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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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fiendishchicken

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Mr Massakka wrote...

... and I am still waiting for the announcement that makes me "hold onto my ME3 forever".

Guess I was right that this quote was all about random DLC to extend on the mediocre game (rather than fixing something)


It probably doesn't mean much. We've probably already seen more than half of the DLC scheduled anyway.

I would mind more MP though. It does give it a little bit more replayability.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

To be honest it looks like the DLC is better than quite a bit of the core game. If that's the case perhaps it will balance out the less than satisfactory elements.

It happens.

A "true" Extended Cut.


Ideally it will work like that.

Though I think the fourth DLC in line is entitled:

"Dreaming of Starbrat"

Probably for all those fans who have been clamoring for more heavy-handed symbolism =]

Modifié par flemm, 04 septembre 2012 - 03:31 .


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oh brother wrote...
@Ieldra - what are the issues? Collector base, and...?

Her future after ME3 with some users strongly opposing Miranda founding a new Black Ops organization to replace Cerberus, future pregnancy where the debates seems to be between those who wish Miranda could find a to naturally conceive and others who wish she creates her progeny the way Henry Lawson created her.

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flemm wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

To be honest it looks like the DLC is better than quite a bit of the core game. If that's the case perhaps it will balance out the less than satisfactory elements.

It happens.

A "true" Extended Cut.


Ideally it will work like that.

Though I think the fourth DLC in line is entitled:

"Dreaming of Starbrat"

Probably for all those fans who have been clamoring for more heavy-handed symbolism =]


Ieldra and I were actually hoping for a Werner Herzog inspired epilouge where he would narrate that Miranda Lawson was actually the Catalyst.

And it will NOT be OOC. :sick:

They'll call it "Lawson: Wrath of Herzog".

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MisterJB wrote...

oh brother wrote...
@Ieldra - what are the issues? Collector base, and...?

Her future after ME3 with some users strongly opposing Miranda founding a new Black Ops organization to replace Cerberus, future pregnancy where the debates seems to be between those who wish Miranda could find a to naturally conceive and others who wish she creates her progeny the way Henry Lawson created her.



I don't see Miranda and Shepard doing anything else to be honest. It won't be an exact Cerberus clone but an STG group for sure.

But you can put me on the natural pregnancy group.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

To be honest it looks like the DLC is better than quite a bit of the core game. If that's the case perhaps it will balance out the less than satisfactory elements.

It happens.

A "true" Extended Cut.

Thing is, it extends on the campaign, continues the legacy... as if it was satisfactory.

I want the DLC to fix something: Make choices matter, make Shepard role-playable again, include side-lined characters and arcs... not again "You and your awesome ME3 squad get another random mission".
I am just not interested in such stuff. I mean, Leviathan even clarifies the Reapers and I am not interested at all.

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Mr Massakka wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

To be honest it looks like the DLC is better than quite a bit of the core game. If that's the case perhaps it will balance out the less than satisfactory elements.

It happens.

A "true" Extended Cut.

Thing is, it extends on the campaign, continues the legacy... as if it was satisfactory.

I want the DLC to fix something: Make choices matter, make Shepard role-playable again, include side-lined characters and arcs... not again "You and your awesome ME3 squad get another random mission".
I am just not interested in such stuff. I mean, Leviathan even clarifies the Reapers and I am not interested at all.


The thing is is that if it expands upon things that needed to be and rectifies some mistakes it may make flaws less apparent.

I'm trying to think of a comparison to make but I'm unsure about what to say. I'm sure you know who Wim Wenders is but others won't so I'll use something else.

There was a film in 1976 called Novecento with Robert De Niro that ran 315 minutes uncut. When it first came to the United States it was cut down to about 245 minutes.

It ruined the film. Plots became unclear and the film was just a mess. Looking at the longest extant version now (it's been restored to it's full length) I can say it's a pretty good film but still flawed.

If Bioware plays there cards right they may end up with something like that.

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oh brother wrote...
@Ieldra - what are the issues? Collector base, and...?

I'll list them. Note that this is a tendency. Not everyone will be in the same group on all the issues, but there appears to be a correlation. I'm calling these group I and II for the first and second listed traits, respectively:

(1) Collector base betrayal line - OOC or not.
(2) The idea of Miranda having had a string of lovers vs. Miranda having been mostly celibate in the past.
(3) More pragmatic Miranda vs. less pragmatic Miranda, in several increments.
(4) Infertile Miranda creating offspring using technology vs. having her infertility cured and conceiving naturally.
(5) Miranda's new organization being mostly an STG equivalent vs. being mostly a scientific think thank creating nothing controversial.
(6) Less romance-focused vs. more romance-focused Miranda.

The similarities point to a single trait being different in members of those groups, actually. I've touched on that in the past...

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 septembre 2012 - 03:53 .


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Taboo-XX wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

To be honest it looks like the DLC is better than quite a bit of the core game. If that's the case perhaps it will balance out the less than satisfactory elements.

It happens.

A "true" Extended Cut.

Thing is, it extends on the campaign, continues the legacy... as if it was satisfactory.

I want the DLC to fix something: Make choices matter, make Shepard role-playable again, include side-lined characters and arcs... not again "You and your awesome ME3 squad get another random mission".
I am just not interested in such stuff. I mean, Leviathan even clarifies the Reapers and I am not interested at all.


The thing is is that if it expands upon things that needed to be and rectifies some mistakes it may make flaws less apparent.

