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I don't like idea of an empty Rannoch. I like to keep the number of dead races to a minimum in my ending. Doing some Meta-Gaming and letting the Geth die above Rannoch actually saves more lives. How awful.

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I'd be inclined to agree, but I still liked most of Absolution.

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I think the only thing I really like music wise that came out recently was the soundtrack to Drive. Which was my favorite film from last year.

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Skullheart wrote...

I don't like tali's line about Miranda because it sound like Miranda died, even if she survives. Too bad for tali that My Shepard always side with the geths on Rannoch.


This is why I don't like drunk Tali. Because she always uses the past-tense.

"I know you two were close..."

Since when in the hell did we cease to be close, Tali?

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o Ventus wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

I don't like tali's line about Miranda because it sound like Miranda died, even if she survives. Too bad for tali that My Shepard always side with the geths on Rannoch.


This is why I don't like drunk Tali. Because she always uses the past-tense.

"I know you two were close..."

Since when in the hell did we cease to be close, Tali?


everytime i watched that scene before playing, i wondered: ok, where's the dialog if miranda survives?
very strange. Feels like dialog is missing. Like a lot of things seem to be missing.... B)



run, taboo! the WW fangirl is back XD

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Design oversight. It's still a good look into Tali's mind and a fairly accurate summation of Miranda. It also makes a good point that it's better for Miranda to be respected than merely liked.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't like idea of an empty Rannoch. I like to keep the number of dead races to a minimum in my ending. Doing some Meta-Gaming and letting the Geth die above Rannoch actually saves more lives. How awful.



Whatever it takes to destroy the Reapers for me. 

If it means several races go extinct, I'll do it without hesitation, regret, or remorse.

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Yeah, it's got a decent grounding in the characters. Just that, because of design shortcuts, the execution is a little off in terms of phrasing.

Oh, and speaking of phrasing, not sure if everyone was aware of the latest part of The Secrets of the Mysterious Relic being out. I helped refine the language and such.

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fiendishchicken wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't like idea of an empty Rannoch. I like to keep the number of dead races to a minimum in my ending. Doing some Meta-Gaming and letting the Geth die above Rannoch actually saves more lives. How awful.



Whatever it takes to destroy the Reapers for me. 

If it means several races go extinct, I'll do it without hesitation, regret, or remorse.


. I'd pick the quarians over the geth every time

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Steelcan wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't like idea of an empty Rannoch. I like to keep the number of dead races to a minimum in my ending. Doing some Meta-Gaming and letting the Geth die above Rannoch actually saves more lives. How awful.



Whatever it takes to destroy the Reapers for me. 

If it means several races go extinct, I'll do it without hesitation, regret, or remorse.


. I'd pick the quarians over the geth every time


I'm the opposite. wanna talk about it?

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fiendishchicken wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
. I'd pick the quarians over the geth every time


I'm the opposite. wanna talk about it?

You just love making bad decisions don't you.  Virmire, Rannoch, etc...

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krukow wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
. I'd pick the quarians over the geth every time


I'm the opposite. wanna talk about it?

You just love making bad decisions don't you.  Virmire, Rannoch, etc...

. Sure why not?  Although it would be off topic for this thread

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krukow wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
. I'd pick the quarians over the geth every time


I'm the opposite. wanna talk about it?

You just love making bad decisions don't you.  Virmire, Rannoch, etc...


Hey I broker peace all the time.

I'm not a psycho who wishes death to the Quarians (well maybe a little).

And I save Wrex. I don't know what you're talking about. Or is this more butthurt over Ashley?

She whines and ****es too much and constantly complains about Shepard, while simultaneously wondering if he still loves her (he never did truly love her). She calls you a traitor to everything you stand for, her blatant disregard for Shepard's skill vs the divine ("No offense Shepard, but the only reason you survived was because someone above was looking out for you." And yes I'm an atheist, and when pressed I become a militant one), her terrible opinions on everything, her speciesism, her poetry, anything about her makes me want to put a bullet in her. Which I gladly do.

She doesn't know the first thing about Cerberus goals and only listens to her precious alliance's propaganda like a baby sucking on it's mothers ******.  The alliance screws over Shepard, everyone else calls them stupid morons, and Ashley is like "Yay! Go alliance!" If the systems alliance had their way the whole time, by 2186 the galaxy would already be Reaper chow.

And she still thinks after all that she has a shot with Shepard, especially after Horizon? My Shepard snorted at her email. 

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Steelcan wrote...

Sure why not?  Although it would be off topic for this thread


Sorry again for bursting without invitation, but let me guess: you saved Kaidan and choose Geth if cannot broker peace?

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I was just teasing you fiendishchicken...

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So this thread for Quarian or geth or different thread?

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Steelcan wrote...

So this thread for Quarian or geth or different thread?


You can PM you reply to me, I just noticed something... familiar and can't just pass by.

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Rudy Lis wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

So this thread for Quarian or geth or different thread?


You can PM you reply to me, I just noticed something... familiar and can't just pass by.

. ?

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Design oversight. It's still a good look into Tali's mind and a fairly accurate summation of Miranda. It also makes a good point that it's better for Miranda to be respected than merely liked.

