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[lillitheris]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

True, but government isn't portrayed as evil or Orwellian in ME

They are portrayed as incompotent. And quite a bit of the time they are.

The Council is responsible for quite a lot of death once you think about it. After Shepard died they dismissed everything he said. Had they paid him heed they could have used those two years to begin preparations.

It’s heavily implied that there’s something about the Citadel that causes inaction.

[David7204]

That's pretty much what democracy is built on.

[Taboo]

lillitheris wrote...

It’s heavily implied that there’s something about the Citadel that causes inaction.

Implied where?

I don't think our "Mutual Fiend" on the Citadel is Indoctrinating anyone if that's what you're implying.

[lillitheris]

MisterJB wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Meanwhile, Ozymandias, the man who believed the ends justified the means, created World Peace. Granted, he killed hundreds of thousands of people to achieve this but still...World Peace.

Except, you know, the heavily implied part where he failed to do so.

The comic leaves to the reader's imagination whether or not Roscharch's journal was published.
I like to think Ozymandias suceeded.

Of course you would, because it supports the idea of ends justifying the means.

The reality is that questionable means are rarely justified by the ends, and more importantly, you extremely rarely actually achieve the end with the questionable means, leaving you with nothing but s—

[Taboo]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Can "it" even do that?

I don't know. I'd like to think that the Reapers are not aware of the Catalyst's presence which is why they maintain their level of importance (to themselves). But subconsciously they have been programmed to do so by the Catalyst. They believe they are eternal and infinite.

They are a solution to a hypothetical problem created by hubris laden organics.

What this boils down to is people not taking responsibility for their creations.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 07 septembre 2012 - 03:41 .

[lillitheris]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

At least the economy wasn't in the ****ter with Regan at the helm...

It was, actually.

[LanceSolous13]

Well, I just finished Leviathan, finally...

WTF happened to Bryson? She was never mentioned again...

[David7204]

She's dead or working on the Crucible...?

[lillitheris]

Taboo-XX wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

It’s heavily implied that there’s something about the Citadel that causes inaction.

Implied where?

To borrow a tactic: listen and observe on the Citadel. You’ll see.

I don't think our "Mutual Fiend" on the Citadel is Indoctrinating anyone if that's what you're implying.

No, indoctrination would be too obvious.

[hot_heart]

Ieldra2 wrote...
The thing is, her line has absolutely nothing to do with appreciating people. It's based on notions of sanctity.

As for the mechanical role, yeah, that's why I say we get two different Mirandas, she just echoes Shepard here.

Well, that's just it. It does. She doesn't feel right treating the death of thousands of humans as if it were nothing. It's a shift from focusing on the work and completing the mission, to considering just how far you'll go to accomplish that. And it feeds directly into the bit after where she's ordered to stop Shepard. It's a pretty common story arc and I can see that as BioWare's authorial intent (and part of what might appeal to an actor agreeing to 'star' in the game. They do love their arcs.)

But like I said, I'm fine with others holding different interpretations. I don't feel it's out-of-character, but I can appreciate why others might.

Modifié par hot_heart, 07 septembre 2012 - 03:49 .

[Taboo]

lillitheris wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

It’s heavily implied that there’s something about the Citadel that causes inaction.

Implied where?

To borrow a tactic: listen and observe on the Citadel. You’ll see.

I don't think our "Mutual Fiend" on the Citadel is Indoctrinating anyone if that's what you're implying.

No, indoctrination would be too obvious.

Okay then. I shall do so. I love these kinds of things.

Unless I've already answered my own question in my head.

Isn't this fun?

[LanceSolous13]

Where does it say she's dead? : / She was moving when Vega carried her out.

[Taboo]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Okay then. I shall do so. I love these kinds of things.

Unless I've already answered my own question in my head.

Isn't this fun?

I bet it's like this. It eventually drives everyone on the Citadel bat-**** crazy.

シルエットと影 の革命 な手順 はありませんゲームの天に見!

[Taboo]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

I DUN TALK THAT

私は実際に私 の状況を理解していない」とし、 ゲームのイベントから退屈させてい!

[Taboo]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

I DUN TALK THAT

私は実際に私 の状況を理解していない」とし、 ゲームのイベントから退屈させてい!

私は私は認識することができない、または日本語を話すと話したとのことだが、嘘です!

Why are you using that dialect? Shouldn't you use something more recognizable?

[Ieldra]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

David7204 wrote...

It's interesting. Mass Effect has a lot of somewhat anti-democratic themes, albeit light ones. One person in charge, one person making the difference. The Spectres. The Council. Cerberus. The turian government.

In the end, it all speaks against such things though: Many misuse the authority of the Spectres, the Council is generally portrayed as stupid, Cerberus is evil and fails after all... the main theme of Mass Effect is clearly "unity with diversity"

Well, that's until you forcibly synthesize the galaxy's DNA, the preferred ending of the creators of the game and their five minutes remaining in the game antagonist.

Diversity dies forever. PEACE AND LOVE

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For the 100000the time: if you replace DNA with something else, diversity will be affected.....not at all. All life is based on DNA. Are we all the same?

And can we leave off with the Synthesis-bashing? I get enough of that in other threads.

[Dragon_Claw]

Taboo-XX wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

I DUN TALK THAT

私は実際に私 の状況を理解していない」とし、 ゲームのイベントから退屈させてい!

私は私は認識することができない、または日本語を話すと話したとのことだが、嘘です!

Why are you using that dialect? Shouldn't you use something more recognizable?

Jeg og Miri fatter heller ikke et ord...



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Modifié par Dragon_Claw, 07 septembre 2012 - 04:11 .

[Taboo]

Dragon_Claw wrote...

Jeg og Miri fatter heller ikke et ord...

I'm pretty sure Miranda doing that would be OOC. 

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