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[Taboo]

There must be some way out of here
Said the joker to the thief
There's too much confusion
I can't get no relief

Before it was made more know to Sci-Fi fans in Battlestar Galactica All Along the Watchtower was known as a Bob Dylan song. And it is.

It also describes my feelings on this thread from time to time.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 02 septembre 2012 - 06:39 .

[Taboo]

Johnny Cash was one of Reznor's influences. They deliver lines much the same way.

I was going to talk about things for the #MoreMiranda Campaign but it's time to go to bed. I'll share more tomorrow. And this effects everyone in this thread by the way. Regardless of how you interpret the character.

And I mean everyone. Regardless of how you feel about one another.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 02 septembre 2012 - 06:54 .

[Ieldra]

I've read debate about the Normandy's flight. Here's my take on it:

(1) The real reason we are seeing what we're seeing is that artist team or the ones who had the idea for the scene were ignorant of the lore or deliberately ignored it for the sake of drama. Again. In other words, the scene is, lore-wise, a load of crap.

(2) If I were to make-up an in-world justification, I'd posit that relay jumps are instantaneous in "world time", i.e. as seen from outside by an observer equally far away from both endpoints, but takes some small amount of time for those on the ship. That way, the Normandy could be pushed out of a relay jump to fall out basically anywhere as the "mass-free corridor" collapses. The Normandy would have to use FTL to get to the Charon relay beforehand.

(3) The Normandy is out of contact while on that planet.

(4) The Normandy can reach the Sol system again in a reasonable time frame. That's not a conclusion, but it makes most sense from a storytelling point of view. If you want, you can headcanon things so that the Normandy is lost, but even if she's on the other side of the galaxy, it would take only about 20-25 years to get back. To get back within a month, estimating the speed of the (faster than normal) Normandy at 18ly/day, she'd have to be up to 550 ly away. To get back within a year, 6600 ly. What a "reasonable time frame" is is subjective.

Otherwise, still playing ME2 with Miranda...


@Taboo:
You'll get this thread closed for being OT yet with your barrage of arbitrary pop culture references.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 septembre 2012 - 06:55 .

[krukow]

quickie review of leviathan:
Fun story
Enjoyed the expanded lore
Always felt that (post EC) Me3 made perfect sense anyways
Loved Cortez with a gun
Ash content was great
Needed More Miranda

[PMC65]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'm listening to Pinball Wizard. That's The Who.

Taboo, can you hear me?

Sorry, I had to say it!


oh, and ...

Bob Dylan - When I first heard Elvis' voice I just knew that I wasn't going to work for anybody; and nobody was going to be my boss. Hearing him for the first time was like busting out of jail.

That's because Elvis stole all of the black artists' work back then, because they certainly couldn't perform and get popular with it.

James Brown >  Elvis Presley.

James Brown and Elvis Presley were good friends and admired each others talents. James authored two books, and one contains this quote about Elvis: 'I wasn't just a fan, I was his brother. He said I was good and I said he was good; we never argued about that. Elvis was a hard worker, dedicated, and God loved him ... I love him and hope to see him in heaven. There'll never be another like that soul brother'.

[Ieldra]

krukow wrote...
quickie review of leviathan:
Fun story
Enjoyed the expanded lore
Always felt that (post EC) Me3 made perfect sense anyways
Loved Cortez with a gun
Ash content was great
Needed More Miranda

Is Ashley's content romance-specific? If no, I can try to get it...

Otherwise, yes, I mostly agree. Cortez isn't one of my favorites - I would've preferred Traynor - but it's nice to see him in some action. The story had a great mood.

And everything in ME3 needs more Miranda. Except Oriana. She's got more than enough Miranda.

[krukow]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Is Ashley's content romance-specific? If no, I can try to get it...

Well, that's the thing, I don't know. 

I'm actually very curious if they wrote it so that if you have an LI on the mission they take conversation primacy.  Because when i played, I had Ash/Javik, and Ash got way more lines.  I just don't know if she overrides him or if it's because she's my LI.

So I don't know what you'll get.  Hopefully not 1,203,302 hours of Liara talking.

Miri should have been a squaddie.


I'm gonna go kick a dead horse, ttyl.

[Ieldra]

@krukow:
Count me in on the dead horse kicking: Miranda should have been a team member!

I played Leviathan with EDI and Javik and got both talking, with EDI having significantly more but I don't know if it is because she has a role in the story.

Another question:
Does anyone know if there are differences in Miranda's ME3 conversations depending on whether or not you make her speak with Oriana in ME2? I don't think I can bring myself to not make it so, but if there are differences I have a motivation to try.

