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[Arijharn]

While I realise I may be a bit late to the argument (damn sleep!) -- I'm completely and utterly (italics for emphasis!) against the whole idea of Shephard being resurrected with Reaper technology for one simple reason imo; why can't it be simple human ingenuity and endeavour that allowed them to progress? Why must it be an 'outside,' even potentially hostile influence that allowed it to happen. I think making Shephard be brought back to life with Reaper technology actually cheapens the idea of what the Lazarus project was able to do, because it becomes less about 'science' and more 'black box sorcery' as soon as you throw "Reapers did it" into the equation; making it the Mass Effect's universe equivalent of the 'devil made me do it.'

[Lee337]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Not photo realism that's for sure. Sort of like my Yvonne pic a few pages back.

I'm not using a computer to draw, it's all hand drawn.

And remember, I don't complete my pics most of the time, like DaVinci. I stop when I feel that it's done, that's my style, and I'm always loose, which is what makes it unique.


And realize that I'm no professional either. I do what I'm capable to do.

You misunderstood, its obvious that its hand drawn. What I was trying to say is that if you need a reference but also want to create somrthing y
unique then you can do a simple model in digital and hand draw that reference on paper.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I don't how to make a digital model. :/

I meant that my drawing style is unique.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 04 août 2011 - 02:37 .

[Lee337]

I'll message you later with instructions how. It's easy. Unless theres a lot of people who want to try this and I'll post it here instead?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

What I want to do is draw Yvonne's face form one of her photos say this:



THEN, tweak the hair and change the body position and outfit. And hair color. Then there you have it.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 04 août 2011 - 02:42 .

[jtav]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

jtav wrote...

In the game, Vertigo. Shouldn't have to headcanon so much that it ceases to be recognizable. I can post what I would have done if it were me, if anyone's interested.

Yeah, I edited it once I realised you mean that.
And yes please on the last part of your post!

Sorry, I was eating.

Anyway, first I would cut down on the number of romances so they could be longer. Then, I'd play up the fact that good people died on Lazarus. Miranda is skeptical any one person is worth that and makes clear she intends to see Cerberus interests looked after. Include appropriate on-nission arguments. Then she needs your help w/ Oriana. Crap. And yet, you help her despite the occasional friction. I'd really play up bith of you coming to a mitual respect for the other's way of doing things. Attraction blossoms but she's adamant now isn't the time. Shepard reluctantly agrees it can wait. Then the crew is kidnapped and Miranda decides she doesn't want to wait after all.

[LuxDragon]

Drawing doesn't have to be perfect, especially if you're practicing. Simple can be alright too.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Lol I'm not doing an anime type look. I have to find a photo of Yvonne. And tweak her to Miri. While drawing her on paper.
Well, in this case a poster board.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 04 août 2011 - 03:01 .

[MisterJB]

ME2 introduced the Paragon/Renegade interrutps. Now, it's time to to take it a step further. ME3 will have Romance Interrupts.
Results would vary, of course, as evidenced by the pic above.

Modifié par MisterJB, 04 août 2011 - 03:20 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

YES! We MUST!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 04 août 2011 - 03:06 .

[MisterJB]

Nah, just kidding, ofc. The interrupts we have already serve that purpose, anyway.

Modifié par MisterJB, 04 août 2011 - 03:07 .

[DCWalkman]

MisterJB wrote...

ME2 introduced the Paragon/Renegade interrutps. Now, it's time to to take it a step further. ME3 will have Romance Interrupts.
Results would vary, of course, as evidenced by the pic above.

Nice Idea!!

[Arijharn]

You mean something like:

"Commander; I j-"
*Shephard Renegade interrupts Miranda by picking her up and carrying her to the bed*
?

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...
Then the crew is kidnapped and Miranda decides she doesn't want to wait after all.

Could definitively get behind this idea.
But then again, anything is better than "Shouldn have known you wouldn't settle for the captain's quarters."
A...more confortable place? We have come up with a reasonable reason for Miranda choosing the Engine room but Shepard didn't.