Yep, I like that part about Miranda. Speaking as if Miranda's dead, not so much. It feeds my suspicion that Miranda was planned to die at some point, which I'd greatly resent if it were true. If it's just a mistake, it's not a big deal.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Design oversight. It's still a good look into Tali's mind and a fairly accurate summation of Miranda. It also makes a good point that it's better for Miranda to be respected than merely liked.

Yep, I like that part about Miranda. Speaking as if Miranda's dead, not so much. It feeds my suspicion that Miranda was planned to die at some point, which I'd greatly resent if it were true. If it's just a mistake, it's not a big deal.


It's more evidence to how "hard" they tried when making Mass Effect 3. 

It's a statement that can't be made enough, and I don't think anyone disagrees at all with it. Mass Effect 3 needed at least another year and a half in development.

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fiendishchicken wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Design oversight. It's still a good look into Tali's mind and a fairly accurate summation of Miranda. It also makes a good point that it's better for Miranda to be respected than merely liked.

Yep, I like that part about Miranda. Speaking as if Miranda's dead, not so much. It feeds my suspicion that Miranda was planned to die at some point, which I'd greatly resent if it were true. If it's just a mistake, it's not a big deal.


It's more evidence to how "hard" they tried when making Mass Effect 3. 

It's a statement that can't be made enough, and I don't think anyone disagrees at all with it. Mass Effect 3 needed at least another year and a half in development.

. Maybe another 6 months, a year and a half seems a little excessive, besides I don't any amount of time could fix the atrocious endings ( remember its ART)

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fiendishchicken wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Design oversight. It's still a good look into Tali's mind and a fairly accurate summation of Miranda. It also makes a good point that it's better for Miranda to be respected than merely liked.

Yep, I like that part about Miranda. Speaking as if Miranda's dead, not so much. It feeds my suspicion that Miranda was planned to die at some point, which I'd greatly resent if it were true. If it's just a mistake, it's not a big deal.


It's more evidence to how "hard" they tried when making Mass Effect 3. 

It's a statement that can't be made enough, and I don't think anyone disagrees at all with it. Mass Effect 3 needed at least another year and a half in development.

While I agree that the additional time might have fixed a few issues, I doubt it would be that much better.

It would still be aimed at the wrong crowd with the same terrible lead writer. I would still have the kid on Earth, forced feelings, synthetics-vs-organics nonsene, auto-dialogue and many other issues. 

Only thing I can imagine especially for the place I am talking here: It would have probably fixed Miranda to some point. They recognized the dissatisfaction while the game was already nearly finsihed and just had the time to add a lousy letter now. A year more might have given them more options.

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Skullheart wrote...

I don't like tali's line about Miranda because it sound like Miranda died, even if she survives. Too bad for tali that My Shepard always side with the geths on Rannoch.


This is why I don't like drunk Tali. Because she always uses the past-tense.

"I know you two were close..."

Since when in the hell did we cease to be close, Tali?


I initially thought it must be a bug. Since no one has found the alternative line and it hasn't been fixed i now assume they were just cutting corners at that point to get the mediocre product out the door.

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The added development time wouldn't have changed the overall direction, no, but I'd like to think it would've allowed for some more fleshed out LOTSB-style roles for a fair few past squad members at least.

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Steelcan wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Design oversight. It's still a good look into Tali's mind and a fairly accurate summation of Miranda. It also makes a good point that it's better for Miranda to be respected than merely liked.

Yep, I like that part about Miranda. Speaking as if Miranda's dead, not so much. It feeds my suspicion that Miranda was planned to die at some point, which I'd greatly resent if it were true. If it's just a mistake, it's not a big deal.


It's more evidence to how "hard" they tried when making Mass Effect 3. 

It's a statement that can't be made enough, and I don't think anyone disagrees at all with it. Mass Effect 3 needed at least another year and a half in development.

. Maybe another 6 months, a year and a half seems a little excessive, besides I don't any amount of time could fix the atrocious endings ( remember its ART)


No, at the very least it needed no less than 14-16 months. It's more than just the endings. There's a f*ckton of wrong with all of ME3.  

- Auto-dialogue
- Fetch-Quests (I'm ok with them, but there needs to be just as many actual sidequests)
- Lack of Miranda (meaningful and literal)
- Lack of choice (player agency is all but kicked out the window)
- No real final battle scenes (This is the epic conclusion)
- The design of the final choice overall (I prefer the choices made over the trilogy give you an ending, along with      the -RGB choice if you wish. What I mean is for Refuse. Depending on the choices you made, You can have a    victory    with refuse, or abysmal failure where the Reapers curbstomp the galaxy forever)
- Better opening and intro mission
- Actual acknowledgement of the lore that has been established
- Redo Cerberus completely
- fixed journal and codex
- ability to holster weapons
- have said weapons appear in cutscenes
- fix the movement animation
- more hubs
- bigger hubs
- scrub the tech singularity (organics vs synthetics) and the Reapers/Glow sticks motivation.

Anyone add anything else that needs work.

Nitpicky? Maybe. But Bioware should have gone the extra mile for their fans. I do it for my troops, and I'm one person. Bioware is hundreds of people with a multi-million dollar budget. They could've had everything I mentioned, don't try to say otherwise.