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[Ieldra]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
On another topic, who do you think would win in a drinking contest? Miri or Jack?

Jack. Miranda doesn't drink much, if at all. Though it's possible through her enhanced body chemistry she metabolizes the stuff faster than other humans. In that case, it might be impossible for her to get drunk. 

[goofyomnivore]

I'm hoping Mr. Lawson is evil. Pure evil genius. I've thought of a few theories on how he could be that, but I want to see what Bioware has in store for him if we get to see him.

I wonder if Bioware is going to use the trope of the remorseful father. Like Mr. Lawson sees the galaxy is in ruin, and everything he has built is lost all he has is his daughters, and he is facing his reality and regrets. He trys to make amends.

I don't really like that at face value, and I have no idea what Miranda would do. I think she would be like "go to hell".

[Ieldra]

Arijharn wrote...
As much as I like Miranda, I have to say that if it had to come down to between her and me I'd pick me every time... if only because I think it's kinda pragmatic to want to survive.

My main maleShep believes Miranda is more important to humanity's future than he is. So he'd go. My other Shepards - hmm... could go either way.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
On another topic, who do you think would win in a drinking contest? Miri or Jack?

Jack. Miranda doesn't drink much, if at all. Though it's possible through her enhanced body chemistry she metabolizes the stuff faster than other humans. In that case, it might be impossible for her to get drunk. 

Miri....dru....drunk? O.O

I.....I don't think I can see that. She's too amazing to get drunk. I don't think it would fit her Character.

[Ieldra]

strive wrote...
I wonder if Bioware is going to use the trope of the remorseful father. Like Mr. Lawson sees the galaxy is in ruin, and everything he has built is lost all he has is his daughters, and he is facing his reality and regrets. He trys to make amends.

I would like to see something like that very much. I've always thought he's an ambiguous figure rather than 100% evil genius. We don't even know the particulars of his planned genetic dynasty. We only know he mistreated Miranda as a child, and while that's bad, it doesn't mark him as an irredeemable villain. IMO he hasn't crossed any moral event horizons.

It is rather cheesy, but how about something like this: While planning a mission on some planet, Miranda will get the information that her father is down there, near or around the mission objective. But when the team gets there, he's dying from enemy action. They have a last chance to talk. You might be able to influence Miranda's reaction. 

I have no idea what Miranda would do. I think she would be like "go to hell".

Depends. I don't think there would be a total and immediate reconciliation. That would be just too cheesy. But a wary "If we survive this, we'll talk again" might be possible. And if he dies, Miranda would have conflicting emotions. 

@MASSEFFECTfanforlife101:
If you read my post, you will find that I find it very unlikely as well.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 juin 2011 - 07:32 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Well I know that I was just responding to the question. I just made a darn pyramid I guess lol.

[aeetos21]

Hey all, as always last one to the party/new thread - still kinda miss the old one, tear*

aight, starting at page 20...

Edit: Cool discussion, so basically I think it'll come down to this (apologies I'm not a good artist):

Modifié par aeetos21, 18 juin 2011 - 08:49 .

[Ieldra]

Heh...from the recent discussion it appears that most of us here don't see anyone but Ashley as a serious contender for Shepard's affection after Miranda. It is as if Tali, Jack and to a certain extent even Liara don't even exist. Is that so?

BTW, that choice between Ashley and Miranda would only make sense if it was plot-related, not romance-related. It makes no sense that choosing our LI for the team will make four others unavailable. Also there's the romance conflict. It must happen somewhere for those Shepards with different LIs in ME1 and ME2.

[Rawke]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Heh...from the recent discussion it appears that most of us here don't see anyone but Ashley as a serious contender for Shepard's affection after Miranda. It is as if Tali, Jack and to a certain extent even Liara don't even exist. Is that so?

BTW, that choice between Ashley and Miranda would only make sense if it was plot-related, not romance-related. It makes no sense that choosing our LI for the team will make four others unavailable. Also there's the romance conflict. It must happen somewhere for those Shepards with different LIs in ME1 and ME2.