I'm trying to think of a comparison to make but I'm unsure about what to say. I'm sure you know who Wim Wenders is but others won't so I'll use something else.

There was a film in 1976 called Novecento with Robert De Niro that ran 315 minutes uncut. When it first came to the United States it was cut down to about 245 minutes.

It ruined the film. Plots became unclear and the film was just a mess. Looking at the longest extant version now (it's been restored to it's full length) I can say it's a pretty good film but still flawed.

If Bioware plays there cards right they may end up with something like that.

Sure, that could work, but honestly? It's blind speculation.

They haven't shown anything that goes into that direction yet and my blind faith in something positive from BioWare decreased to near zero since ME3.

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Oh God I was hoping one of those would never come up. One of those plays into some terrible things. And it's not the one you think it is.

V or the W complex.

Oh the humanity Ieldra.

Keep that **** quiet.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 04 septembre 2012 - 03:56 .


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fiendishchicken wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

... and I am still waiting for the announcement that makes me "hold onto my ME3 forever".

Guess I was right that this quote was all about random DLC to extend on the mediocre game (rather than fixing something)


It probably doesn't mean much. We've probably already seen more than half of the DLC scheduled anyway.

I would mind more MP though. It does give it a little bit more replayability.


I'm pinning my hopes on Omega but fully aware i may end up bitterly disappointed.

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Mr Massakka wrote...

Sure, that could work, but honestly? It's blind speculation.

They haven't shown anything that goes into that direction yet and my blind faith in something positive from BioWare decreased to near zero since ME3.


Both Story related DLC's have done nothing but fix some of the issues. If Bioware stays this way it might fix some issues.

But some will never go away. The game will always be flawed.

The Auto-Dialouge already in the game is here to stay. :sick:

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Taboo-XX wrote...
Oh God I was hoping one of those would never come up. One of those plays into some terrible things. And it's not the one you think it is.

V or the W complex.

Oh the humanity Ieldra.

Keep that **** quiet.

Tell me. Can be in a PM if you don't want to bring it up in the public, but I want to know.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Sure, that could work, but honestly? It's blind speculation.

They haven't shown anything that goes into that direction yet and my blind faith in something positive from BioWare decreased to near zero since ME3.


Both Story related DLC's have done nothing but fix some of the issues. If Bioware stays this way it might fix some issues.

But some will never go away. The game will always be flawed.

The Auto-Dialouge already in the game is here to stay. :sick:

Then they will have to scratch very deep to fix a significant amount of issues.
That's where my faith does missing.

But -as always- I am happy to get positively surprised.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 04 septembre 2012 - 04:10 .


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Thanks Ieldra. I guess I am "group 1" for most (somewhere in the middle for point 6, and I had not given much thought to point 4).

Edit: asked to edit to avoid controversy! Done.

Modifié par oh brother, 04 septembre 2012 - 04:11 .


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^ Don't say anymore about it. For God's sake drop it. Edit the post. This **** is going to get REAL ugly.

Eugh.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 04 septembre 2012 - 04:10 .


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I see the commonality. One group wishes Miranda to be "normal" insofar as the idea exists. There's a strong traditionalist streak. The other wishes Miranda to buck convention as far as characterization allows.

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Did I miss something?

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jtav wrote...

I see the commonality. One group wishes Miranda to be "normal" insofar as the idea exists. There's a strong traditionalist streak. The other wishes Miranda to buck convention as far as characterization allows.


That's just the thing. No one is normal. Even the women I talk about in these art films never really "get there". They simply become accustomed to the real world. But they'll always hold certain ideals or will always be "out there".

Certain things are inherent in people. People want to fit in and be accepted. This is science fact and is not debatable.

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Steelcan wrote...

Did I miss something?


"Chaos reigns!"
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Modifié par Taboo-XX, 04 septembre 2012 - 04:29 .


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There are no groups among the fanbase, only people with different opinions.
Personally, I'm part of no group, I just like the character I've seen from the begining of ME2 to the end ME3 (even if I hate the fact that the character was sidelined).
I have my own interpretation about some things, but this interpretation is no better than others.

Modifié par Yannkee, 04 septembre 2012 - 04:30 .


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Yannkee wrote...

There are no groups among the fanbase, only people with different opinions.
Personally, I'm part of no group, I just like the character I've seen from the begining of ME2 to the end ME3 (even if I hate the fact that the character was sidelined).
I have my own interpretation about some things, but this interpretation is no better than others.

. Agreed, but I'm still confused as to what's going on:?

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These are categories based on observation, not on self-identification.

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Steelcan wrote...
 Agreed, but I'm still confused as to what's going on[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]


A topic was deemed to be taboo. Nothing major.

Yannkee wrote...

There are no groups among the fanbase, only people with different opinions.
Personally, I'm part of no group, I just like the character I've seen from the begining of ME2 to the end ME3 (even if I hate the fact that the character was sidelined).
I have my own interpretation about some things, but this interpretation is no better than others.


I think it was just pointing out that people's views on certain topics are not completly independent.

Modifié par oh brother, 04 septembre 2012 - 04:35 .


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Taboo-XX wrote...
Certain things are inherent in people. People want to fit in and be accepted. This is science fact and is not debatable.

No, it's a majority trait, nothing more. Basically you're claiming there are no true non-comformists and individualists out there. That's very debatable. Also, people might want to be accepted, but by who? That varies considerably. Certainly not by everyone. 

@oh brother:
Exactly.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 septembre 2012 - 04:38 .