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[krukow]

Were they traveling for decades to centuries, or even a millenia? The speed they left is the speed they'll return. It will take the same amount of time. And they weren't traveling that long. A couple hours at most.
Gilligan's planet is a plot-hole.

Or are you trying to make some sort of "space is curved" arguement. If you are, please elaborate.

[David7204]

No, they're not traveling by conventional FTL. Only minutes passed between the Crucible activating and the beam hitting the Normandy, if that. The Normandy couldn't get to that planet that quickly without using the mass relays.

[Mavqt]

Isn't relay travel instantaneous?

Swear I read that somewhere.

Modifié par mavqt, 01 septembre 2012 - 09:57 .

[wright1978]

krukow wrote...

Were they traveling for decades to centuries, or even a millenia? The speed they left is the speed they'll return. It will take the same amount of time. And they weren't traveling that long. A couple hours at most.
Gilligan's planet is a plot-hole.

Or are you trying to make some sort of "space is curved" arguement. If you are, please elaborate.

What i'm suggesting is that a beam of energy of such power that it damages every mass relay might have unforseen consequences on ships travelling by FTL. I reason that the only reason the rest of the fleet didn't get flung across the galaxy is because they got out of FTL to the rendez-vous point before the beam could hit them.

[krukow]

David7204 wrote...

No, they're not traveling by conventional FTL. Only minutes passed between the Crucible activating and the beam hitting the Normandy, if that. The Normandy couldn't get to that planet that quickly without using the mass relays.

The planet is a plot hole.

The EC shows them using FTL.  I've explained this and given evidence.

[o Ventus]

krukow wrote...

Were they traveling for decades to centuries, or even a millenia? The speed they left is the speed they'll return. It will take the same amount of time. And they weren't traveling that long. A couple hours at most.
Gilligan's planet is a plot-hole.

Or are you trying to make some sort of "space is curved" arguement. If you are, please elaborate.

Unless they were travelling TOWARDS Planet Stranded when the relay bubble ate them, they will most certainly not take the same amount of time to return. On the 2nd trip, they don't have an exploding relay about to consume them and drop them of somewhere else.

[o Ventus]

mavqt wrote...

Isn't relay travel instantaneous?

Swear I read that somewhere.

The codex states this, yes.

Though it's probably not really instantaneous, just nearly so. 

Modifié par o Ventus, 01 septembre 2012 - 10:14 .

[krukow]

o Ventus wrote...

krukow wrote...

Were they traveling for decades to centuries, or even a millenia? The speed they left is the speed they'll return. It will take the same amount of time. And they weren't traveling that long. A couple hours at most.
Gilligan's planet is a plot-hole.

Or are you trying to make some sort of "space is curved" arguement. If you are, please elaborate.

Unless they were travelling TOWARDS Planet Stranded when the relay bubble ate them, they will most certainly not take the same amount of time to return. On the 2nd trip, they don't have an exploding relay about to consume them and drop them of somewhere else.

So are you saying the exploding bubble sped them up?

Also, if it knocked them off course, the return trip should be faster because it should be a straight line.  They were running one way, the bubble knocked them a second way, they return a third way.
It's like a triangle. 

And since the return trip is a straight line, travelled at the same speed, it will be a faster trip.
Even if they take the same path, they're traveling at the same speed, so it's the same amount of time.

[Taboo]

Ieldra2 wrote...


DO. NOT. MISREPRESENT. ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's been getting on my nerves for several weeks now. You leave no opportunity to put statements in my mouth I have never made.

I do NOT agree. Shepard's sacrifice in Synthesis, that is bullsh*t. Nothing more.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT! LOUD NOISES!

You put words in my mouth too. You did it yesterday. Do you remember Orson?

Synthesis is not activated upon a scientific principle. It's Vitalism. It's absurd. You made the statement yourself. You told me it wasn't science and that someone needed to be kicked for it.

I have the quote. Page 187 of your Synthesis thread.

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Taboo:
As I said, it is most emphatically not science fiction. I like Synthesis, but I herewith give the one who came up with the in-world "justification" for Shepard's sacrifice a virtual kick in his actual ass. Probably Walters. The man has written too many comics.

