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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Sorry for being off topic somewhat, for to those who have drawn Miri, any advise before I lay the pencil on the paper?

After hearing how challenging her face is, I feel nervous about it.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 03 août 2011 - 06:21 .

[jtav]

I'd be willing to wager quite a bit that Lazarus was accomplished with Reaper tech. Compare Renegade Shep and TIM's eyes. Also the fact that s/he can be hacked and that it makes no sense to use death only as a reset button. It also provides a possible reason they were downright desperate to make Miranda sympathetic. As for the time line, EDI is Reaper tech.

[Melra]

If Shepard turns up to be some half human half reaper thingie, I might lose interest totally. It would be wee bit too much for me, I wanna play human character not a robocop. But I guess that's just me.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

She Miri wanted to bring back Shep as he was. If he was altered in any way, the Lazarus project would have fail, as Miri said on the recording vid. She refused to let that happen. Using reaper tech would have altered him in some way.

[LuxDragon]

It's a good drawing 101, but as for advice on art... not a damn thing.

[jtav]

He already came back different. See: his sudden ability to use weapons that would break a normal human's arm and his inability to be sedated.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I love that pic, even though Miri only has my attention. I admire that pic. It makes me feel a little more confident to draw Miri.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

I'd be willing to wager quite a bit that Lazarus was accomplished with Reaper tech. Compare Renegade Shep and TIM's eyes. Also the fact that s/he can be hacked and that it makes no sense to use death only as a reset button. It also provides a possible reason they were downright desperate to make Miranda sympathetic. As for the time line, EDI is Reaper tech.

Partially Reaper Tech according to the Wiki:

"...she reveals that she was in part designed by technology gained from Sovereign's remains and thus, at least partially, based on Reaper technology herself."

[LuxDragon]

jtav wrote...

I'd be willing to wager quite a bit that Lazarus was accomplished with Reaper tech. Compare Renegade Shep and TIM's eyes. Also the fact that s/he can be hacked and that it makes no sense to use death only as a reset button. It also provides a possible reason they were downright desperate to make Miranda sympathetic. As for the time line, EDI is Reaper tech.

EDI is program based off Reaper tech. Cybernetics is a different kind of beast. You're saying that they figured what Reaper components what be good, where to place them, and install them without complication in all of ME 2, in the span of two years.

Besides, the eye thing that happened to TIM was from something else entirely while Shepard is loaded down with mechanical parts.

[Caihn]

Melrache wrote...

If Shepard turns up to be some half human half reaper thingie, I might lose interest totally. It would be wee bit too much for me, I wanna play human character not a robocop. But I guess that's just me.

I don't think that you will be the only one. Many players who like to identify with Shepard, would also lose the immersion feeling and interest in the game.

Modifié par Yannkee, 03 août 2011 - 06:36 .

[LuxDragon]

jtav wrote...

He already came back different. See: his sudden ability to use weapons that would break a normal human's arm and his inability to be sedated.

Heavy Muscle Weave (Microfiber Weave): Perforating the muscles with micro-fibers increases overall strength and decreases the potential for muscle damage from exertion.

That's only in regards to Shep. He's part cyborg now so who's to say what upgrades his body needed?

As for his inability to be sedated, again, he supplimented by mechancial parts. You're really going with Reaper tech? Because I'd think he should be freaking immune to sedatives then.

[MisterJB]

LuxDragon wrote...
I'm dodgy on the whole Reaper tech thing. Where would they get it?

From Sovereign's remains. Or the samples that Cerberus received from the colony on Chasca.

How would they know what to use to put inside him without any adverse reactions?

Lots of testing? Besides, I wouldn't say there haven't been any adverse reactions. Shepard can be "hacked" as shown in "Overlord"

Why put very, very, alien tech inside when the goal was to bring Shepard back exactly the way h/she was?

It's possible that using Reaper technology was the only way to ressurect Shepard's brain. The Husks are proof of what Reaper tec is capable of.

We're talking decades of research and tests, not a few miserable months. Remember, most of the time was spend rebuilding.

Humanity discovered how to translate and use the Prothean ruins on Mars and formed the Alliance in just a few months. If Bioware wants it, they can pull it off again.

[Ieldra]

Here's my take on conflicts influencing the romance in ME3:

(1) Of course she's an equal to Shepard on her own. But she may not see it that way at first. I also agree with TheMarshal in that Shepard's lost quite a bit as well. If Shepard has lost his trust in the Alliance, they're pretty much set up for a riding off into the sunset ending. But I do not think this will come up as a conflict.

