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[jtav]

And, really, longstanding hidden feelings are Tali's niche. Miranda's is defrosting and coming to respect the hero after initial dislike. Taking a more charitable reading of the scene than I usually do Miranda can't be attracted to him until she realizes he's up to the task of defeating the Reapers and has shown personal kindness by saving Oriana when she was probably expecting him to throw her "mission comes first" attitude back in her face.

Modifié par jtav, 03 août 2011 - 02:02 .

[naledgeborn]

^ Lol that is a very good post.

[LuxDragon]

Then this might be relevant:

[MisterJB]

Omega? Bad idea, complete pisshole. Dark Star Lounge, better option.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Yeah, and Miri mentioned that she once went to Chora's Den when you arrived at the Dark Star Lounge.

When I wen to Chora's Den a few times for side quests, I thought that Miri was once went or will go there. I missed Miri in every moment in ME1. 

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 03 août 2011 - 02:57 .

[JosephDucreux]

jreezy wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Shephard's rank is that of Lieutenant Commander, between the events of ME1 and 2, Kaidan was promoted twice... which is actually pretty unusual I think.

How often is someone promoted in the military?

Anywhere from once every couple of years to a goddamn decade. But it depends on a few factors such as which unit they're in (units that are regularly deployed into active combat [ie. 3rd Ranger Battalion, which I was in] see a lot of promotions for NCOs), their performance, the commendations from superior officers and peers. I myself made it to Sergeant First class (SFC) before I was honorably discharged so that I could pursue my psychology degree.

Double-bumping (coloquially refers to a soldier being promoted two ranks above his/her former rank) is exceedingly rare, but it does exist in 'extraordinary circumstances'. Kaidan was double-bumped, and the circumstances were definitely in the 'extraordinary circumstances' category. Ashley was just promoted as far as I know.

Anyways, getting back on topic...

[Arijharn]

Ash was double bumped too iirc, she was gunnery chief during ME1 and then she was operations chief in 2. She skipped master chief (...)

[Caihn]

MisterJB wrote...

Omega? Bad idea, complete pisshole. Dark Star Lounge, better option.

[Vertigo_1]

^^^I just noticed Rach (asakawa on BSN) did that, lol
One of my favorites!

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 03 août 2011 - 04:20 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

^^^I just noticed Rach (asakawa on BSN) did that, lol
One of my favorites!

Yeah, I would love to see something like that happen.

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

^^^I just noticed Rach (asakawa on BSN) did that, lol
One of my favorites!

You can find all her drawings here :
http://asakawa.devia...gallery/8721971

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^ Nice Avatar Yannkee! I saw that earlier today. Yvonne is looking Sexy as Always!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 03 août 2011 - 04:47 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Here's a closer look of Dorknoodle's image. 

Dorkynoodle is very talented.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 03 août 2011 - 04:58 .

[Shotokanguy]

jtav wrote...

I think Miranda could use some mild edits to compensate for the truly horrible things the lighting system does to her face and her tendency to fall into the Uncanny Valley. Particularly her perfectly symmetrical face.

Why do I see this a lot in reference to Miranda? It's like someone confirmed somewhere that after scanning Yvonne's face, they went and copied one side of her face and pasted it on both sides to make Miranda.

Yvonne isn't perfectly symmetrical, I'm sure Miranda isn't. Perfect symmetry looks weird. Not like "Aww man, the lighting make Miranda look unnaturally pale here" weird, but like "WHOA that is not what people look like" weird.

[Caihn]

Shotokanguy wrote...

jtav wrote...

I think Miranda could use some mild edits to compensate for the truly horrible things the lighting system does to her face and her tendency to fall into the Uncanny Valley. Particularly her perfectly symmetrical face.

Why do I see this a lot in reference to Miranda? It's like someone confirmed somewhere that after scanning Yvonne's face, they went and copied one side of her face and pasted it on both sides to make Miranda.

Yvonne isn't perfectly symmetrical, I'm sure Miranda isn't. Perfect symmetry looks weird. Not like "Aww man, the lighting make Miranda look unnaturally pale here" weird, but like "WHOA that is not what people look like" weird.

And here we go again ...
Miranda's face is not perfectly symmetrical, and the 3d model is pretty much accurate. (verified in 3ds max)
The problem is due to the poor bump mapping textures and the lighting/shadows limitation of the engine. There is nothing wrong about Miranda's face model : it's just a complex model (Yvonne facial features are not common) which requires a less sloppy work.

And don't forget that they changed her face model during the ME2 development, so maybe they didn't have as much time to work on her model than on the others model.

Modifié par Yannkee, 03 août 2011 - 06:14 .