 

We're talking about the same thing. Shepard's sacrifice is necessary to activate it. His "soul energy" is what does it.

It's audibly laughable.

[David7204]

krukow wrote...

David7204 wrote...

No, they're not traveling by conventional FTL. Only minutes passed between the Crucible activating and the beam hitting the Normandy, if that. The Normandy couldn't get to that planet that quickly without using the mass relays.

The planet is a plot hole.

The EC shows them using FTL.  I've explained this and given evidence.

Your 'evidence' is crap and your explanation is shoddy. I'm not buying your certainty that they using conventional FTL based on the shape of the 'bubble' the ship was in.

[krukow]

wright1978 wrote...

krukow wrote...

Were they traveling for decades to centuries, or even a millenia? The speed they left is the speed they'll return. It will take the same amount of time. And they weren't traveling that long. A couple hours at most.
Gilligan's planet is a plot-hole.

Or are you trying to make some sort of "space is curved" arguement. If you are, please elaborate.

What i'm suggesting is that a beam of energy of such power that it damages every mass relay might have unforseen consequences on ships travelling by FTL. I reason that the only reason the rest of the fleet didn't get flung across the galaxy is because they got out of FTL to the rendez-vous point before the beam could hit them.

...the beam destroys synthetic life, it doesn't make ships travel great distances in small time periods.

[wright1978]

krukow wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

krukow wrote...

Were they traveling for decades to centuries, or even a millenia? The speed they left is the speed they'll return. It will take the same amount of time. And they weren't traveling that long. A couple hours at most.
Gilligan's planet is a plot-hole.

Or are you trying to make some sort of "space is curved" arguement. If you are, please elaborate.

What i'm suggesting is that a beam of energy of such power that it damages every mass relay might have unforseen consequences on ships travelling by FTL. I reason that the only reason the rest of the fleet didn't get flung across the galaxy is because they got out of FTL to the rendez-vous point before the beam could hit them.

...the beam destroys synthetic life, it doesn't make ships travel great distances in small time periods.

The beam also damages mass relays. I'm sure it also has other unexpected side effects, beyond its main purpose.

[o Ventus]

krukow wrote...

So are you saying the exploding bubble sped them up?

Also, if it knocked them off course, the return trip should be faster because it should be a straight line.  They were running one way, the bubble knocked them a second way, they return a third way.
It's like a triangle. 

And since the return trip is a straight line, travelled at the same speed, it will be a faster trip.
Even if they take the same path, they're traveling at the same speed, so it's the same amount of time.

No, I'm saying the exploding bubble took them somewhere different entirely. It most certainly isn't their destination, or there would be more ships in the area. How close or far away that place is, I don't know.

[krukow]

wright1978 wrote...
The beam also damages mass relays. I'm sure it also has other unexpected side effects, beyond its main purpose.

The beam damanges mass relays and thus functions as one?
Sure, why not.  I bet it makes smores for everyone on Thessia while it's at it.  Why can't it!  Unintended consequences for everyone!

...

Are you people trolling me now?  Is this revenge for all those "Ash is better posts"?

[o Ventus]

krukow wrote...

...the beam destroys synthetic life, it doesn't make ships travel great distances in small time periods.

The beam also takes control of the Reapers and synthesizes all life in the galaxy. It's already able to do something that's scientifically impossible, why not make it two for two?

[hot_heart]

It's actually a Mass Effect 4 Relay. Kicks the Normandy crew into an undiscovered and faraway galaxy for new adventures!

You play as Liara.

[David7204]

o Ventus wrote...

krukow wrote...

...the beam destroys synthetic life, it doesn't make ships travel great distances in small time periods.

The beam also takes control of the Reapers and synthesizes all life in the galaxy. It's already able to do something that's scientifically impossible, why not make it two for two?

No matter what a story does, you don't get to pick and choose which bits of science you want to follow and which bits you don't when you make arguments like this.

[krukow]

o Ventus wrote...

krukow wrote...

So are you saying the exploding bubble sped them up?

Also, if it knocked them off course, the return trip should be faster because it should be a straight line.  They were running one way, the bubble knocked them a second way, they return a third way.
It's like a triangle. 

