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[Ieldra]

Steelcan wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Well it's kind of...blown up in ME3. And there are going to be some issues with travel as I'm sure you're aware.

Shepard isn't going anywhere for a few months either. Those wounds aren't going to be healed overnight. There's a picture of Miranda in a nurse costume somewhere...Ventus has it I think.

The name that keeps getting tossed around is Phoenix. I'm terrible with names and I'll stick with the rather blunt mythological meaning.

. Phoenix?

The prospective name of the future STG-like group. "The Phoenix Group" appears like it could work. In my imagined future it would be a scientific think tank and engineering consultant lead by Miranda on the surface, with a little more clandestine activities happening on the side.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 septembre 2012 - 04:35 .

[Taboo]

^ Pretty much. Although there would be some changes from Cerberus. No one will tolerate something exactly the same post war. It has to be more public than Cerberus was. But it would be doing "other" things on the side.

Shepard would be better with people though. Miranda would be better with the planning as you pretty much state.

A good team.

[o Ventus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

^ Pretty much. Although there would be some changes from Cerberus. No one will tolerate something exactly the same post war. It has to be more public than Cerberus was. But it would be doing "other" things on the side.

Shepard would be better with people though. Miranda would be better with the planning as you pretty much state.

A good team.

If the organization were to be comprised of multiple divisions, I think Miranda would lead the scientific division while Shepard handled the military.

Also, Jacob and Randall Ezno.

Also (also), if you saved Inali in Infiltrator, they could study some of the husk technology and refine it to make newer and better equipment for their soldiers.

Modifié par o Ventus, 01 septembre 2012 - 04:42 .

[Taboo]

o Ventus wrote...

If the organization were to be comprised of multiple divisions, I think Miranda would lead the scientific division while Shepard handled the military.

Also, Jacob and Randall Ezno.

Also (also), if you saved Inali in Infiltrator, they could study some of the husk technology and refine it to make newer and better equipment for their soldiers.

You took the words right out of my mouth. I had expressed interest in multiple divisions to allow it to be a bit more public.

I haven't played Infiltrator yet. I have it on my phone. It's good then?

Anyone else? You've already brought Jacob in.

[o Ventus]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

I could also see Nemesis, even though Cerberus has enemies named that.

Cerberus also has the Project Phoenix troopers. Either way, it's redundant.

In terms of mythology-based names, I'm rather partial to Pangu.

[Taboo]

o Ventus wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

I could also see Nemesis, even though Cerberus has enemies named that.

Cerberus also has the Project Phoenix troopers. Either way, it's redundant.

In terms of mythology-based names, I'm rather partial to Pangu.

Ah yes the egg man.

Fun.

[o Ventus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I haven't played Infiltrator yet. I have it on my phone. It's good then?

No. It's crap. and that isn't just me being bitter. The iPhone has never, EVER been good for shooters, especially cover-based TPS's.

Anyone else? You've already brought Jacob in.

Brynn, Randall, Gavin Archer (if you let him live, he gives the vibe that he genuinely wants to redeem himself). Grace Sato could also join as a comms tech. I'm sure some of the Normandy's crew would want to join as well. I can't imagine Joker being anyone's pilot other than Shepard.

[Taboo]

Randall seems to have been well received though. The game not so much I guess.

I'd like Traynor there as well as Joker and Steve for a shuttle pilot. I'd let Archer in because I feel he needs some redemption.

I'd think a lot of Ex-Cerberus would come to be honest. An organization that has similar ideals without the Indoctrinated presence at the helm.

[krukow]

Joker is alliance Taboo. He, like shep, only joined cerberus for convienance.

I guess he'd follow if Shep was leading phoenix though.

I should think my posts out before I write them.

EDIT: would you all absorb surviving cerberus troops into phoenix?

Modifié par krukow, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:01 .

[Taboo]

I don't think the Cerberus troops are "there" anymore. Look at the logs. The process is rather grim...

They may not survive the Destroy wave either. I would think that most died when Shepard assaulted Cronos.

Miranda knows more about this than Shepard does. I'm sure there are more Ex-Cerberus people who would get involved and Miranda would be able to judge their trust worthiness.

It's a joint decision.

[fiendishchicken]

krukow wrote...

Joker is alliance Taboo. He, like shep, only joined cerberus for convienance.

I guess he'd follow if Shep was leading phoenix though.

I should think my posts out before I write them.

EDIT: would you all absorb surviving cerberus troops into phoenix?

Shepard never fully joined Cerberus, but when Miranda asked him what he'd do afterwards, he said he considered staying there. Joker was a Cerberus employee and he seemed to like it. Uptight and no fun, but at least they let him fly. And Joker is just as bitter at the alliance for what they did to him and Shepard as Shepard is. 

Shepard hates, despises, loathes the alliance. 

TIM is (I can't believe I'm using an HP reference) like Snape. Shepard never liked or trusted him but in the end realized what was really going on and that he was one of the strongest men he ever knew. And he had a great vision for a better humanity. It got lost in translation though because of indoctrination.