[Vertigo_1]

Yannkee wrote...
And here we go again ...
Miranda's face is not perfectly symmetrical, and the 3d model is pretty much accurate. (verified in 3ds max)
The problem is due to the poor bump mapping textures and the lighting/shadows limitation of the engine. There is nothing wrong about Miranda's face model : it's just a complex model (Yvonne facial features are not common) which requires a less sloppy work.

And don't forget that they changed her face model during the ME2 development, so maybe they didn't have as much time to work on her model than on the others model.

Well things seemed to have improved in ME3 with regards to graphics/bump mapping/lighting (see Shepard)
Hopefully they take a look over her too.

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
Well things seemed to have improved in ME3 with regards to graphics/bump mapping/lighting (see Shepard)
Hopefully they take a look over her too.

Yeah, as long as they don't change her face model.

About the graphics : I'm glad they improved the textures resolution (maybe JeanLuc won't have to make mods again in ME3). 

[Vertigo_1]

Yannkee wrote...
About the graphics : I'm glad they improved the textures resolution (maybe JeanLuc won't have to make mods again in ME3).

Or he can make them even better!

[Nayt Navare]

You guys read this russian article?

http://www.3dnews.ru/games/614349

In an English translation, it roughly states "and not disappearing anywhere is the beautiful Miranda" in terms of squad mates.

[Clonedzero]

SE JN wrote...

You guys read this russian article?

http://www.3dnews.ru/games/614349

In an English translation, it roughly states "and not disappearing anywhere is the beautiful Miranda" in terms of squad mates.

yeah, i dont know how reliable that is.

hope it is, cus confirming miranda and legion as fulltime squadmates would be brilliant, perfect even.

[Ieldra]

I doubt that it's legit. But I hope so much that it is - Miranda and Legion as full time team members, that would be two of my favorite ME2 characters.

[ubermensch007]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

jtav wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

I think Miranda's character development was one of the ones that went really well. If Oriana showed up in ME3 I think she'd definitely embarrass the heck out of Miranda and expose her feelings for Shepard. I think Miranda fell for Shepard while he was on the table, well the ideal of Shepard that's why you have the initial friction. But yeah I think Oriana would try to get the two together regardless if he has a LI and that would cause the sisters to fuss at each other. Would be a funny couple of scenes.

No. Just no.  That would be pathetic. She seems to have developed feelings for him after he saved Oriana.

  I don't care about the Oriana thing given the LOTSB dossier I thought it would be a funny way to continue the relationship.  Miranda was all in her business being slightly intrusive and missing the point, Oriana disconnected her.  I can certainly imagine her turning the tables on Miranda and doing what I posted above regardless of how Miranda feels about it.  It would be funny to me and a way to show how clever Oriana is if she can prove to be a handful for Miranda to handle.  And the message she mails Shepard shows that she has that type of personality.  Introducing her in any other way could easily lead to a cliche.  But I can agree to disagree on it being pathetic. I however totally diagree with your observation on when Miranda fell for Shepard. 


In the opening scene before that she's singing your praises "Sheperd did everything right. (She list the major accomplishments) Humanity's place in the galaxy is stronger then ever."  We know strengthening humanty's position is a core goal of Cerebus, Miranda states she firmly believes in Cerberus's goals.  Furthermore she goes on to say "But Shepard. They'll follow him, he's a hero a bloody icon.  But he's just one man...if we lose Shepard humanity might well follow."  I think that outlines how highly she views him.  So if she thinks so much about him what's the reason for her hostile response at the base after the TIM meeting ?  Hold that thought as we move along.

She then spends the next two years not only rebuilding him but learning all about him (only way to test his cognitive functions hadn't been altered) that's a deep personal and emotional vestment in one person for a very long time.  Miranda developing feelings for him is natural and very commonly referred to as Nightingale Syndrome.  In the waking scene you don't think she was fondly looking upon Shepard ?  She didn't seem filled with pride at her work of rebuilding him at that moment.  She seemed to look upon him warmly this is contrasted by her expression when she snipes at wilson for his screw ups.  Miranda was looking at that hero on the table she was looking at her hero.

We know She has in her head an image of how she sees him because she says things when they talk that hint at this "I wish cerberus would have recruited you earlier." She assumes he's a part of or willing to join Cerberus why would she think that ? Maybe she just wished that, certainly goes on to try justifying it to him because of who he is. "You were great before Cerberus rebuilt you."  These aren't recently developed feeling we can gather that from her opening scene comments.

The control chip comment and I'm not looking for a friend comments seems to strictly stem from her being replaced after doing the impossible.  I think she was a bit Jealous and the player is given options to respond to her attitude (**** comment), call her out on the jealous and/or issues at being replaced as lead.  For someone who just accompished the impossible that's a heck of a Promotion demotion.