Personally, I never understood why Ashley is so popular. At least from a LI point of view. She's an okay character (I've said that before), but she hasn't had as much developement as Miranda. Partly because BioWare screwed up the VS cameo in ME2, but also because I personally don't think she's that interesting. Liara is far more interesting (not only because she was my canon Shep's LI in ME1 and I'd like to see how the whole thing plays out in ME3 after breaking up with her in LotSB). 

The romance conflict is one of those things that make me pretty confident we'll see her as permanent squadmate, at least for those who romanced her. It's difficult to have all the decisions you made in two games included in ME3, I doubt they'll make it even harder for themselves. Having the LIs as squadmates makes sense from a pragmatic point of view because the writers and developers have much more freedom to make as many people as possible happy. Also, they don't have to create a specific situation for LI conflicts. I'd expect somethign similar to the confrontations in ME2 between Miranda and Jack or Tali and Legion. Just longer conversations, of course.

[goofyomnivore]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Heh...from the recent discussion it appears that most of us here don't see anyone but Ashley as a serious contender for Shepard's affection after Miranda. It is as if Tali, Jack and to a certain extent even Liara don't even exist. Is that so?

I'm in the minority. For a long time I was on the fence with Liara or Miranda. I almost went back to the blue side, after all Liara was my romance during Mass Effect. After playing through a few times and sinking my teeth into the characters. I came to like Miranda the best. I never really clicked with Ashley, and I'm not sure why. I guess it is because I know a lot of girls with a similar personality to hers in real life. I can't get into Jack or Tali's romance. They're just not my taste.. Tali I prefer as a friend, and Jack I would like to be her friend, but she seems to only want romance or nothing to do with you.

Modifié par strive, 18 juin 2011 - 10:53 .

[ParadoxAu]

I go away for a little over a Day, due to the old Bioware Breach... and in that time there's 9 Pages of Miranda to read... My god we're a dedicated bunch!

[Chaia]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I'm a little concerned now, about the VS. Kaidan is alive in my story
(sorry i just thought he was a better character than ashley).

But why would the VS have something to do with Miri being a Permanent Squadmate and LI?
Do I have to have ashley in order to have Miri in My Squad?

Personally, I think its a load of crap. Because it's like
ashley is there so Miri can there,but only for a purpose to have a conflict.

It's like you are forced to have a certain character you don't want,
only to have Miri for the purpose of a damn LI conflict.

What about those who will not have a conflict and whose VS is Kaidan?

Am I screwed now? I do not want to have ashley. Why should the VS matter?

I'm worried even more now.:crying::crying:

I'm just doing a ME1 run through where Shepard romances no-one so that hes free for Miranda in ME2, and I'm wondering if who the VS is effects Miri's squad placement in ME3, I don't want to get all the way to March and find out I picked the wrong character

@ Ieldra2 - my Shepard usually romances either Liara or Miranda. Tali has always seemed more like a friend then anything else, same with Jack.

[aeetos21]

I'm thinking... okay this is the way I see it. Everybody here is thinking Ash+Miranda are fire and ice, right? I'm gonna make a list now, b/c that's what I do. Make pointless abstract lists that sum up my thoughts. AHEM!

Ash:
- Miranda, this has been argued to death already so moving on...
-Tali, this could be pretty big since the two worked together in ME1, plus Tali is an alien and may put the quarian interests of humanity
-Jack, I think this has a lot of potential for another big blowup because despite her resentment for Cerberus she doesn't care for the Alliance or humanity at all - though her allegiance to Shepard is without question.
-Liara, I'm not entirely sure if you could romance her in ME2 if you didn't in ME1 but if you could then I imagine there's a good chance for some reignited animosity between the two (though less on Liara's end I feel)
-Kelly, I don't even know where to begin on this one