(2) Objectives and sacrifices. One of these will definitely play a role, with or without romance. If Shepard loses Miranda's trust over a decision he makes, the romance will also be cut off as a side effect, but the conflict will not be romance-exclusive.

(3) Reaper technology... I can see a conflict if your Shepard believes that Reaper technology is some kind of technological evil mojo, which wouldn't apply to mine, in which case any outcome depends on what exactly the device is made to do. I don't think this should come up for the reasons mentioned by TheMarshal, but I'm sure Bioware would choose to ignore plausibility again if they thought it good for drama.
(As for the general question: ME has a ridiculously compressed timeline. I'm sure that extends to research time as well. They should've added a zero to all time periods between major historical events)

[Ieldra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

This is really good. If you can turn this into Miranda....
Unfortunately, my drawing ability is all but non-existent, so I can't give any meaningful advice.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 août 2011 - 06:41 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

This is really good. If you can turn this into Miranda....

This took me weeks. This pic is several months old and it's on a poster board. I don't which to alter it. I want to frame it. I drew this from this photo, tbh, I'm not sure why I didn't draw the whole body. But most of the time, I draw the face more so the it can catch the viewers eyes more than the rest, as the the center of attention: 



I think I may draw Miri from scratch, BUT, I may still need a photo of Yvonne or Miri for reference. IDK. What do you think?

The face was a complete challenge, even when drawing it magnified on a poster board.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 03 août 2011 - 06:49 .

[MisterJB]

I am wondering when exactly would be the best time to have Jacob's loyalty mission if in correlation with Miranda's romance. Suggestions?

[Caihn]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I think I may draw Miri from scratch, BUT, I may still need a photo of Yvonne or Miri for reference. IDK. What do you think?

You can choose Yvonne or Miranda for reference, it's the same thing (except minor details and the hair color of course). Like I said before, many good drawing of Miranda are based on Yvonne picture.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Though, If it's too much of a hassle,  I may just draw Miri from my imagination like this one shown above:



But that may be a greater challenge.

@ Yannkee, thanks for saying that, I'll do my best...

Though, dark hair was always a challenge for me due to lighting. But like this pic above, that that should be a problem.

I can see the lighting, When you go down with the hair, the details go darker. Hmmmm.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 03 août 2011 - 06:56 .

[Ieldra]

Melrache wrote...
If Shepard turns up to be some half human half reaper thingie, I might lose interest totally. It would be wee bit too much for me, I wanna play human character not a robocop. But I guess that's just me.

I may not lose interest, but I definitely want to have a hand in deciding how human Shepard is in the end. I am a transhumanist, but stuffing a human full of cybernetic parts isn't my preferred way of getting there.

On the other hand, the question of how human you still are if stuffed full of cybernetic parts - or genetically engineered beyond the human template (not just the human norm like Miranda) - is something that is screaming to be explored. Biology says there aren't any fixed boundaries between species, and since species don't stay the same over time you don't even have a fixed definition. Basically it's "If you can produce natural children with another healthy individual, then you're of the same species", regardless of obvious differences in features. Obviously, for most people that isn't the end of it. Personally, I don't really care about species identity. Humans aren't special, and there isn't anything about being human I am proud of or ashamed of. It's just the random fact that I appear to belong to a certain population of individual organisms. That's why I find being forced into and confronted with certain utterances around the SM immensely annoying. My Shepard is attracted to Miranda, and I really don't care if either she or I can be considered human from some philosophical viewpoint, which are arbitrary anyway most of the time. 
 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 août 2011 - 06:57 .

[Caihn]

MisterJB wrote...

I am wondering when exactly would be the best time to have Jacob's loyalty mission if in correlation with Miranda's romance. Suggestions?

I usually play Jacob loyalty mission after Miranda's LM and after the collector ship mission.

[LuxDragon]

^ Pretty much the same. That's how I did it in my fic, anyway.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I usually avoid the part where Jacob says, "she deserves a better man than I. Because it makes me feel uncomfortable, as if he will try to take back Miri in his clutches or something IDK.

[LuxDragon]

^ She requires a better man than I kinda tells me that he thinks he's not good enough for her. I have no idea where you think he's trying to establish a relationship with her from that.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

The way he acts in that scene, like he still had feelings for her.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 03 août 2011 - 07:04 .

[Skullheart]

jtav wrote...

He already came back different. See: his sudden ability to use weapons that would break a normal human's arm and his inability to be sedated.

In one of the trailers of ME3 an alliance marine is shooting a widow and his shoulder isn´t dislocated. I believe that regular humans can't shot weapons like the widow or the claymore, but alliance soldiers have genetic modifications.

Modifié par Skullheart, 03 août 2011 - 07:06 .