This is how I feel about it and the reasons why I don't think she flipped from ice queen to Shepard groupie.  She didn't warm up overnight she simply didn't have any idea how he would react to her and Cerberus and guarded herself and hid how she felt until she saw he was a ok guy. You point to the loyalty mission as the changing point If that's truet why does she ask him for help with Oriana ?  Surely she had contacts with others she's known and worked with longer, people who could've gone with her to resolve Oriana's dilema.  Heck she could've had a small army meet her there and had her contact escort Oriana somewhere else.

This is why I never looked at why she warmed up and or why she sides with Shepard, given her viewpoint Shepard truimphs Cerberus afterall "He's a bloody icon." 

@whywhywhywhy, Thanks for saying all this.After reading this post of yours.Even though Miranda isn't my main squeeze in ME.You got me to like her alot more, than i did before.I think your interpretation here is spot on. 

The way she talks about Commander Shepard in the presence of the Illusive Man -- The level of passion, enthusiasm and zeal in her voice is almost unsettling (but I like it).She sounds akin to someone talking about thier Devotion and Love of the Führer in Naz! Germany. but as I said, I like hearing Ms.Lawson speak with passion and zest about something or someone.One of the things I like so much about having Operative Lawson in my squad on missions.I bring her along, not only b/c she has very useful abilities and I get to admire her figure.But it is also b/c she is a "Cheerleader" and I mean that in a good way.I love how encourging she is.When your fighting the bad-guys; either Mercs, Malfunctioning Mechs, Geth or Collectors.She's all like,"Yeah! -- Good job" Whoo" I love that about her.She makes me want to here more of her praise. So I fight better...

Modifié par ubermensch007, 03 août 2011 - 08:40 .

[Ieldra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Here's a closer look of Dorknoodle's image.

Dorkynoodle is very talented.
*image snipped*

Miranda looks as if someone put her on a rack and pulled at both ends until she was 10% taller - unnaturally long-limbed. I prefer Asakawa's picture. Only Miranda's face is better in Dorknoodle's. Apparently Miranda's face is hard to draw, so anyone who can do it remotely well has my respect.  

[Lee337]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Here's a closer look of Dorknoodle's image.

Dorkynoodle is very talented.
*image snipped*

Miranda looks as if someone put her on a rack and pulled at both ends until she was 10% taller - unnaturally long-limbed. I prefer Asakawa's picture. Only Miranda's face is better in Dorknoodle's. Apparently Miranda's face is hard to draw, so anyone who can do it remotely well has my respect.  

It is pretty hard. I tried a while ago and I think I did the face pretty well but my shading skills let it down at the time. Might try again but getting a good picture is hard. As detailed as Miranda and the rest of the models are, they're still nowhere near perfect and you have to fill in a lot of details yourself.

[Ieldra]

ubermensch007 wrote...
The way she talks about Commander Shepard in the presence of the Illusive Man -- The level of passion, enthusiasm and zeal in her voice is almost unsettling (but I like it). She sounds akin to someone talking about thier Devotion and Love[...]

You must've heard a different conversation than I did. The way she talks about Shepard has more than a hint of "Yeah, he's done great things, but why the hell do they follow him? Why is he 'a bloody icon'?" And later, on Minuteman station, it's pretty clear that she doubts his movations. Again, more than a hint of "Why is this man worth four billion credits to bring back from the dead?"

Devotion? She talks as if she has that - for the Illusive Man, in the first conversation on the Normandy and the second romance conversation. Devotion to Shepard I can see, thankfully, nowhere at all. If, at the end of the game, she's lost her devotion to TIM, that's a good thing, but I wouldn't want TIM to be replaced by Shepard in that regard. That would negate parts of her character development - it's not who you blindly follow that makes you who you are, but the fact that you blindly follow anyone in the first place.

As for the "I wish Cerberus had recruited you earlier" scene, she says that in the second romance conversation, quite obviously implying that she is impressed now where she wasn't earlier. This is the first time she shows genuine respect for Shepard's achievements in general. And that respect she's gained, that's a major aspect of her attraction to him. You see it starting at the loyalty mission debrief, but only here it gets full expression. 

Passion for Shepard is nowhere to be seen before the engine room scene. In fact, she's reluctant to get involved with him and it seems she's surprised by herself, following her heart in a situation where it seems crazy to do so. She even says so: "I think we're crazy, but I haven't forgotten....assuming you're still interested. 

So no, this "early attraction" scenario is not supported by the conversations in the game. I think 4why and you are completely off-track with it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 août 2011 - 09:42 .