Kaidan:
*I don't see him being as overt with his feelings as Ash but I don't think the feelings of betrayal or jealously will be any less.
- Garrus, pretty much the same thing with Tali and Ash. Maybe a hint of betrayal but I see Kaidan being a bit more understanding about it.
- Thane, I'm thinking a bit like how Ashley felt towards Liara's advances on Shepard during ME1 - a lot of confusion and not able to understand the appeal.
- Jacob, if there's a fire and ice contrast for the female LI's then this would be the one. However given that the two guys are both former marines and share other similarities I feel that they would be able to accept each other better than Ash and Miranda. Although I can almost picture Kaidan looking at Shepard and saying: "This guy? You moved on from me to... this? 'The Prize'?"
-Liara, again if she's romanceable through the LotSB DLC (which I'm still unsure of) I actually think she'd be the one he'd be most okay with given their history together.
-Kelly, again no idea where to begin

Liara:
*I haven't yet played through ME2 with the ME1 import which has her her as my LI so again I couldn't speculate on this one.

Looking back over this I'm sure I missed some key points on their personalities and patterns of reaction but it seems like Miranda and Jack are the major conflicts if you romanced Ash in ME1, at least from my pov.

[Rawke]

You can continue your romance in ME2 with Liara, but only if you explicitly say so. All other options in the relevant conversation result in Shep and Liara being "just friends for now". Emphasis on the "for now". You can't romance Liara in ME2 though.

[Lumikki]

I don't know what Asley has to do with Miranda?

I mean only real common what they have is that they both knows Shepards and they are human females. So based Shepards gender, they can be LI or not.

One is soldier with guns, while other is sentinel with bionic abilities. One is connected to service of Alliance and other has connection to Cerberus. They attitude is very different. One was a few years ago helping Shepard, while other is Normandy's XO and leader behind Shepard. Meaning there is difference between been part of Shepards team and been Shepards right hand.

Modifié par Lumikki, 18 juin 2011 - 12:28 .

[Ieldra]

Lumikki wrote...
I don't know what Asley has to do with Miranda?

I mean only real common what they have is that they both knows Shepards and they are human females. So based Shepards gender, they can be LI or not.

One is soldier with guns, while other is sentinel with bionic abilities. One is connected to service of Alliance and other has connection to Cerberus. They attitude is very different. One was a few years ago helping Shepard, while other is Normandy's XO and leader behind Shepard. Meaning there is difference between been part of Shepards team and been Shepards right hand.

Miranda and Ashley are connected in our minds exactly because they are polar opposites: fire and ice, the heart and the mind, religion and science, traditional and progressivist (please note these are tendencies, not absolutes - let nobody say that Ashley is stupid or Miranda has no heart). The only thing they both have in common is that they're both in some way human nationalists. But even here I bet they'd interpret "human advancement" very differently.

For me, these dualities also represent directions of where your decisions might lead the galaxy in your games and the way the Reapers might be defeated. So Ashley and Miranda are both symbols of where we'd want humanity to go, independently of any romances.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 juin 2011 - 12:48 .

[jtav]

Ieldra, I disagree with you. He's crossed the moral event horizon. "I wasn't the first he made, only the first he kept." I want the bastard dead, painfully.

As for female LIs, it's usually Tali and Miranda I paint as opposites. Both are brilliant and defined by their loyalty to an organization that doesn't quite deserve it. But Tali is sweet and virginal, less challenging once the romance begins. (Interestingly, they both can argue passionately with Shepard before the romance). They also function as my avatars. I share Tali's shyness and health problems and Miranda's reserve and melancholy

[Lumikki]

Ieldra2 wrote...

For me, these dualities also represent directions of where your decisions might lead the galaxy in your games and the way the Reapers might be defeated. So Ashley and Miranda are both symbols of where we'd want humanity to go, independently of any romances.

Galaxy? Sure, but this has nothing to do with Miranda or Asley. It's Shepard here who is shaping the Galaxy with his/her own choises and humanity. Asleys or Mirandas believes has absolute zero meaning to this. We all are under fire, Reapers doesn't seperates us by our humanity. This is Reapers believes agaist Shepards (player choises). If game developers force others believes issues to Shepard, then game failed.