Arijharn wrote...

You mean something like:

"Commander; I j-"
*Shephard Renegade interrupts Miranda by picking her up and carrying her to the bed*
?

That's too soft for Renegade Shepard. I'm thinking something like:
"Jacob: Commander, we must send someone into the shaft.
Shepard: Before I send someone into the shaft, I must first send the shaft into someone."

And only then does he pick her up.
Or heck, Paragons kiss, Renegades slap butts.

Modifié par MisterJB, 04 août 2011 - 03:37 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

It's going to be hard to draw Miri in the way I want to. Especially the hair detail. I haven't been actually draw hardcore (like my Yvonne Picture) for a couple of months.

Draw Yvonne's face form one of her photos. Then, tweak the hair and change the body position and outfit and hair color. So much pressure, but I want to do it.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 04 août 2011 - 03:56 .

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...
Sorry, I was eating.

Anyway, first I would cut down on the number of romances so they could be longer. Then, I'd play up the fact that good people died on Lazarus. Miranda is skeptical any one person is worth that and makes clear she intends to see Cerberus interests looked after. Include appropriate on-nission arguments. Then she needs your help w/ Oriana. Crap. And yet, you help her despite the occasional friction. I'd really play up bith of you coming to a mitual respect for the other's way of doing things. Attraction blossoms but she's adamant now isn't the time. Shepard reluctantly agrees it can wait. Then the crew is kidnapped and Miranda decides she doesn't want to wait after all.

No worries.

Anyway:
It's nice; I'd have liked it if the rejection scene before the SM was worked in there too but otherwise it's fine.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 04 août 2011 - 04:02 .

[LuxDragon]

I like this one as an interrupt then. I don't care who doe it though. Shep, Miranda, does it matter?

Modifié par LuxDragon, 04 août 2011 - 04:55 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Oh I prefer Miri grabbing me in her clutches like that ANY day!!!! O_O........<3

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 04 août 2011 - 04:58 .

[Ieldra]

Arijharn wrote...
While I realise I may be a bit late to the argument (damn sleep!) -- I'm completely and utterly (italics for emphasis!) against the whole idea of Shephard being resurrected with Reaper technology for one simple reason imo; why can't it be simple human ingenuity and endeavour that allowed them to progress? Why must it be an 'outside,' even potentially hostile influence that allowed it to happen. I think making Shephard be brought back to life with Reaper technology actually cheapens the idea of what the Lazarus project was able to do, because it becomes less about 'science' and more 'black box sorcery' as soon as you throw "Reapers did it" into the equation; making it the Mass Effect's universe equivalent of the 'devil made me do it.'

I agree 100%.

I want this to be a human achievement, and while I wouldn't mind other species helping out with some background knowledge, it should not be the result of something handed down from techno-gods with superscience. And I want it to remain untainted by any hint of a "devil's bargain", implying in some way that it shouldn't have been done. That's the same kind of thinking I see lurking behind giving Miranda the infertility, and that I hate with a passion.

Yeah, just as you, I'm completely and utterly against the idea of the Lazarus project having used Reaper technology, just as I'm completely against Miranda's infertility negating the fact that her genetic enhancement are, as such and without the problems in her upbringing attached, desirable.  

Edit:
BTW, I don't like the style of the pictures posted on this page (apart from the Strahovski photo). There needs be something different...

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 août 2011 - 07:40 .

[Sebby]

Arijharn wrote...

While I realise I may be a bit late to the argument (damn sleep!) -- I'm completely and utterly (italics for emphasis!) against the whole idea of Shephard being resurrected with Reaper technology for one simple reason imo; why can't it be simple human ingenuity and endeavour that allowed them to progress? Why must it be an 'outside,' even potentially hostile influence that allowed it to happen. I think making Shephard be brought back to life with Reaper technology actually cheapens the idea of what the Lazarus project was able to do, because it becomes less about 'science' and more 'black box sorcery' as soon as you throw "Reapers did it" into the equation; making it the Mass Effect's universe equivalent of the 'devil made me do it.'

