless, this topic is about Miri. What I want is some badass missions with her (if she's not permanent), and hopefully a badass ending where she takes over Cerberus (provided she's not romancing Shepard)

[Jebel Krong]

Arijharn wrote...

It doesn't work if the VS just happens to be Kaidan as well, since Kaidan is not only a Spectre as well, but he also outranks you, so if anything you'd be his xo and not the other way around.

why does everyone keep saying kaiden outranks shepard?

he's a LT-Commander as far as i know, which is below shep's original allianc rank, Shepard also is not even in the alliance after becoming a Spectre in ME1 (despite the game forcing you to continue to take orders from the admiralty), and never returns, so Kaiden can't outrank someone not in the organisation anyway, and lastly: if he is a spectre, then he should also be non-aligned except with the council (spectre status superceding alliance). Shepard would then, assuming normal convention, have seniority having been a Spectre longer, anyway.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 02 août 2011 - 10:22 .

[Made Nightwing]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

It doesn't work if the VS just happens to be Kaidan as well, since Kaidan is not only a Spectre as well, but he also outranks you, so if anything you'd be his xo and not the other way around.

why does everyone keep saying kaiden outranks shepard?

he's a LT-Commander as far as i know, which is below shep's original allianc rank, Shepard also is not even in the alliance after becoming a Spectre in ME1 (despite the game forcing you to continue to take orders from the admiralty), and never returns, so Kaiden can't outrank someone not in the organisation anyway, and lastly: if he is a spectre, then he should also be non-aligned except with the council (spectre status superceding alliance). Shepard would then, assuming normal convention, have seniority having been a Spectre longer, anyway.

Staff Commander, one rank above Shepard. Shepard is reinstated in the Alliance by Anderson when he escapes from Earth at the start of ME3 (extended demo floating around the place somewhere). Regardless, Kaidan is smart enough to know that Shepard's got the best idea of how to go about stopping the Reapers.

Although, people who think that the Alliance are dumb enough to keep EDI unshackled, and so Shepard laughs at all the ALLIANCE crewmembers and takes the ship wherever he wants...well, they just make me go

[Jebel Krong]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

It doesn't work if the VS just happens to be Kaidan as well, since Kaidan is not only a Spectre as well, but he also outranks you, so if anything you'd be his xo and not the other way around.

why does everyone keep saying kaiden outranks shepard?

he's a LT-Commander as far as i know, which is below shep's original allianc rank, Shepard also is not even in the alliance after becoming a Spectre in ME1 (despite the game forcing you to continue to take orders from the admiralty), and never returns, so Kaiden can't outrank someone not in the organisation anyway, and lastly: if he is a spectre, then he should also be non-aligned except with the council (spectre status superceding alliance). Shepard would then, assuming normal convention, have seniority having been a Spectre longer, anyway.

Staff Commander, one rank above Shepard. Shepard is reinstated in the Alliance by Anderson when he escapes from Earth at the start of ME3 (extended demo floating around the place somewhere). Regardless, Kaidan is smart enough to know that Shepard's got the best idea of how to go about stopping the Reapers.

Although, people who think that the Alliance are dumb enough to keep EDI unshackled, and so Shepard laughs at all the ALLIANCE crewmembers and takes the ship wherever he wants...well, they just make me go

er, yeah he might be 're-instated' to the alliance, but that just means formal connection to said organisation, not that he suddenly becomes subject to command structure (and also whether that automatically means promotion) - other factors - like spectre status - would still supercede that, as would being "captain" of own ship. all it means is that if ID requested by alliance, he will be officially (re-)recognised rather than whatever post-ME2 status (cerberus affiliated etc).

also isn't staff below full-commander? i think it depends on the military in question...

[Made Nightwing]

In the Alliance military, Staff Command IS full commander.

[Made Nightwing]

jreezy wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

In the Alliance military, Staff Command IS full commander.

So doesn't that mean Shepard and Kaidan are of the same military rank now?

Shepard is only ever called 'Commander'. This could be a diminutive of either 'Lieutenant Commander' or 'Staff Commander'. There is no 'Commander'