[lillitheris]

I find Electric Wizard is more appropriate, at least inasmuch as it represents the cohesion of storytelling in ME3…

[Jebel Krong]

Babi_Siha wrote...

o Ventus wrote...


*Also spoilers*

But the Leviathans are restricted to severely, ridiculously low numbers. They might be powerful, but there simply aren't enough of them to really post a threat. I'm almost entirely certain the actual war against the Reapers has taken some of them too.

SPOILERS AHEAD!!




That's true, but the galaxy is crippled, even if they are a small number they'll still be able to do major damage and kill a lot of people. Not to mention they could influence a lot of people and make those people fight for them.

so many people have made arguments like thi, but haven't thought it through:

1. they failed once already.
2. their numbers a re low.
3. they rely even more on thralls/magic balls.
4. they face a galaxy, though depleted, already militarised and having fought and beaten a similar but superior enemy to the leviathans themselves.
5. there's always something bigger/worse round the corner, in the deepest darkest parts of the galaxy.

#4 would probably be most apt for you.

[almondroy]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

It seems that way. I did a
playthrough with Liara as my LI + Garrus with her (go ahead, mock me)
and it seemed like Liara took the lead with dialogue. Otherwise, it
seems like EDI (if you take her) does without an LI there.

I'd also like to throw my name in the "Miranda should have been a squaddie" hat. This dead horse needs to be beaten.

I think the conversation lead is based on individual character's reaction scores/rating to Shepard, after the EDI-centric initial lab investigation, if you don't have a present LI.

Early in the mission, I took ED I+ Liara, Liara did most of the talking
Mid way I took EDI + Javik, neither one did much, if any, talking
During the final landing on Waterworld, I took EDI + Ash, Ash did most of the talking and was also the one that dragged Shep away from the diving mech after he resurfaced.

[jtav]

@Ieldra

There is no difference between speaking and not speaking to Ori. Miranda even still calls her Ori.

[Jonata]

jtav wrote...

@Ieldra

There is no difference between speaking and not speaking to Ori. Miranda even still calls her Ori.

I alwayst thought that moment was more about letting you decide what your Shepard would do in that delicate situation. The fact that Miranda would eventually speak with her in the future is implied, but if your Shepard is a truly Paragon one you can do a very kind and appropriate thing convincing her.

[jtav]

If they were real people, I'd always go Renegade. Since it's a video game and I know it ends well, I go Paragon.

[o Ventus]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

It's beautiful...

[Steelcan]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Jonata wrote...

jtav wrote...
@Ieldra

There is no difference between speaking and not speaking to Ori. Miranda even still calls her Ori.

I alwayst thought that moment was more about letting you decide what your Shepard would do in that delicate situation. The fact that Miranda would eventually speak with her in the future is implied, but if your Shepard is a truly Paragon one you can do a very kind and appropriate thing convincing her.

Yep.
I'm a Paragon-heavy player; usually 85/90% Paragon. Even if I was a Renegade, I'd have to tell Miranda that she should talk to Oriana, because, well, Miranda.

. Very renegade heavy, I still pick a few paragon options every now and then.  That is one of them.

[o Ventus]

Just too chime in--

I always have Miranda talk to her sister on Illium. I have a number of reasons.

1. I RP my canon Shepard as having budding feelings for Miranda before the time of the LM, and rescuing Oriana and allowing Miranda to talk to her were the two acts that made Miranda notice that he cares.

2. It's pretty clear that not very many people are genuinely nice to Miranda. Letting her talk to Oriana is simply the nice thing to do, regardless of romance intentions.

3. It takes a Grade-A douchebag to make Miranda not talk to Oriana. It's the only Renegade decision in the entire trilogy where I feel comfortable in saying "Wow, what an insufferable dick".

[Steelcan]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Just too chime in--

I always have Miranda talk to her sister on Illium. I have a number of reasons.
1. I RP my canon Shepard as having budding feelings for Miranda before the time of the LM, and rescuing Oriana and allowing Miranda to talk to her were the two acts that made Miranda notice that he cares.
2. It's pretty clear that not very many people are genuinely nice to Miranda. Letting her talk to Oriana is simply the nice thing to do, regardless of romance intentions.
3. It takes a Grade-A douchebag to make Miranda not talk to Oriana. It's the only Renegade decision in the entire trilogy where I feel comfortable in saying "Wow, what an insufferable dick".

This is pretty bad...or hilarious, depending on your viewpoint. Not a "decision," but it is quite dick-ish.

. I also like the conversation after Eden Prime where you can be nice o Ashley, or question her competence, I noose the latter