And since the return trip is a straight line, travelled at the same speed, it will be a faster trip.
Even if they take the same path, they're traveling at the same speed, so it's the same amount of time.

No, I'm saying the exploding bubble took them somewhere different entirely. It most certainly isn't their destination, or there would be more ships in the area. How close or far away that place is, I don't know.

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okay, this is simple math O Ventus.

Time travelled = Distance divided by velocity.

The distance between Gillian's planet isn't going to change drastically.  The velocity is the same (FTL) unless there's a real reason to believe otherwise(if you have one, I'll gladly hear it out).

Since the two variables on the right of the equation have not changed, the time travelled will not change.  However long it took them to get there is how long it will take them to get back.

Unless the beam knocked them off course, in which case they will take a straight path back, shortening the distance, and shorting the travel time.  Their path there and back would form a triangle.

So unless you want to make a space is curved argument (which I'm willling to listen to), or argue that the energy bubble warped time (ditto), the return trip will not take that long, because they were only travelling for a couple of hours at best.

[wright1978]

krukow wrote...

wright1978 wrote...
The beam also damages mass relays. I'm sure it also has other unexpected side effects, beyond its main purpose.

The beam damanges mass relays and thus functions as one?
Sure, why not.  I bet it makes smores for everyone on Thessia while it's at it.  Why can't it!  Unintended consequences for everyone!

...

Are you people trolling me now?  Is this revenge for all those "Ash is better posts"?

i am in no way trolling you. I'd prefer my crew have rendez voused with the fleet as planned. However the evidence stated they entered FTL late and exited FTL somewhere completely different to their destination with a habitable planet nearby after being hit by the crucible beam. They are also completely out of contact with fleet as they aren't aware Shep survived. I view it as the only logical conclusion that the beam interacting with a ship in FTL led to the Normandy being thrown out somewhere outside of the Sol where there is an uninhabited planet. Howfar outside is unknown and how long it will take them to ftl back is equally unknown. Obviously i headcanon that it is with a reasonable amount of time but it certainly won't be immediate imo.

[Taboo]

I'm sensing butthurt at critical levels. We have had a fight in this thread every day for the last few days.

Can't we just complain about how Miranda isn't in the game more?

[jtav]

The crew is able to get back to Earth in a reasonable time. Otherwise high-EMS Destroy makes no sense.

[Taboo]

Everyone loves nudity as a distraction method!

Yes? No? Maybe so?

[krukow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'm sensing butthurt at critical levels. We have had a fight in this thread every day for the last few days.

Can't we just complain about how Miranda isn't in the game more?

This.  I'm doing an insanity/leviathan playthrough (just got it) and I just got her first email.  I'm avoiding her because it's going to make me sad that she'll show up for a minute, then leave for another 10 missions, then talk to me via hologram.

Bioware makes me sad.

[o Ventus]

krukow wrote...

okay, this is simple math O Ventus.

Time travelled = Distance divided by velocity.

The distance between Gillian's planet isn't going to change drastically.  The velocity is the same (FTL) unless there's a real reason to believe otherwise(if you have one, I'll gladly hear it out).

Since the two variables on the right of the equation have not changed, the time travelled will not change.  However long it took them to get there is how long it will take them to get back.

Unless the beam knocked them off course, in which case they will take a straight path back, shortening the distance, and shorting the travel time.  Their path there and back would form a triangle.

So unless you want to make a space is curved argument (which I'm willling to listen to), or argue that the energy bubble warped time (ditto), the return trip will not take that long, because they were only travelling for a couple of hours at best.

Let me put this in simpler terms.

If you're travelling at 60 MPH, it will take you 10 minutes to travel 10 miles. If you're travelling 20 miles at the same speed, the travel time is effectively doubled, since the speed that you're travelling is not relative. Which is my point.

If they are farther away, logic dictates that it would take them longer to get back, unless they were travelling at a relative speed. Straight line or not, sheer distance has to be taken into account. It takes light (travelling from the sun) longer to reach Pluto than it does Earth.

[Taboo]

It's nice simply having her there. I smile everytime Traynor announces that Miranda sent him something.

My reaction when I heard it in my first playthrough was "OMG WHO?"