It would be same as two children arguing who can play with red ball, while nuclear bomb is about to hit them and then force father to choose who can have the ball. That's just idiotic.

Modifié par Lumikki, 18 juin 2011 - 02:50 .

[Ieldra]

@Lumikki:
Yes, Shepard is the one who will shape the galaxy. His beliefs influence his decisions, the way the Reapers will be defeated and how the galaxy will look after they've won. While Ashley and Miranda do not necessarily have any influence on Shepard's decisions, they nonetheless represent a set of dualities of principles that are often grouped together. Where Shepard stands regarding these principles will influence his decisions. So no, Ashley and Miranda don't influence, but they do symbolize. I'm thinking the writers wrote them that way intentionally.

@jtav:
Ah yes, there's that. Even so, I would not judge him before I know the particulars. It is possible that he just gave his other daughters away to be adopted, unlikely as that would seem for someome as possessive as him. I would prefer a scenario where killing him is not the only reasonable option. I'd let Miranda decide, though, just as with Niket.

[goofyomnivore]

Ieldra2 wrote...@jtav:
Ah yes, there's that. Even so, I would not judge him before I know the particulars. It is possible that he just gave his other daughters away to be adopted, unlikely as that would seem for someome as possessive as him. I would prefer a scenario where killing him is not the only reasonable option. I'd let Miranda decide, though, just as with Niket.

Same. When I was using "evil genius". It was more or so my own prediction/guess on to who he will become. Based on what we know in game/now, I don't think he is a good man, but I wouldn't call him outright evil until I had enough evidence to form my own conclusion.

Modifié par strive, 18 juin 2011 - 03:21 .

[jtav]

I think you're grasping at straws. Shots were fired during Miranda's escape and he hired a merc squad to kidnap Oriana. Nothing I know about him leads me to believe he's anything other than a monster.

[goofyomnivore]

Didn't her father only buy Niket? Niket hired the mercs I thought. Because doesn't he say "I was told I could handle this my way". I could be remembering wrong, or forgetting a huge detail. It wouldn't be the first time.

Shots fired is bad I'll give you that. I totally lapsed on that one. However that could be literal(the moment it happened), or in the sense that Miranda's contacts and her dad's were actively fighting during the escape process(hiding, cover up, whatever).

Modifié par strive, 18 juin 2011 - 03:46 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I need SOMEONE'S HELP!!!!

Could someone tweet to the dev's asking if Miri being part of the Squad depends on who the VS is or not?

I am HORRIBLY worried about this. Kaidan is alive in my story (no offense, but I thought that he was a better character than ashley) I played ME2 first remember, and in ALL of my playthroughs, I CONSTANTLY saw ashley over and over again and I got tired of it (I'm not bashing, so don't bother).
So when I finally imported, Kaidan was in Horizon.

Anyway, I'm afraid that Miri will not be part of My Squad because of Kaidan. As if I'm not allowed to have two Sentinels in the Squad.

But Miri is MY LI, it would NOT be fair to not have her in my Squad because of Kaidan. No offense, BUT I do NOT want to be forced to keep a different VS alive when I do NOT want to.:crying::crying:

Why should the VS even matter?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 18 juin 2011 - 03:52 .

[jtav]

strive wrote...

Didn't her father only buy Niket? Niket hired the mercs I thought. Because doesn't he say "I was told I could handle this my way". I could be remembering wrong, or forgetting a huge detail. It wouldn't be the first time.

Shots fired is bad I'll give you that. I totally lapsed on that one. However that could be literal(the moment it happened), or in the sense that Miranda's contacts and her dad's were actively fighting during the escape process(hiding, cover up, whatever).

If you don't know about her past at the time her LM comes up, she mentions having to injure his guards in order to escape. The mercs are "working for the organization Ms. Lawson warned us about."

[goofyomnivore]

I don't think the VS will have any impact, because you could say the same for Ashley and Garrus, but Garrus is confirmed to be back as a squad member.