[o Ventus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't think the Cerberus troops are "there" anymore. Look at the logs. The process is rather grim...

They may not survive the Destroy wave either. I would think that most died when Shepard assaulted Cronos.

Miranda knows more about this than Shepard does. I'm sure there are more Ex-Cerberus people who would get involved and Miranda would be able to judge their trust worthiness.

It's a joint decision.

Miranda knows more about what? The Reaper tech embedded into the trooper's skulls?

Why would she know about that? Why would she know more than Shepard? It isn't like she took part in any of the experiments, nor is it ever implied that she knew about it.

Modifié par o Ventus, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:11 .

[jtav]

For a putative new Cerberus?

Miranda, (TIW) Brynn Cole, Jacob, Gellix scientists bar Archer, Petrovsky, Traynor, Ann Bryson. That's a good core.

[fiendishchicken]

o Ventus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't think the Cerberus troops are "there" anymore. Look at the logs. The process is rather grim...

They may not survive the Destroy wave either. I would think that most died when Shepard assaulted Cronos.

Miranda knows more about this than Shepard does. I'm sure there are more Ex-Cerberus people who would get involved and Miranda would be able to judge their trust worthiness.

It's a joint decision.

Miranda knows more about what? The Reaper tech embedded into the trooper's skulls?

Why would she know about that? Why would she know more than Shepard? It isn't like she took part in any of the experiments, nor is it ever implied that she knew about it.

I think he means Miranda would know more about Cerberus defectors, plans, etc.

[Taboo]

o Ventus wrote...

Miranda knows more about what? The Reaper tech embedded into the trooper's skulls?

Why would she know about that? Why would she know more than Shepard? It isn't like she took part in any of the experiments, nor is it ever implied that she knew about it.

I need to be more specific.

She knows more about past Cerberus dealings. She knows about past employees. She knows who's trustworthy and who isn't. But this time her partner can help make joint decisions. Shepard and Miranda balance one another out.

She would be appalled at how TIM was controlling people.

[o Ventus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Miranda knows more about what? The Reaper tech embedded into the trooper's skulls?

Why would she know about that? Why would she know more than Shepard? It isn't like she took part in any of the experiments, nor is it ever implied that she knew about it.

I need to be more specific.

She knows more about past Cerberus dealings. She knows about past employees. She knows who's trustworthy and who isn't. But this time her partner can help make joint decisions. Shepard and Miranda balance one another out.

She would be appalled at how TIM was controlling people.

Oh. That makes more sense.

[Taboo]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Would she?

I mean, there was one point where she wanted to implant Shepard with a control chip, and TIM wouldn't have it. I know her views on it do a 180, but it's still another contradiction of the ME2-ME3 interwoven storyline...

She considered it and then felt bad about it. TIM stopped her.

She confronts her own hypocrisy in the apartment.

It shows that sometimes pragmatism is not always right. Sometimes we enact things because of our own fears.

And we shouldn't let fear compromise who we are.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:26 .

[krukow]

Plus, she's somewhat grown since the begining of ME2. I know back then she was fine with the idea of mindless shock troops, whereas I don't think she's fine with it now. I definitely don't think she'd be fine with using the cerberus troops (Tangent, I think the synthesis EC needed to show us what they did with all the now sentient husks, I cannot imagine a worse form of hell).

So yeah, I don't personally think she'd be okay with it, though I'm also quite aware my understanding of her character differs greatly from other people's. Hence why I asked

[o Ventus]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Miranda knows more about what? The Reaper tech embedded into the trooper's skulls?

Why would she know about that? Why would she know more than Shepard? It isn't like she took part in any of the experiments, nor is it ever implied that she knew about it.

I need to be more specific.

She knows more about past Cerberus dealings. She knows about past employees. She knows who's trustworthy and who isn't. But this time her partner can help make joint decisions. Shepard and Miranda balance one another out.

She would be appalled at how TIM was controlling people.

Would she?

I mean, there was one point where she wanted to implant Shepard with a control chip, and TIM wouldn't have it. I know her views on it do a 180, but it's still another contradiction of the ME2-ME3 interwoven storyline...

Miranda herself points out the hypocrisy in her decision. The implication from the control chip scene is that Miranda understands that her wanting to strip Shepard's free will was wrong, and that she was wrong for wanting it. The inference to be taken form the scene afterwards is that she has "changed", in that sense.

What's the problem?

[Taboo]

o Ventus wrote...

Miranda herself points out the hypocrisy in her decision. The implication from the control chip scene is that Miranda understands that her wanting to strip Shepard's free will was wrong, and that she was wrong for wanting it. The inference to be taken form the scene afterwards is that she has "changed", in that sense.

What's the problem?

Whoa there. Those be fighting words. 

But I agree with you. It's a realization that her ideals may not be as flawless as she once thought they were.