It's simple, Shepard is the biggest loose end for any Mass Effect MMO or spin off and needs to be "dealt with". Him/her succumbing to Reaper tech due to Lazarus is a great way of doing it.

[Ieldra]

Seboist wrote...
It's simple, Shepard is the biggest loose end for any Mass Effect MMO or spin off and needs to be "dealt with". Him/her succumbing to Reaper tech due to Lazarus is a great way of doing it.

Let me predict there won't be a Mass Effect MMO set in the century after the Reaper war, for the reason that any political/technological scneario they used would have to be based on a certain set of players' choices. The inevitable result is that the scenario will annoy more fans than it will please.

Also this would deprive many players of their happy endings. Shepard would be forcibly turned into Thane. No, that wouldn't be great at all, but hugely annoying. I want to be able to imagine a long life for my Shepard (and with Miranda should that apply) without being contradicted by canon.

If they make an ME MMO, it's best to start around 2170. There will only be a problem if it lasts 15 years. Heh, I knew the compressed timeline would bite them in the butt at some time.... 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 août 2011 - 08:21 .

[Arijharn]

Seboist wrote...

It's simple, Shepard is the biggest loose end for any Mass Effect MMO or spin off and needs to be "dealt with". Him/her succumbing to Reaper tech due to Lazarus is a great way of doing it.

But how does Shephard's rebirth factor into any 'dealt with' spin? I mean, at that point Shephard is actually pretty inconsequential, because the things he or she set in motion have been set in motion. Choosing to destroy our champion after that is kinda minor, as easy to get around as just a generic statement like: "Shephard? He's on assignment!"

Or an epic boss fight with our hero in which every opponent of his just completely and utterly die automatically (I mean, seriously he can defeat giant sentient machines in combat, what f*cking hope do you have? ). I mean, how do you balance 'badass'?

Modifié par Arijharn, 04 août 2011 - 08:32 .

[ParadoxAu]

Arijharn wrote...
While I realise I may be a bit late to the argument (damn sleep!) -- I'm completely and utterly (italics for emphasis!) against the whole idea of Shephard being resurrected with Reaper technology for one simple reason imo; why can't it be simple human ingenuity and endeavour that allowed them to progress? Why must it be an 'outside,' even potentially hostile influence that allowed it to happen. I think making Shephard be brought back to life with Reaper technology actually cheapens the idea of what the Lazarus project was able to do, because it becomes less about 'science' and more 'black box sorcery' as soon as you throw "Reapers did it" into the equation; making it the Mass Effect's universe equivalent of the 'devil made me do it.'

I agree mostly.

I think it would be absolutely appalling, If Cerberus used Reaper Tech to bring Shepard back. It would be even worse if that Reaper Tech was the primary downfall of the Reapers. The Lazerus Project should stand as a scientific advancement in it's own right, uninfluenced by the Reapers.

Nightmare Scenarios

• You were augmented with Reaper Tech in the Lazerus Project, and it indoctrinates shepard and ultimately leads to the Reapers Victory unless you find a way to reverse the indoctrination.
• You were augmented with Reaper Tech in the Lazerus Project... and You use it against Harbinger akin to Neo versus Smith in the Matrix.

Thankfully, I don't think Bioware would write such an atrocious plot twist.

[Jebel Krong]

using reaper tech does not make it any less of an achievement - merely understanding and utilising (& retro-engineering) such advanced technology would be an almost-miraculous feat in itself, it just puts things in a different context. however i would also prefer a 'vanilla' lazarus approach as well - it eliminates a lot of possible cheap plotlines.

[ParadoxAu]

Ieldra2 wrote...
If they make an ME MMO, it's best to start around 2170. There will only be a problem if it lasts 15 years. Heh, I knew the compressed timeline would bite them in the butt at some time.... 

Damn Straight, Bioware have made it quite difficult for themselves with that timeline.

Whilst I would love a persistant Mass Effect Universe, I don't want any MMO for Mass Effect to be created until Developers learn that you're able to introduce persistant world elements without abolishing gameplay.